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Post by pinkbeaver on Oct 29, 2019 13:16:27 GMT -4
I think this is a somewhat unfair thread in my opinion. This is still a young team, and they have been without their top forward. They have lost some tough games against teams that were expected to beat them.
They have a big road trip coming up where they are away for 9 days. I think that road trip will be telling as to what to expect for the rest of the season.
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Oct 29, 2019 13:17:58 GMT -4
Possible coaches available: Craig McTavish Darren Rumble Paul Boutilier Arno del Curto Jim Midgeley (in Europe but would jump at a chance to come home) We could always keep Jeff Cowan on as an assistant, then hire Chris Chelios and Dave Manson as well. Would fix the lack of a true defenseman to coach the defense, and give us one hell of a tough coaching staff. A Memorial Cup brawl versus the London Knights would suddenly be awesome as our coaches took on the Hunters and Basil MacRae lol. |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Oct 29, 2019 13:19:12 GMT -4
I think this is a somewhat unfair thread in my opinion. This is still a young team, and they have been without their top forward. They have lost some tough games against teams that were expected to beat them. They have a big road trip coming up where they are away for 9 days. I think that road trip will be telling as to what to expect for the rest of the season. Umm....Guay is the top forward on this team, not Cajkovic. No offense to you or Cajkovic. |
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Post by pinkbeaver on Oct 29, 2019 15:02:54 GMT -4
I think this is a somewhat unfair thread in my opinion. This is still a young team, and they have been without their top forward. They have lost some tough games against teams that were expected to beat them. They have a big road trip coming up where they are away for 9 days. I think that road trip will be telling as to what to expect for the rest of the season. Umm....Guay is the top forward on this team, not Cajkovic. No offense to you or Cajkovic. You say that like it's super clear... Cajkovic is clearly a little more dynamic offensively. I'd argue Deakin-Poot has been the most productive so far. That wasn't the point I was trying to make though. Just that they were missing a key player. |
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Post by thekid on Oct 29, 2019 15:25:48 GMT -4
Possible coaches available: Craig McTavish Darren Rumble Paul Boutilier Arno del Curto Jim Midgeley (in Europe but would jump at a chance to come home) We could always keep Jeff Cowan on as an assistant, then hire Chris Chelios and Dave Manson as well. Would fix the lack of a true defenseman to coach the defense, and give us one hell of a tough coaching staff. A Memorial Cup brawl versus the London Knights would suddenly be awesome as our coaches took on the Hunters and Basil MacRae lol. lol love it let’s do it |
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Post by j3e4 on Oct 29, 2019 17:13:29 GMT -4
If we officially find ourselves in the market for a coach and Paul Boutilier is available, he'd be my pick.
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Post by yoyomamajoe on Oct 29, 2019 17:16:25 GMT -4
Umm....Guay is the top forward on this team, not Cajkovic. No offense to you or Cajkovic. You say that like it's super clear... Cajkovic is clearly a little more dynamic offensively. I'd argue Deakin-Poot has been the most productive so far. That wasn't the point I was trying to make though. Just that they were missing a key player. How long can you use the excuse that it is a young team. At a certain point you need to see the (top) players develop and that is what is missing on this team. Same as last year. The development is just not there and that is what concerns people. |
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Post by gdg25 on Oct 29, 2019 18:41:38 GMT -4
Couple takes on all comments, yes we got blown out twice , but lost a couple heart breakers , our team is very young so there fore very inconsistent. But to say Dixon is the whole problem is not far to him. I mean if you look at stats and realize that not everyone is going to score 50 goals 100 points. Brady burns at 17 is a ppg player Jeremie Poirier same. DesRoches Villeneuve all are right there. Stairs,Lawrence, Roy are all averaging a point ever second game , trust the process. I agree Dixon needs to go but wait until the end of the year. No point in paying 2 coaches . Make a big splash in the off season bringing a guy in.
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Post by berner on Oct 29, 2019 18:44:00 GMT -4
You say that like it's super clear... Cajkovic is clearly a little more dynamic offensively. I'd argue Deakin-Poot has been the most productive so far. That wasn't the point I was trying to make though. Just that they were missing a key player. How long can you use the excuse that it is a young team. At a certain point you need to see the (top) players develop and that is what is missing on this team. Same as last year. The development is just not there and that is what concerns people. 5 of our regular forwards are 17 and under. Our top 6 D is an 18 and 5-17s. I’d say that still qualifies as a young team. Not making excuses, I also think they are under developed, but by Q standards this is definitely a young team. |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Oct 29, 2019 19:39:01 GMT -4
You say that like it's super clear... Cajkovic is clearly a little more dynamic offensively. I'd argue Deakin-Poot has been the most productive so far. That wasn't the point I was trying to make though. Just that they were missing a key player. How long can you use the excuse that it is a young team. At a certain point you need to see the (top) players develop and that is what is missing on this team. Same as last year. The development is just not there and that is what concerns people. I agree it is concerning, but it is also a mixed bag. I think guys like Burns and certainly Poirier have developed rather nicely. Then you have guys like Lawrence, C. DesRoches and to me especially Villeneuve, that haven't trended upward in their development as much as one would have expected. For a franchise that loves to load up and then scorched earth rebuild with their players, they sure seem hesitant to do so with their coaches. I think the time to do that is asap, but the right coaches have to be available. Are they out there right now? If so, get them in here. If not, don't go making a change for the sake of change or a marginal short term upgrade. |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Oct 29, 2019 19:50:58 GMT -4
Umm....Guay is the top forward on this team, not Cajkovic. No offense to you or Cajkovic. You say that like it's super clear... Cajkovic is clearly a little more dynamic offensively. I'd argue Deakin-Poot has been the most productive so far. That wasn't the point I was trying to make though. Just that they were missing a key player. Sorry I missed your point. The fact that you said "they have been without their top forward" made me think you were saying.....they were without their top forward. To me it's not close. Guay hasn't been an offensive machine here in SJ, but he is still tied for first in points on this team and is playing a solid two way game, and brings all the leadership anyone could ask for. . You can't say Cajkovic is better based off his whopping two games and 1 shift this year. You can't say he is better based off last year either, where Guay captained a loaded Drummondville team and put up 40 goals and 87 points. Deakin-Poot has been great thus far but unless he is pulling a Danick Gauthier here, it's a hot start and he will cool off. Guay is a proven point per game plus performer that brings all the intangibles as well. |
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Post by pinkbeaver on Oct 30, 2019 9:41:41 GMT -4
You say that like it's super clear... Cajkovic is clearly a little more dynamic offensively. I'd argue Deakin-Poot has been the most productive so far. That wasn't the point I was trying to make though. Just that they were missing a key player. 1. Sorry I missed your point. The fact that you said "they have been without their top forward" made me think you were saying.....they were without their top forward. 2. To me it's not close. Guay hasn't been an offensive machine here in SJ, but he is still tied for first in points on this team and is playing a solid two way game, and brings all the leadership anyone could ask for. 3. You can't say Cajkovic is better based off his whopping two games and 1 shift this year. 4. You can't say he is better based off last year either, where Guay captained a loaded Drummondville team and put up 40 goals and 87 points. Deakin-Poot has been great thus far but unless he is pulling a Danick Gauthier here, it's a hot start and he will cool off. Guay is a proven point per game plus performer that brings all the intangibles as well. 1. I stated my point above. I said "their top forward". Maybe I was wrong to say that. My point was that's a big loss to the team and I think you know that. 2. Don't disagree with any of that. He is a team leading -14 who has generated most of his points on the PP. 3. Can't conclude that he isn't either  4. agreed. Apples to Oranges comparison statistically though. can't evaluate on stats. Overall, I just think this team isn't as far off expectation as some posters think. If they hold onto a couple leads then they are a .500 team at this point. I think the 2014-2015 Saint John team is a good benchmark. Same point in the cycle. The players on that roster are putting up very similar stats as this one. One of the major differences is the division wasn't nearly as strong that year. |
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Post by Slap Shooter on Oct 30, 2019 12:37:09 GMT -4
Just my two cents but something needs to be done. Whether it’s bringing in a different coaching staff or using a couple of our draft picks to bring in a couple of good older players that will be around for a couple of seasons.
I think we need this for few reasons.
1. Stop the losing mentality within the team
2. Putting more asses in the seats
3. Help with Development.
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Post by redwingjoe on Oct 30, 2019 12:44:50 GMT -4
This looks exactly like our last cycle team pre Danny Flynn. Sure looking a lot like Ross Yates 2.0
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Post by berner on Oct 30, 2019 16:35:38 GMT -4
1. Sorry I missed your point. The fact that you said "they have been without their top forward" made me think you were saying.....they were without their top forward. 2. To me it's not close. Guay hasn't been an offensive machine here in SJ, but he is still tied for first in points on this team and is playing a solid two way game, and brings all the leadership anyone could ask for. 3. You can't say Cajkovic is better based off his whopping two games and 1 shift this year. 4. You can't say he is better based off last year either, where Guay captained a loaded Drummondville team and put up 40 goals and 87 points. Deakin-Poot has been great thus far but unless he is pulling a Danick Gauthier here, it's a hot start and he will cool off. Guay is a proven point per game plus performer that brings all the intangibles as well. 1. I stated my point above. I said "their top forward". Maybe I was wrong to say that. My point was that's a big loss to the team and I think you know that. 2. Don't disagree with any of that. He is a team leading -14 who has generated most of his points on the PP. 3. Can't conclude that he isn't either 4. agreed. Apples to Oranges comparison statistically though. can't evaluate on stats. Overall, I just think this team isn't as far off expectation as some posters think. If they hold onto a couple leads then they are a .500 team at this point. I think the 2014-2015 Saint John team is a good benchmark. Same point in the cycle. The players on that roster are putting up very similar stats as this one. One of the major differences is the division wasn't nearly as strong that year. The Seadogs as a team have a goal differential of -25. In light of that, I’m not surprised to see Guay at -14 seeing as he’s on the ice in every situation, for about 55-60 minutes per game (or so it seems!). The guy is an absolute workhorse. |
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