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Post by blueeagle on Jan 11, 2023 10:55:35 GMT -4
It's not too often that Hulton has had to rebuild and more than one team have looked to stumble somewhat so I think he can be given some leeway. I would gladly change Dwyer here in Bathurst for Hulton. How can you be serious on that front, Look at Hultons track record with since joining the Islanders and what he has accomplished. I think some people are hitting the panic button way to soon, yes the trades may not make sense in some cases what would have happened if we won last year? would people still be asking questions on the Guy trade? look at what other teams are doing hell look at what the return on Zellweger and Hofer. Honestly Austin didn't really impress me all that much at all overall his numbers were solid cause he had a strong team in front of him. Robillard from what I remember he played pretty good vs us last season and we had a very strong team and he made some big saves during the series vs us, I think he will be a great addition. Rutledge defiantly isn't a surprise watching him all season and the games he has played in he didn't do a whole lot and didn't utilize his size at all. Hes been on the bubble for a little while now. Its the first time really since Hulton took over we are in this position I think his goal this season is to just even make the playoffs and with the team that he had it just is not going to cut it, so if he has to bring in other players to try and achieve that then so be it. If in 2-3 years we are still this bad then yes hit the panic button but overall the first half of the season was not overly bad sitting around 500 or a little above. Mind you a lot had to do with Franky in net but they were still scoring goals and competing. I think they are saying that from a Bathurst point of view. No one in their right mind would want Dwyer over Hulton. |
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Post by juniorcormier16 on Jan 11, 2023 10:56:17 GMT -4
I haven't seen Robillard this year, but fwiw (and it's not worth much), when I saw Austin this year I thought his numbers flattered him, so I see scotiahockey's point. Austin played what a total of 12 games with Gat good sav % for sure but on a very competitive and strong team. if he was that good and didn't have any issues why would Gat trade him? there is more to the story bad attitude maybe, Hulton would not put up with that crap buy into the system or get out. Hulton seems to be well liked by majority of the players even if you watch him on the bench with them, now having said that in the past 10 games or so I have seen Hulton hanging his head and placing his hand on his forehead and showing frustration on some plays that go on. But in saying all of that players have to take some credibility as well there has been a lot of times on the ice they are just not trying and slow to get back into the play, I seen it from player to player by times. |
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Post by juniorcormier16 on Jan 11, 2023 10:57:58 GMT -4
Robillard started the semifinal vs. us last year. In game 1 we ripped him a new one, scoring 3 goals on the first five shots. He was pulled less than 5 minutes in and they went with Zhigalov for the rest of the game. The Phoenix came back with Robillard for game 2 and he went shot for shot with Frankie and they ended up winning in OT and left Charlottetown with the split.... and put the heat right on us heading up to Sherbooke looking for two wins. He made some huge saves in that second game against some of the best players in the league he defiantly gave them the confidence heading back to Sherbrooke. |
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Post by juniorcormier16 on Jan 11, 2023 10:58:35 GMT -4
How can you be serious on that front, Look at Hultons track record with since joining the Islanders and what he has accomplished. I think some people are hitting the panic button way to soon, yes the trades may not make sense in some cases what would have happened if we won last year? would people still be asking questions on the Guy trade? look at what other teams are doing hell look at what the return on Zellweger and Hofer. Honestly Austin didn't really impress me all that much at all overall his numbers were solid cause he had a strong team in front of him. Robillard from what I remember he played pretty good vs us last season and we had a very strong team and he made some big saves during the series vs us, I think he will be a great addition. Rutledge defiantly isn't a surprise watching him all season and the games he has played in he didn't do a whole lot and didn't utilize his size at all. Hes been on the bubble for a little while now. Its the first time really since Hulton took over we are in this position I think his goal this season is to just even make the playoffs and with the team that he had it just is not going to cut it, so if he has to bring in other players to try and achieve that then so be it. If in 2-3 years we are still this bad then yes hit the panic button but overall the first half of the season was not overly bad sitting around 500 or a little above. Mind you a lot had to do with Franky in net but they were still scoring goals and competing. I think they are saying that from a Bathurst point of view. No one in their right mind would want Dwyer over Hulton. Ah yes that would make more sense lol |
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Post by blueeagle on Jan 11, 2023 11:02:58 GMT -4
I haven't seen Robillard this year, but fwiw (and it's not worth much), when I saw Austin this year I thought his numbers flattered him, so I see scotiahockey's point. Austin played what a total of 12 games with Gat good sav % for sure but on a very competitive and strong team. if he was that good and didn't have any issues why would Gat trade him? there is more to the story bad attitude maybe, Hulton would not put up with that crap buy into the system or get out. Hulton seems to be well liked by majority of the players even if you watch him on the bench with them, now having said that in the past 10 games or so I have seen Hulton hanging his head and placing his hand on his forehead and showing frustration on some plays that go on. But in saying all of that players have to take some credibility as well there has been a lot of times on the ice they are just not trying and slow to get back into the play, I seen it from player to player by times. I mean 12 games on a good team is a very very small sample size, especially when put up against his 63 OHL games in which he put up numbers of 4.20 (heh), .876. It's possible he just wasn't that good. Doesn't explain the timing though. |
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Post by jangle on Jan 11, 2023 11:26:17 GMT -4
Watching Austin in net at the home games were not that impressive at all, he has very little spark. I tried not to judge him because it was such a small sample size and with a new team to boot; but it wasn’t pretty.
He didn’t give 100% and if he did, he really isn’t that good. I wish him the best but to try salvage what little hope is left for the season, I’m ok with seeing him move on. At the very least, maybe we can get some wins!
Also I doubt Jim would put up with such a half hearted attitude in games. Perhaps there is more to the story behind the scenes?
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Post by Score on Jan 11, 2023 11:34:19 GMT -4
Watching Austin in net at the home games were not that impressive at all, he has very little spark. I tried not to judge him because it was such a small sample size and with a new team to boot; but it wasn’t pretty. He didn’t give 100% and if he did, he really isn’t that good. That's how I saw it too. Agree 💯 |
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Post by bois on Jan 11, 2023 11:47:13 GMT -4
The issue I have is not with changing from Austin to Robillard but rather the timing as well
You play the one guy all weekend long and then cut him loose for a waiver pickup you could have gotten included in the trade for BRabanec
It is mismanagement of assets which we are very short on to begin with
I don't care who they put in net for the rest of the season..... we won't win many games and wouldn't if we somehow channeled the ghost of prime Dominek Hasek
I also don't mind cutting Rutledge.... he showed virtually nothing
but again he was a prize free agent signing before the season.... they led the fans to beleive they found a gem of a player
someone has to be accountable for the many misses that have been made this season thus far.... and the guy who is in charge is Hulton so despite the great job he has done overall and despite the fact I think very highly of him as a person .... he is not above criticism here
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Post by juniorcormier16 on Jan 11, 2023 12:01:53 GMT -4
When did Robillard actually get let go? or what happened there did he leave on his own or did Sherbrooke just trade for a better goalie and he was the odd man out. Maybe at the time of the deal for Brabanec he wasn't in play and depending on when the deal got done maybe he played it safe, I mean with Franky going to Gat Austin was out of a job regardless maybe Hulton didn't want Austin but took him anyways just to have a backup plan who knows and we will most likely never know.
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Post by sc74 on Jan 11, 2023 12:03:55 GMT -4
When did Robillard actually get let go? or what happened there did he leave on his own or did Sherbrooke just trade for a better goalie and he was the odd man out. Maybe at the time of the deal for Brabanec he wasn't in play and depending on when the deal got done maybe he played it safe, I mean with Franky going to Gat Austin was out of a job regardless maybe Hulton didn't want Austin but took him anyways just to have a backup plan who knows and we will most likely never know. Robillard was already gone from Sherbrooke when the Brabenec deal was done. Maybe he (Robillard) prefered to look at his options before making a decision about his next destination. |
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Post by lirette on Jan 11, 2023 12:30:16 GMT -4
Austin has been playing though injuries…maybe Jim knows something, or just can’t afford to take a chance that he’ll stay healthy for the year. What if Austin pulls a groin? We’re stuck with Grimes and Boudreau for the year….and we all thought the season was going to be long now 😂 I don't think the outsiders or in 1 case fans are criticizing the release of a goalie with potential injury issues, or even a goalie that is underperforming. It is the timing of the release, leaving the player with no other major junior options, while making the effort to include him in a trade and have him move all his stuff here just two weeks ago just doesn't sit right. Did they not scout him or inquire about his health before making the trade? Its one of those cases where they were either ignorant or negligent in regards to his health and in regards to releasing him after a deadline where he could find something else. Yes this is high level hockey and tough decisions are made, no one disputes that. But accommodations should always be made to do whats right for a kid, and the human element should also matter. It seems on this board though that criticizing Hulton is just not allowed. Anytime he is even slightly critiqued on this board there are several posters jumping in defense immediately. I doubt anyone is really suggesting they fire him over this, there is a difference between criticizing and having someone held accountable and firing them. Everything does not always need to be so extreme. For example if they simply made a mistake not knowing about the deadline about the OHL, and they came out and said that I'm sure it would go a long way. I wish there were exceptions and accomodations that could be made in circumstances like this to do whats right by the player. |
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Post by L'il Boy on Jan 11, 2023 13:27:04 GMT -4
The issue I have is not with changing from Austin to Robillard but rather the timing as well You play the one guy all weekend long and then cut him loose for a waiver pickup you could have gotten included in the trade for BRabanec It is mismanagement of assets which we are very short on to begin with I don't care who they put in net for the rest of the season..... we won't win many games and wouldn't if we somehow channeled the ghost of prime Dominek Hasek I also don't mind cutting Rutledge.... he showed virtually nothing but again he was a prize free agent signing before the season.... they led the fans to beleive they found a gem of a player someone has to be accountable for the many misses that have been made this season thus far.... and the guy who is in charge is Hulton so despite the great job he has done overall and despite the fact I think very highly of him as a person .... he is not above criticism here From the talk and chatter on these boards, the Brabanec deal was done early. Perhaps Robillard wasn't available at that time. Even if they did the Oliver deal early, Sherbrooke could have been hoping to pick up an asset for Robillard before the trade period was over. |
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Post by L'il Boy on Jan 11, 2023 13:42:14 GMT -4
Austin has been playing though injuries…maybe Jim knows something, or just can’t afford to take a chance that he’ll stay healthy for the year. What if Austin pulls a groin? We’re stuck with Grimes and Boudreau for the year….and we all thought the season was going to be long now 😂 I don't think the outsiders or in 1 case fans are criticizing the release of a goalie with potential injury issues, or even a goalie that is underperforming. It is the timing of the release, leaving the player with no other major junior options, while making the effort to include him in a trade and have him move all his stuff here just two weeks ago just doesn't sit right. Did they not scout him or inquire about his health before making the trade? Its one of those cases where they were either ignorant or negligent in regards to his health and in regards to releasing him after a deadline where he could find something else. Yes this is high level hockey and tough decisions are made, no one disputes that. But accommodations should always be made to do whats right for a kid, and the human element should also matter. It seems on this board though that criticizing Hulton is just not allowed. Anytime he is even slightly critiqued on this board there are several posters jumping in defense immediately. I doubt anyone is really suggesting they fire him over this, there is a difference between criticizing and having someone held accountable and firing them. Everything does not always need to be so extreme. For example if they simply made a mistake not knowing about the deadline about the OHL, and they came out and said that I'm sure it would go a long way. I wish there were exceptions and accomodations that could be made in circumstances like this to do whats right by the player. Seriously though....how many times in the last 6 years was there a real opportunity to criticize him? It's only been this year that he has really been under the gun, and last year, he was criticized fairly for not making enough moves earlier in the trade period, and ending up having to trade for Roy and Stairs on the last day.
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Post by L'il Boy on Jan 11, 2023 13:44:31 GMT -4
When did Robillard actually get let go? or what happened there did he leave on his own or did Sherbrooke just trade for a better goalie and he was the odd man out. Maybe at the time of the deal for Brabanec he wasn't in play and depending on when the deal got done maybe he played it safe, I mean with Franky going to Gat Austin was out of a job regardless maybe Hulton didn't want Austin but took him anyways just to have a backup plan who knows and we will most likely never know. Robillard was already gone from Sherbrooke when the Brabenec deal was done. Maybe he (Robillard) prefered to look at his options before making a decision about his next destination. Serious question, because I don't know the answer. When the Oliver deal was made, would Sherbrooke have to place Robillard on waivers right away? And when does the waiver period start? |
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Post by Score on Jan 11, 2023 14:32:20 GMT -4
The Islanders have acquired 18-year-old forward Kiefer Lyons off waivers. Lyons has split his QMJHL career between the Moncton Wildcats and Cape Breton Eagles. We all know that there is a big jump from JrA to Major Junior.... Kiefer Lyons is an 18yr old FW who has 34pts in 16 games with Campbellton. 16gp 18G 16A 34pts Compared to 20yr old Stairs who plays on the same team as Lyons, Stairs has 42pt in 24gp. 8 more games then Lyons. Being only 18yrs old, it's worth a shot on a rebuilding team. |
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