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Post by bois on Jun 13, 2022 9:31:52 GMT -4
Got all the appreciation posts out of the way now time to talk about moving forward and what we got and what we can expect
right now on paper we don't pick before round 7 i believe.... obviously thats not gonna happen or be true when trading period opens.... there is merit to debate how deep you trade right away versus waiting half a season and putting a few butts in seats by winning more games early on next year
i feel very strongly that our overagers will be as follows
1) Kieran Gallant is a lock to me to play as a 20.... great versatile forward to start the rebuild.... personally I see him as potentially the next captain as well.... obviously no idea on the behind the scenes stuff or dressing room character but based on how hard he worked to get drafted and return to the league after a very serious injury to become a very vital part of our checking line and penalty kill the last 2 years especially
2) Patty Guay should be a lock if he is back in the league.... i think someone will draft him this year but i still feel he's likely to return for his overage season.... the real decision tho is do you unload him at the draft and hope for a big haul then or bring him back and deal him for a massive haul at xmas as he should be among the 2-3 best overagers in the league next year if he returns. Me i keep him and hope he puts up the numbers and stays healthy and trade him for a massive haul at Christmas
3) this one is tricky as I do not know for sure who is dealt to complete trades.... it would be Biakabutuka for sure but I have heard alot of rumours of him being moved to Cape Breton from some pretty credible sources.... I also have heard Zach Roy's name tossed in..... i don't believe we should start the year with a combo of a 20 and a 19 in net but we may almost be forced to do that .. so i'll say Lapenna for now..... obviously he's another candidate to be moved for sure.
this leaves Stairs, Maynard, Saye and Leblanc as odd men out.. if you can move any of them for picks at the draft you do so.... of those 4 Stairs is the most marketable for sure.... to me he's a must move i don't really care what you get back.... i would probably invite Maynard to camp as well since our blueline is to be decimated with change .... hopefully Leblanc can get healthy and be a candidate to move... Saye is probably headed to tier two in all honesty
up front we should be ok in my scenario starting out the rebuild
Guay-Brabanec-Elliot
Boyd-Gallant-Roy (if not traded)
Bowness-Todd- Arsenault
Jelley- new kid/free agent/draft pick
Trudeau-Plandowski
Topilnycki-new kid
Semard- draft pick
vet from waivers/or trade
Lapenna
Satny
interested to hear from others
also what do we have in the pipeline in goal? anything that looks to be a future starter ?
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Post by switchback on Jun 13, 2022 9:37:54 GMT -4
Trudeau will be OA to
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 13, 2022 9:38:45 GMT -4
Got all the appreciation posts out of the way now time to talk about moving forward and what we got and what we can expect right now on paper we don't pick before round 7 i believe.... obviously thats not gonna happen or be true when trading period opens.... there is merit to debate how deep you trade right away versus waiting half a season and putting a few butts in seats by winning more games early on next year i feel very strongly that our overagers will be as follows 1) Kieran Gallant is a lock to me to play as a 20.... great versatile forward to start the rebuild.... personally I see him as potentially the next captain as well.... obviously no idea on the behind the scenes stuff or dressing room character but based on how hard he worked to get drafted and return to the league after a very serious injury to become a very vital part of our checking line and penalty kill the last 2 years especially 2) Patty Guay should be a lock if he is back in the league.... i think someone will draft him this year but i still feel he's likely to return for his overage season.... the real decision tho is do you unload him at the draft and hope for a big haul then or bring him back and deal him for a massive haul at xmas as he should be among the 2-3 best overagers in the league next year if he returns. Me i keep him and hope he puts up the numbers and stays healthy and trade him for a massive haul at Christmas 3) this one is tricky as I do not know for sure who is dealt to complete trades.... it would be Biakabutuka for sure but I have heard alot of rumours of him being moved to Cape Breton from some pretty credible sources.... I also have heard Zach Roy's name tossed in..... i don't believe we should start the year with a combo of a 20 and a 19 in net but we may almost be forced to do that .. so i'll say Lapenna for now..... obviously he's another candidate to be moved for sure. this leaves Stairs, Maynard, Saye and Leblanc as odd men out.. if you can move any of them for picks at the draft you do so.... of those 4 Stairs is the most marketable for sure.... to me he's a must move i don't really care what you get back.... i would probably invite Maynard to camp as well since our blueline is to be decimated with change .... hopefully Leblanc can get healthy and be a candidate to move... Saye is probably headed to tier two in all honesty up front we should be ok in my scenario starting out the rebuild Guay-Brabanec-Elliot Boyd-Gallant-Roy (if not traded) Bowness-Todd- Arsenault Jelley- new kid/free agent/draft pick Trudeau-Plandowski Topilnycki-new kid Semard- draft pick vet from waivers/or trade Lapenna Satny interested to hear from others also what do we have in the pipeline in goal? anything that looks to be a future starter ? Trudeau is also 20, not yet signed so should play another year in the Q. Unless they are part of futures, Guay, Trudeau Lapenna Plandowski and Brabanec chould be major pieces of the rebuild. Usually some go at the draft, mostly OA's. If I was Hulton I would try and get a good return for Lapenna and have a younger partner for Satny. Plus also move either Guay or Trudeau(assuming both are back in the Q). |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Jun 13, 2022 9:45:07 GMT -4
Regarding Biakabutuka - I've heard the rumours of him going to Cape Breton as well.
Also, I've heard Patrick Guay is going to Drummondville. Drew Elliot is rumoured to be traded but I haven't figured out where as of yet.
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Post by bois on Jun 13, 2022 9:45:22 GMT -4
thats what i thought but then i was looking at hockey db and they had him listed as an 18 .... ok well then he's obviously the third twenty and Lapenna is out the door at the draft for hopefully a package of picks helps the blueline immensely then |
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Post by bois on Jun 13, 2022 9:51:01 GMT -4
Regarding Biakabutuka - I've heard the rumours of him going to Cape Breton as well. Also, I've heard Patrick Guay is going to Drummondville. Drew Elliot is rumoured to be traded but I haven't figured out where as of yet. interesting again i know there will be bodies going out just a matter of when personally i don't see the value in moving an Elliot now but if he's being dealt i hope we get a good haul back Guay if he's going to Drummondville man that trade tree is some kinda tree ........ as i'd presume we'd be getting our first in 2024 back from that plus more |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 13, 2022 10:00:49 GMT -4
Regarding Biakabutuka - I've heard the rumours of him going to Cape Breton as well. Also, I've heard Patrick Guay is going to Drummondville. Drew Elliot is rumoured to be traded but I haven't figured out where as of yet. interesting again i know there will be bodies going out just a matter of when personally i don't see the value in moving an Elliot now but if he's being dealt i hope we get a good haul back Guay if he's going to Drummondville man that trade tree is some kinda tree ........ as i'd presume we'd be getting our first in 2024 back from that plus more Guay as futures for Simoneau? Unlikely it would be Lapenna. |
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Post by countryboy on Jun 13, 2022 10:16:25 GMT -4
All of this makes my head spin!
Sometimes I figure that maybe I know enough about the league that I could be a GM.... then you come across all the specifics about futures, etc.... and I know that I'd have no chance!
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Post by bois on Jun 13, 2022 10:16:44 GMT -4
interesting again i know there will be bodies going out just a matter of when personally i don't see the value in moving an Elliot now but if he's being dealt i hope we get a good haul back Guay if he's going to Drummondville man that trade tree is some kinda tree ........ as i'd presume we'd be getting our first in 2024 back from that plus more Guay as futures for Simoneau? Unlikely it would be Lapenna. couldnt be Lapenna we got him from Drummondville |
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Post by bois on Jun 13, 2022 10:20:50 GMT -4
someone got that link to the french board where they have the draft choices by team for the next 3 years?
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Post by countryboy on Jun 13, 2022 10:22:24 GMT -4
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Post by bois on Jun 13, 2022 10:27:18 GMT -4
so if Guay to Drummondville is a thing.... i find it a little surprising as the Volts look built for two years down the road but whatever
i would hope the return would be a top prospect plus at least 2 top picks......
something like Lamoureux, 1st 2023 and 1st 2024 (our own)
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 13, 2022 10:48:16 GMT -4
Guay as futures for Simoneau? Unlikely it would be Lapenna. couldnt be Lapenna we got him from Drummondville I meant as futures in the Lapenna deal. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 13, 2022 10:50:39 GMT -4
so if Guay to Drummondville is a thing.... i find it a little surprising as the Volts look built for two years down the road but whatever i would hope the return would be a top prospect plus at least 2 top picks...... something like Lamoureux, 1st 2023 and 1st 2024 (our own) If it's part of the Simoneau trade it would likely only be picks coming back. Don't see them moving Lamoureux. My guess is, it would be Guay for the 2024 1st you sent originally. |
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Post by countryboy on Jun 13, 2022 10:59:10 GMT -4
Trudeau's situation is a very interesting one.
As as a 20 y/o player, he will be AHL eligible and could play for either Montreal's AHL affiliate (Laval) or ECHL affiliate (Trois-Rivieres). But, his status as a late birthday makes his situation one that is worth monitoring.
Trudeau was drafted in the 4th round in the 2021 draft, the first year he was draft eligible. His birthday is Oct. 11, and by the draft rules his first year eligible for the NHL draft was after his 18 y/o season (he would have been one of the oldest first time eligible prospects for the 2021 draft).
To understand Trudeau's situation, you need to understand how the NHL entry level slide rule works for entry level contracts. The "slide" rule allows teams to sign a player to his entry level contract, but keep him in junior hockey when for up to 2 more years without burning years on his contract. For example, Lukas Cormier (born in the same year as Trudeau, but not a late birthday) was drafted by Vegas in the 2020 NHL draft. They signed him to his entry level contract in December of 2020. Even though he's contracted with the team, his contract was allowed to "slide" for the 2020-21 and 2021-22 NHL seasons. Unless he actually plays in the NHL for more than 9 games as an 18 or 19 y/o player, the contract, despite being signed, really doesn't kick in until the 22-23 season. In fact, even if Vegas did decide to assign Cormier back to the QMJHL, they would still have his contract kicking in and the first year of his contract would be ticking during the upcoming QMJHL season.
Back to Trudeau....those guys with late birthdays.... the slide rule still exists, but it plays out a little differently. You can get drafted after your 18 y/o season and go back to junior for your 19 y/o season. Of course the contract slides. But, for your 20 y/o season, the contract can still slide.... and this is even true if you are playing in the AHL or ECHL. Did you catch that I stated the contract "can" slide. In order for this to happen (i.e. for a contract to slide during a player's 20 y/o season), his entry level contract must be signed by Dec. 31 of his draft year.
Remember when St. Louis rushed to sign Nikita Alexandrov shortly after they drafted him at the end of the second round in 2019? In doing so, they made sure that his contract slid during his 19 y/o junior season and also during his 20 y/o season (during the pandemic, when he played between the AHL and the Finnish Liiga).
Now.... back to Trudeau. He's definitely a decent prospect. He's had a great QMJHL career and has been on Hockey Canada's radar. But, Montreal has yet to sign him to an entry level deal. Now, as Habs fans know, they've had a ton of picks the past few years and they are likely playing it careful as to who they will sign and who they might walk.... because you can only have 50 guys on your signed list (not including sliding contracts).
Since Montreal has not signed him, he cannot see his contract slide if they sign him to an entry level contract for next season. He'll burn the first year of his eligibility.... but if they keep him in junior for another season, they can make it so that his entry level contract doesn't kick in until the start of the 2023-24 season
One option for the Habs though, if they really keen on Trudeau playing pro hockey this year, they could offer him an AHL only deal to play with Laval or Trois-Rivieres for the 22-23 season and then sign his entry level deal (if they wish) to start the 23-24 season, because their deadline to get him signed would be June 1, 2023, two years after they drafted him.
The Ducks did this with Hunter Drew. The difference with him was that they drafted him as a 19 y/o player. For his 20 y/o season he played in the Q. When he was 21 they did not have to make the call on him for signing his entry level contract, so he played on an AHL only deal at age 21 and the Ducks did eventually sign him to his entry level contract.
Simoneau would be in the same situation. The Habs can put him on an AHL only deal for 22-23 because they don't have to sign him to his entry level contract until 23-24...like Trudeau... two years after his draft.
The contracts sliding as a 20 y/o player is actually pretty common. Evan Bouchard played as a 20 y/o in the AHL but the Oilers did not burn a year of his contract. Emile Poirier, who the Flames drafted a few years ago was the first player this happened with where people started to understand the rule.
Complicated stuff.... but it probably means that it's a little more likely that Trudeau could play in the Q as a 20 y/o.
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