|
|
Post by lirette on Jun 9, 2020 14:37:01 GMT -4
I agree 100%. I was all for trading L'heureux in Oct/Nov assuming that a guy like that alone would get you AT LEAST half of the cost of Groulx and McIsaac if not more. In hindsight, it appears they only got 1st round value for a guy that was a PPGM player at 16 until he was bumped off the top 6. It's almost like they agreed to the deal before the season even started because the value they got wasn't based on what he developed into by Christmas. Very possible, if you just look at it as A 1st plus a prospect for each player it doesn't sound completely crazy. Although L'Heureux was standing out as the best 16 year old in the league very early so I'd love to know when the deal was struck. At this point the Cats have very little incentive now to bottom out completely for the next 2 seasons. I guess the best thing would be for them to draft 2 solid euro's and finish out of the bottom 5 so those picks don't end up being the lottery picks we are assuming them to be. But hard to imagine after they trade Spence and a few others it doesnt end up that way. |
|
|
|
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 9, 2020 15:03:10 GMT -4
The Giguere deal was for a 2nd and 3rd. the 3rd came back for Campannelli at the draft last year. I agree that the owner makes everything difficult, you would think he could look up the highway in Halifax and see what Russell does with no meddling, or Couturier in Bat or Kelly/Gallant in SJ. This is part of the discussion for sure. Huh? You know you can just check this on the Q site 2018-12-16 BLAINVILLE-BOISBRIAND Giguère, Charles-Antoine (1999-05-03) MONCTON RD_2, 2020 2019-06-07 MONCTON Capannelli, Adam (1999-05-17) BLAINVILLE-BOISBRIAND RD_2, 2020 (MON) My bad, for some reason I thought Campannelli went for a 3rd. Regardless, it's still wasted assets on a 1 year player in a non contending year. Campannelli could have likely brought back a 2nd or 3rd on his own if he was a surplus OA. |
|
|
|
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 9, 2020 15:04:39 GMT -4
It's almost like they agreed to the deal before the season even started because the value they got wasn't based on what he developed into by Christmas. Very possible, if you just look at it as A 1st plus a prospect for each player it doesn't sound completely crazy. Although L'Heureux was standing out as the best 16 year old in the league very early so I'd love to know when the deal was struck. At this point the Cats have very little incentive now to bottom out completely for the next 2 seasons. I guess the best thing would be for them to draft 2 solid euro's and finish out of the bottom 5 so those picks don't end up being the lottery picks we are assuming them to be. But hard to imagine after they trade Spence and a few others it doesnt end up that way. They can't really worry about what the picks will be, they just need to restock the cupboards. If they stay mid pack they won't be contending for 5-6 years. |
|
|
|
Post by WHEELsnipePARTY on Jun 10, 2020 1:07:27 GMT -4
What are everyone’s thoughts on keeping Leonard and drafting a euro goalie ala Roman will?
|
|
|
|
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 10, 2020 8:13:03 GMT -4
What are everyone’s thoughts on keeping Leonard and drafting a euro goalie ala Roman will? I would prefer keeping Cornish Leonard and Hudson, trading Dejong for a couple of high picks, then getting a Euro F and Euro D. Obviously a couple of quality FA D and 3-4 quality FA forwards would not hurt. |
|
|
|
Post by jimmy on Jun 10, 2020 8:44:52 GMT -4
What are everyone’s thoughts on keeping Leonard and drafting a euro goalie ala Roman will? I would prefer keeping Cornish Leonard and Hudson, trading Dejong for a couple of high picks, then getting a Euro F and Euro D. Obviously a couple of quality FA D and 3-4 quality FA forwards would not hurt. Honestly, Leonard didn't show me much last year ... I realize he was buried on the depth chart, but to me, he was "just a guy" on the 4th line - not like he was driving play and making me think, "man this guy is good". For some reason, he seemed to take a step back from 18 to 19. I think he can play in the Q as an OA, but I see him as a low end option based on what we saw last year. He is obviously still in the mix, depending on what else happens. A Euro goalie could be a possibility, Lund-Cornish to me is in a similar boat to Leonard - could probably do the job, but not a high end option. Cashing in on DeJong - to me, if it didn't happen at the draft, it is not likely to happen until mid-season. For the FAs, I think you are being overly optimistic ... if we can get one quality forward and one quality d-man (I am defining quality as someone who either plays a top-9 or top-4 role, or who plays multiple seasons for us), that would be very good, any others are likely to be filler types who come and go quickly. |
|
|
|
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 10, 2020 9:10:45 GMT -4
I would prefer keeping Cornish Leonard and Hudson, trading Dejong for a couple of high picks, then getting a Euro F and Euro D. Obviously a couple of quality FA D and 3-4 quality FA forwards would not hurt. Honestly, Leonard didn't show me much last year ... I realize he was buried on the depth chart, but to me, he was "just a guy" on the 4th line - not like he was driving play and making me think, "man this guy is good". For some reason, he seemed to take a step back from 18 to 19. I think he can play in the Q as an OA, but I see him as a low end option based on what we saw last year. He is obviously still in the mix, depending on what else happens. A Euro goalie could be a possibility, Lund-Cornish to me is in a similar boat to Leonard - could probably do the job, but not a high end option. Cashing in on DeJong - to me, if it didn't happen at the draft, it is not likely to happen until mid-season. For the FAs, I think you are being overly optimistic ... if we can get one quality forward and one quality d-man (I am defining quality as someone who either plays a top-9 or top-4 role, or who plays multiple seasons for us), that would be very good, any others are likely to be filler types who come and go quickly. To be fair, Hudson was a non factor in the 2nd half and looked pretty disinterested. Leonard had a few fights and a few huge hits. I think they are taking a chance by not moving Spence and Dejong, if the season was to start in January, I'm sure we might see new buyers even without a 1st half. In terms of FA's they don't need to be high end, just guys that allow you not to over expose rookies, that can also be Q guys on waivers(19 year olds). |
|
|
|
Post by SteveUL on Jun 10, 2020 10:34:55 GMT -4
I don't see anybody buying up OA players until we know if and when a season will start. There is too much uncertainty right now and we may not even have a 20-21 season. Its looking like we will, in some form, but there is still uncertainty.
For all we know, a guy like Dejong could get a pro invite somewhere and start off in the AHL. There may be a few guys that people expect are playing pro next year that are back and available and teams are probably waiting to see who those players might be.
|
|
|
|
Post by jimmy on Jun 10, 2020 11:39:43 GMT -4
I don't see anybody buying up OA players until we know if and when a season will start. There is too much uncertainty right now and we may not even have a 20-21 season. Its looking like we will, in some form, but there is still uncertainty. For all we know, a guy like Dejong could get a pro invite somewhere and start off in the AHL. There may be a few guys that people expect are playing pro next year that are back and available and teams are probably waiting to see who those players might be. Agree that there could be a bunch of surprises ... there has been some talk of AHL operating a reduced number of teams next season with shared affiliates. That could squeeze a number of 20 y/o's out who would otherwise be pros, especially if the ECHL didn't operate. It is conceivable that one of the guys we have otherwise written off as gone (Rodrigue, Groulx, Fortier, MacIsaac) ends up back in the Q depending on how many guys their pro team have signed and how many spots they have available in a shared affiliation set-up. Also possible is that some players who everyone assumes are automatically back decide to stay home next season and be closer to family rather than move away to play hockey. Could see a scenario where guys decide to go to school a year early and get on with their life after hockey, or decide to live at home and play with a local junior A team ... A lot up in the air at the moment ... |
|
|
|
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 10, 2020 12:30:10 GMT -4
I don't see anybody buying up OA players until we know if and when a season will start. There is too much uncertainty right now and we may not even have a 20-21 season. Its looking like we will, in some form, but there is still uncertainty. For all we know, a guy like Dejong could get a pro invite somewhere and start off in the AHL. There may be a few guys that people expect are playing pro next year that are back and available and teams are probably waiting to see who those players might be. From the people I spoke to, the WC had very good offers for Dejong. One source said I "would be surprised" at what was offered. in a normal season i would say be patient but if the season was to be delayed until Jan 1, the trade window may be tight. Worst case is the season is cancelled and they get nothing for Spence or Dejong. |
|
|
|
Post by jonjon on Jun 11, 2020 8:17:26 GMT -4
Is DeJong really worth anything more than a mid-round pick? I'm shocked how people are valuing him on here. Not dismissing it, just surprised by it. What am I missing? To me, a 20 year old second pair d-man teeters more on not making teams and playing in Jr. A than he does fetching a decent haul in a trade. Of course, he'll be a big part of helping our rebuilding team this year, but just not seeing his value outside of Moncton, or a team in a similar position.
|
|
|
|
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 11, 2020 8:51:54 GMT -4
Is DeJong really worth anything more than a mid-round pick? I'm shocked how people are valuing him on here. Not dismissing it, just surprised by it. What am I missing? To me, a 20 year old second pair d-man teeters more on not making teams and playing in Jr. A than he does fetching a decent haul in a trade. Of course, he'll be a big part of helping our rebuilding team this year, but just not seeing his value outside of Moncton, or a team in a similar position. He played really well as the season went on last year, to a point where you could debate weather he or Andersson was the #3 d-man behind Mcisaac and Spence. The rumor I heard from a well connected source is they could get two top 5 picks for him. maybe that deal fell through or whatever, but he is seen as an average to above average d-man. In a normal season if he got #2 minutes, put up numbers along with playing solid, physical defense, he would definitely have value at midseason. Part of that is what the needs of contenders are and how much are they willing to pay. |
|
|
|
Post by SteveUL on Jun 11, 2020 10:17:16 GMT -4
Is DeJong really worth anything more than a mid-round pick? I'm shocked how people are valuing him on here. Not dismissing it, just surprised by it. What am I missing? To me, a 20 year old second pair d-man teeters more on not making teams and playing in Jr. A than he does fetching a decent haul in a trade. Of course, he'll be a big part of helping our rebuilding team this year, but just not seeing his value outside of Moncton, or a team in a similar position. I felt he took a big step forward last year and was a very reliable guy all year. He is a big guy that skates very well ... moves the puck really well ... and isn't afraid to drop the gloves. He also has a wicked wrist shot that I'd like to see him use more as I think he has some offensive upside that hasn't really been explored due to guys ahead of him with more hype. I would think that you could get a third for him or maybe 3rd and 4th. I think he also has tremendous value to us and keeping him is a good option also. |
|
|
|
Post by WhiteTyAffair on Jun 12, 2020 15:45:46 GMT -4
Dave Matthews has been invited as a free agent to Wildcats training camp.
|
|
|
|
Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 12, 2020 15:59:00 GMT -4
Dave Matthews has been invited as a free agent to Wildcats training camp. He seems old for junior hockey. |
|
