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Post by Jacques Strap on Nov 8, 2019 10:55:28 GMT -4
I think Groulx brings what the Cats like...but Lavoie on Khovanovs wing with Pelletier is a hell of a fit... And i really hate having 3 lefties on the same line when there are Lavoie quality rw available. Pelletier Khovanov Lavoie Fortier Cyr Mckenna Element Groulx Hudson King Stewart Foreman Aspirot Spence Andersson Macisaac Stewart Dejong Rodrigue Lund-Cornish. Thats 6 acquisitions + Aspirot returning...so lets call this a pipe-dream... That would likely guarantee a cup...but also a 5 year rebuild. So what would u think Moncton would give up for Groulx, Lavoie and MacIsaac? What do u believe is fair? |
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Post by Doug Glatt on Nov 8, 2019 11:05:56 GMT -4
I don't think his surgery will factor into their decision to acquire McIsaac. They only realistically need him for the playoffs and by then this surgery will be an afterthought. The cost is what would deter them. If by some miracle Aspirot gets sent down, then McIsaac becomes that much more desirable to the Cats. They would want to have the best top 4 possible and with McIsaac, Andersson, Spence & Aspirot that would be lethal. 2 top pairings, so not much minutes left for a weaker 3rd pair. Add an Element to this team as well and we are favorites for a trip to the memorial cup. Cost would most definitely be high, but worth it. I think if Aspirot was to get sent back it means they don't HAVE to add a McIsaac. If he doesn't, then they need a top pair D in order to compete for a title. I look at it like 2006. The Cats had an incredible D already with Yandle, MacDonald, Bartulis, Welton & Belanger. They added Bourdon to an already stacked D-core. They were first in the Q standings at the time and were guaranteed a spot in the MC. They had the best GA in the league before & after the deadline. The Bourdon trade IMO was overkill. But to keep him from going to another team they traded for him. Their position of strength that year was their D-core, but they added the top D in the Q to it. When certain players get returned to a Q-team, oftentimes the reaction is to buy bigger. Think Riopel when he was returned in 2009-2010. The Cats went on a shopping spree. Gabriel Bourque, Nicolas Dechamps, Kelsey Tessier, Alex Wall, and Alex MacDonald were all added AFTER Riopel was returned. If Aspirot returns, I think it will trigger the Cats to buy even more top end talent. It lends to the theory that they don't want to waste the opportunity that they have been given by having these players returned and not strengthen their roster around them. I may be wrong, but if history is any indicator then I think they add more with Aspirot arriving... |
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Post by bois on Nov 8, 2019 11:12:54 GMT -4
I think if Aspirot was to get sent back it means they don't HAVE to add a McIsaac. If he doesn't, then they need a top pair D in order to compete for a title. I look at it like 2006. The Cats had an incredible D already with Yandle, MacDonald, Bartulis, Welton & Belanger. They added Bourdon to an already stacked D-core. They were first in the Q standings at the time and were guaranteed a spot in the MC. They had the best GA in the league before & after the deadline. The Bourdon trade IMO was overkill. But to keep him from going to another team they traded for him. Their position of strength that year was their D-core, but they added the top D in the Q to it. When certain players get returned to a Q-team, oftentimes the reaction is to buy bigger. Think Riopel when he was returned in 2009-2010. The Cats went on a shopping spree. Gabriel Bourque, Nicolas Dechamps, Kelsey Tessier, Alex Wall, and Alex MacDonald were all added AFTER Riopel was returned. If Aspirot returns, I think it will trigger the Cats to buy even more top end talent. It lends to the theory that they don't want to waste the opportunity that they have been given by having these players returned and not strengthen their roster around them. I may be wrong, but if history is any indicator then I think they add more with Aspirot arriving... i agree but i don't think you have enough icetime to go around to add a MacIsaac or Dobson to a D corps that would include Aspirot, Spence, Andersson and one of those guys... so you go add a solid vet or two but not necessarily a top 2 guy..... someone like an Xavier Bernard as an example..... and add up front as well.... getting Aspirot back would allow you to probably target any forward available for trade and outbid everyone in the process as Aspirot means you dont have to blow your wad on the top available D on the market |
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Post by Doug Glatt on Nov 8, 2019 11:18:07 GMT -4
That would likely guarantee a cup...but also a 5 year rebuild. So what would u think Moncton would give up for Groulx, Lavoie and MacIsaac? What do u believe is fair? I don't think Moncton would be willing to unload what they would have to in order to get all three of those guys. It would start with L'Heureux and so much more that Moncton wouldn't even ask. Every GM in the league would want L'Heureux. If I'm Halifax I want L'Heureux, Desnoyers, Lavallee and picks.... 2 first line guys and a stud D wouldn't come cheap, so I can see them only trying to acquire 1 of them with a future (Desnoyers or Spence) and picks/prospects, not including L'Heureux. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 8, 2019 11:20:49 GMT -4
I think if Aspirot was to get sent back it means they don't HAVE to add a McIsaac. If he doesn't, then they need a top pair D in order to compete for a title. I look at it like 2006. The Cats had an incredible D already with Yandle, MacDonald, Bartulis, Welton & Belanger. They added Bourdon to an already stacked D-core. They were first in the Q standings at the time and were guaranteed a spot in the MC. They had the best GA in the league before & after the deadline. The Bourdon trade IMO was overkill. But to keep him from going to another team they traded for him. Their position of strength that year was their D-core, but they added the top D in the Q to it. When certain players get returned to a Q-team, oftentimes the reaction is to buy bigger. Think Riopel when he was returned in 2009-2010. The Cats went on a shopping spree. Gabriel Bourque, Nicolas Dechamps, Kelsey Tessier, Alex Wall, and Alex MacDonald were all added AFTER Riopel was returned. If Aspirot returns, I think it will trigger the Cats to buy even more top end talent. It lends to the theory that they don't want to waste the opportunity that they have been given by having these players returned and not strengthen their roster around them. I may be wrong, but if history is any indicator then I think they add more with Aspirot arriving... No disrespect to Bourdon, but they probably should have used those assets on a center instead. Having a 17 year old Chabot as #2 center was less than ideal. they did win a Championship and would have also won the MC if not for Cedrick the Entertainer playing over his head. |
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Post by Marco52 on Nov 8, 2019 11:24:33 GMT -4
Moncton are going after Element, but Element is also a target for Rimouski.
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Post by Doug Glatt on Nov 8, 2019 11:29:11 GMT -4
I look at it like 2006. The Cats had an incredible D already with Yandle, MacDonald, Bartulis, Welton & Belanger. They added Bourdon to an already stacked D-core. They were first in the Q standings at the time and were guaranteed a spot in the MC. They had the best GA in the league before & after the deadline. The Bourdon trade IMO was overkill. But to keep him from going to another team they traded for him. Their position of strength that year was their D-core, but they added the top D in the Q to it. When certain players get returned to a Q-team, oftentimes the reaction is to buy bigger. Think Riopel when he was returned in 2009-2010. The Cats went on a shopping spree. Gabriel Bourque, Nicolas Dechamps, Kelsey Tessier, Alex Wall, and Alex MacDonald were all added AFTER Riopel was returned. If Aspirot returns, I think it will trigger the Cats to buy even more top end talent. It lends to the theory that they don't want to waste the opportunity that they have been given by having these players returned and not strengthen their roster around them. I may be wrong, but if history is any indicator then I think they add more with Aspirot arriving... i agree but i don't think you have enough icetime to go around to add a MacIsaac or Dobson to a D corps that would include Aspirot, Spence, Andersson and one of those guys... so you go add a solid vet or two but not necessarily a top 2 guy..... someone like an Xavier Bernard as an example..... and add up front as well.... getting Aspirot back would allow you to probably target any forward available for trade and outbid everyone in the process as Aspirot means you dont have to blow your wad on the top available D on the market The ice-time would only be spread between the top 4. Andersson & McIsaac + Spence & Aspirot. It's easier to overspend on D than forwards, because 1 injury can derail a defence core, more than a forward on the top 2 lines can. I agree that when Halifax had a stacked offence in 2007-2008, and added Brad Marchand it was strengthening a forward crop that was ridiculously talented already and they never addressed their shortcomings on D. Moncton is in a similar position....they are stacked on offence and lack Defence. Adding Aspirot would be great, but he would cost nothing. Defence wins championships and having a top 4 like the one they could have if everything falls into place, then that's how I'd personally like them to go. Dejong and Huntley become the 5-6 and can move up comfortably in case of injury. Like I said I may be off the wall on this but I'd rather 2 stud D over 1 stud D and 1 FW considering the way the Cats roster looks. Adding some grit or sandpaper (Element) would be more beneficial IMO and spend on a D. Especially when 1 of the stud D if they end up coming back would be free. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 8, 2019 11:29:18 GMT -4
So what would u think Moncton would give up for Groulx, Lavoie and MacIsaac? What do u believe is fair? I don't think Moncton would be willing to unload what they would have to in order to get all three of those guys. It would start with L'Heureux and so much more that Moncton wouldn't even ask. Every GM in the league would want L'Heureux. If I'm Halifax I want L'Heureux, Desnoyers, Lavallee and picks.... 2 first line guys and a stud D wouldn't come cheap, so I can see them only trying to acquire 1 of them with a future (Desnoyers or Spence) and picks/prospects, not including L'Heureux. Yeah exactly. I can't see them moving ALL of these assets... L'heureux, CAL, Desnoyers, Hebert, 2021 1st, Pelletier(futures), Spence(futures). probably 3 or 4 of them. Here are the "trading chips": -L’heureux(now or as futures)(likely untouchable) -Pelletier as futures -Desnoyers(now) -Lavallee(now) -Spence as futures -2021 1st rounder(Mon) -Hebert(2003) -Parent(2002) -2020 2nd(Cha) -2020 2nd(Mon) -Langlois(2002) -Pavan(2003) -2020 3rd(Bat) -LeBlanc(2003) -Pilotte(2003) -Desrosiers(2003) -2021 2nd(Mon) or 2020 3rd(Mon) -Hudson as futures |
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Post by Doug Glatt on Nov 8, 2019 11:30:21 GMT -4
I look at it like 2006. The Cats had an incredible D already with Yandle, MacDonald, Bartulis, Welton & Belanger. They added Bourdon to an already stacked D-core. They were first in the Q standings at the time and were guaranteed a spot in the MC. They had the best GA in the league before & after the deadline. The Bourdon trade IMO was overkill. But to keep him from going to another team they traded for him. Their position of strength that year was their D-core, but they added the top D in the Q to it. When certain players get returned to a Q-team, oftentimes the reaction is to buy bigger. Think Riopel when he was returned in 2009-2010. The Cats went on a shopping spree. Gabriel Bourque, Nicolas Dechamps, Kelsey Tessier, Alex Wall, and Alex MacDonald were all added AFTER Riopel was returned. If Aspirot returns, I think it will trigger the Cats to buy even more top end talent. It lends to the theory that they don't want to waste the opportunity that they have been given by having these players returned and not strengthen their roster around them. I may be wrong, but if history is any indicator then I think they add more with Aspirot arriving... No disrespect to Bourdon, but they probably should have used those assets on a center instead. Having a 17 year old Chabot as #2 center was less than ideal. they did win a Championship and would have also won the MC if not for Cedrick the Entertainer playing over his head. Completely agree! I felt the same way the moment the trade was announced. |
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Post by bois on Nov 8, 2019 11:40:24 GMT -4
i agree but i don't think you have enough icetime to go around to add a MacIsaac or Dobson to a D corps that would include Aspirot, Spence, Andersson and one of those guys... so you go add a solid vet or two but not necessarily a top 2 guy..... someone like an Xavier Bernard as an example..... and add up front as well.... getting Aspirot back would allow you to probably target any forward available for trade and outbid everyone in the process as Aspirot means you dont have to blow your wad on the top available D on the market The ice-time would only be spread between the top 4. Andersson & McIsaac + Spence & Aspirot. It's easier to overspend on D than forwards, because 1 injury can derail a defence core, more than a forward on the top 2 lines can. I agree that when Halifax had a stacked offence in 2007-2008, and added Brad Marchand it was strengthening a forward crop that was ridiculously talented already and they never addressed their shortcomings on D. Moncton is in a similar position....they are stacked on offence and lack Defence. Adding Aspirot would be great, but he would cost nothing. Defence wins championships and having a top 4 like the one they could have if everything falls into place, then that's how I'd personally like them to go. Dejong and Huntley become the 5-6 and can move up comfortably in case of injury. Like I said I may be off the wall on this but I'd rather 2 stud D over 1 stud D and 1 FW considering the way the Cats roster looks. Adding some grit or sandpaper (Element) would be more beneficial IMO and spend on a D. Especially when 1 of the stud D if they end up coming back would be free. If Aspirot comes back Huntley is gone..... unless you are advocating dropping Cyr to have a 20 year old third pairing D |
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Post by Doug Glatt on Nov 8, 2019 11:51:51 GMT -4
The ice-time would only be spread between the top 4. Andersson & McIsaac + Spence & Aspirot. It's easier to overspend on D than forwards, because 1 injury can derail a defence core, more than a forward on the top 2 lines can. I agree that when Halifax had a stacked offence in 2007-2008, and added Brad Marchand it was strengthening a forward crop that was ridiculously talented already and they never addressed their shortcomings on D. Moncton is in a similar position....they are stacked on offence and lack Defence. Adding Aspirot would be great, but he would cost nothing. Defence wins championships and having a top 4 like the one they could have if everything falls into place, then that's how I'd personally like them to go. Dejong and Huntley become the 5-6 and can move up comfortably in case of injury. Like I said I may be off the wall on this but I'd rather 2 stud D over 1 stud D and 1 FW considering the way the Cats roster looks. Adding some grit or sandpaper (Element) would be more beneficial IMO and spend on a D. Especially when 1 of the stud D if they end up coming back would be free. If Aspirot comes back Huntley is gone..... unless you are advocating dropping Cyr to have a 20 year old third pairing D That's true I forgot about Huntley being 20. Thanks. So Huntley would be gone and the 5-6 would be Dejong and Stewart? Unless they get a FA Defenceman. Cyr isn't going anywhere's so it would definitely be Huntley. |
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Post by joehockey on Nov 8, 2019 12:04:21 GMT -4
That would likely guarantee a cup...but also a 5 year rebuild. So what would u think Moncton would give up for Groulx, Lavoie and MacIsaac? What do u believe is fair? I would have no desire to add more than two guys from any team. Bringing in all those guys from Shawinigan in the last real go for it year was rumoured to have started cliques and divided the team. I wouldn’t want to risk that again even if they are all very good players. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 8, 2019 12:08:31 GMT -4
If Aspirot comes back Huntley is gone..... unless you are advocating dropping Cyr to have a 20 year old third pairing D That's true I forgot about Huntley being 20. Thanks. So Huntley would be gone and the 5-6 would be Dejong and Stewart? Unless they get a FA Defenceman. Cyr isn't going anywhere's so it would definitely be Huntley. I doubt you can get a FA that is an upgrade on Dejong or Stewart. If that's your 3rd pair, you have a really strong D. Unless Aspirot comes back, they absolutely need to add a stud d-man that can play a shutdown role. |
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Post by pong on Nov 8, 2019 12:55:49 GMT -4
If Quebec decides Riki is too strong and become a slight seller to retool for next year, who would be worth Pelletier as a future? Just speculating here, but I’m sure they would love to have him in his final year of junior, and I’m sure he’d love to finish his junior career in his hometown
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 8, 2019 14:20:41 GMT -4
If Quebec decides Riki is too strong and become a slight seller to retool for next year, who would be worth Pelletier as a future? Just speculating here, but I’m sure they would love to have him in his final year of junior, and I’m sure he’d love to finish his junior career in his hometown It would have to be an impact F or D that isn't 20. No way would they trade his rights for a depth player. |
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