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Post by howitzer on Dec 12, 2021 12:16:53 GMT -4
With Kuznetsov reporting, you'd have to think Inniss will be the guy to go.
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Post by Slap Shooter on Dec 13, 2021 19:14:12 GMT -4
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Post by tim08 on Dec 13, 2021 20:45:57 GMT -4
Welcome to Saint john pierre dube I'm thinking innis for dube straight up.
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 13, 2021 21:13:15 GMT -4
Welcome to Saint john pierre dube I'm thinking innis for dube straight up. SJ will have to add for that to happen. BC isn’t going to give him up for Inniss, half a year of a 20 YO isn’t going to tickle their fancy. |
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Post by tim08 on Dec 13, 2021 21:40:13 GMT -4
I can imagine that he was released with an assurance of going to sj so whatever bc gets for him is a gift.
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Post by scotiahockey on Dec 13, 2021 23:36:57 GMT -4
I can imagine that he was released with an assurance of going to sj so whatever bc gets for him is a gift. I mean they own his rights so BC isn’t going to just give him away for nothing. They’re in the business of making hockey moves, they’re not going to trade a guy they gave up a decent amount of assets to get for nothing. SJ may very well end up with him but it’s not going to be for nothing. |
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Post by Slap Shooter on Dec 14, 2021 8:54:02 GMT -4
I pulled the below from the French board. I imagine they would probably like to get at least a 2nd or 3rd back for him. It's always hard to predict trades in the Q.
For Dubé, if he does not play QMJHL The Sagus will have to compensate the Drakkar since the player did not show up
what is circulating on this subject, would be a 3rd round choice? ... know the compensation that at the next draft,
the transaction last June was:
CHICOUTIMI trades to BAIE-COMEAU
Dubé, Pierrick (2001-01-07)
RD_4, # 75, 2021 (CHA)
RD_8, 2022 (BAC)
CHICOUTIMI receives:
Hébert , Julien (2003-07-09)
RD_3, # 40, 2021
RD_2, 2023 (BLB)
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Post by catnut on Dec 14, 2021 9:28:43 GMT -4
I can imagine that he was released with an assurance of going to sj so whatever bc gets for him is a gift. SJ would have to pay at least what Baie Comeau would get back in compensation from Chicoutimi if he continues to refuse to report there. It would be about what they paid to get him this summer. |
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Post by Briwhel on Dec 14, 2021 9:32:41 GMT -4
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Post by jordo999 on Dec 14, 2021 9:50:19 GMT -4
so this basically puts the writing on the wall that Shawinigan will be buyers as well I'd say. Wouldn't make sense to add an impact OA and then sell off Bourgault/Bourque. A lot of people said Shawinigan was 50/50 but their division is a lot more "open" compared to the east. Shawinigan can be a 3rd round + team in their division. |
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Post by Briwhel on Dec 14, 2021 10:13:42 GMT -4
so this basically puts the writing on the wall that Shawinigan will be buyers as well I'd say. Wouldn't make sense to add an impact OA and then sell off Bourgault/Bourque. A lot of people said Shawinigan was 50/50 but their division is a lot more "open" compared to the east. Shawinigan can be a 3rd round + team in their division. Shawinigan can say what they want. There's no universe where they get fair value for all of Coulombe, Bourque, Bourgault, and Beaudoin. They can either sell off and get limited return or they can buy. |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Dec 14, 2021 16:09:22 GMT -4
so this basically puts the writing on the wall that Shawinigan will be buyers as well I'd say. Wouldn't make sense to add an impact OA and then sell off Bourgault/Bourque. A lot of people said Shawinigan was 50/50 but their division is a lot more "open" compared to the east. Shawinigan can be a 3rd round + team in their division. Shawinigan can say what they want. There's no universe where they get fair value for all of Coulombe, Bourque, Bourgault, and Beaudoin. They can either sell off and get limited return or they can buy. Little bit confused here. I think what Jordo is saying Briwhel is that going by them throwing their hat into the Dube ring, they have decided to be buyers and not sell anything. I could be wrong though. Is anyone else concerned by this though? Us trying for Dube I mean. That means (likely) Innis is out the door. Our main problem, IMO, is defense. Impressed or not with Innis he definitely is not our worst defenseman defensively. That means we definitely get even weaker in our weakest area and Dube...well....good player but I dont think he's going to singlehandedly turn us into a scoring machine that puts up 7+ goals per night...which is what we might have to do at this point. So aren't we just shuffling deck chairs by adding Dube and losing Innis (and losing whatever assets we have to give up to get Dube)? We then still need to go acquire even more defensemen to improve our biggest weakness, plus still need at least one more bigtime offensive threat up front, plus probably some depth bottom six crash and bang type guys with playoff experience. Basically in the end don't we just end up needing to buy more chairs from company D, less chairs from company F, and have less money to buy the chairs we need? If TG thinks by getting Kuznetsov our D is now good enough and we can get rid of a D to address our needs up front....might be time to book him a padded room in Campbellton. |
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Post by Briwhel on Dec 14, 2021 16:19:26 GMT -4
Shawinigan can say what they want. There's no universe where they get fair value for all of Coulombe, Bourque, Bourgault, and Beaudoin. They can either sell off and get limited return or they can buy. Little bit confused here. I think what Jordo is saying Briwhel is that going by them throwing their hat into the Dube ring, they have decided to be buyers and not sell anything. I could be wrong though. Is anyone else concerned by this though? Us trying for Dube I mean. That means (likely) Innis is out the door. Our main problem, IMO, is defense. Impressed or not with Innis he definitely is not our worst defenseman defensively. That means we definitely get even weaker in our weakest area and Dube...well....good player but I dont think he's going to singlehandedly turn us into a scoring machine that puts up 7+ goals per night...which is what we might have to do at this point. So aren't we just shuffling deck chairs by adding Dube and losing Innis (and losing whatever assets we have to give up to get Dube)? We then still need to go acquire even more defensemen to improve our biggest weakness, plus still need at least one more bigtime offensive threat up front, plus probably some depth bottom six crash and bang type guys with playoff experience. Basically in the end don't we just end up needing to buy more chairs from company D, less chairs from company F, and have less money to buy the chairs we need? If TG thinks by getting Kuznetsov our D is now good enough and we can get rid of a D to address our needs up front....might be time to book him a padded room in Campbellton. Shawinigan has been floating the idea that they might sell, which is about as believable as Cape Breton buying big. Honestly, the problem with Inniss is that he's 20. He may not be our worst defensive D but anything that can re-balance our FW should be explored. Honestly speaking, we paid a ton expecting him to develop into the best DFD in the league, and that simply hasn't happened. Poirier and Villeneuve have dramatically improved in their own this year, so Inniss is honestly our 5th or 6th D. And if we still need a D (if we don't trust Drapeau-Despont), then adding a guy who brings what Inniss does and isn't 20 shouldn't be too expensive. If we could get a non-20 FW for a reasonable price to fill that spot (instead of adding an OA), then we would. But at this point, Drapeau-Inniss isn't enough better than Drapeau-Despont to ignore the significant balance issue up front (we are scoring on pure talent). |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Dec 14, 2021 16:36:44 GMT -4
Little bit confused here. I think what Jordo is saying Briwhel is that going by them throwing their hat into the Dube ring, they have decided to be buyers and not sell anything. I could be wrong though. Is anyone else concerned by this though? Us trying for Dube I mean. That means (likely) Innis is out the door. Our main problem, IMO, is defense. Impressed or not with Innis he definitely is not our worst defenseman defensively. That means we definitely get even weaker in our weakest area and Dube...well....good player but I dont think he's going to singlehandedly turn us into a scoring machine that puts up 7+ goals per night...which is what we might have to do at this point. So aren't we just shuffling deck chairs by adding Dube and losing Innis (and losing whatever assets we have to give up to get Dube)? We then still need to go acquire even more defensemen to improve our biggest weakness, plus still need at least one more bigtime offensive threat up front, plus probably some depth bottom six crash and bang type guys with playoff experience. Basically in the end don't we just end up needing to buy more chairs from company D, less chairs from company F, and have less money to buy the chairs we need? If TG thinks by getting Kuznetsov our D is now good enough and we can get rid of a D to address our needs up front....might be time to book him a padded room in Campbellton. Poirier and Villeneuve have dramatically improved in their own this year, so Inniss is honestly our 5th or 6th D. And if we still need a D (if we don't trust Drapeau-Despont), then adding a guy who brings what Inniss does and isn't 20 shouldn't be too expensive. We will have to disagree then. A 6D combo of Poirier, Villeneuve, Desroches, Innis, Despont and Drapeau has not been good enough for a Memorial Cup contender. Not even close to good enough. There's no "if we don't trust Drapeau/Despont" in my opinion. Even with Kuznetsov, those 2 guys should be #7 and #8 probably. We need to get dramatically better on D. Its not a one player fixes it type scenario. Poirier and Villeneuve have gotten better defensively? Maybe. No where near good enough in that regard yet though, especially Villeneuve who as of late has looked like he's already dreaming of what will be under the Xmas tree when he gets home. How much better will they get, especially after the trade period is gone and their spot is "safe"? Without Innis, we need 2 strong defensive defensemen, because it's not as simple as get some scrub #5 and #6 type guys. These defensively minded guys have to be able to pair up with a Villeneuve or a Poirier or a Desroches and cover up their defensive deficiencies. They can't be the second coming of Jason Seed and Ian Saab sorry. |
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Post by tim08 on Dec 14, 2021 17:08:39 GMT -4
So does anyone know what happened with dube did shaw outbid us or was he in our plans at all.
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