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Post by mikeb on Jan 12, 2023 23:11:21 GMT -4
So your whole first paragraph basically paints Austin as a lazy trouble making asshole and that Hulton had no choice but to dump the kid. Do you have any proof of what you say or is it just a love thing you have for Jim? There is no proof anywhere in any of these discussions as no one actually knows everything is all speculation until something is released and a topic like this it is hard to say if they will release why the switch. Which by now if nothing has come out I doubt we will hear anything. I am not saying he is a problem kid I was giving a different look on the possibility of the situation, who knows he could have just quit like a few other players across the league has done. You can't sit there and tell me if the final year of your junior career and you were on a contender and then got traded not to another decent team but to a team who will barley make the playoffs and be out in the first round, that you wouldn't be sour. I watched him play since he got here and the effort and battling is just not there regardless of what happen. Don't get me wrong Jim has done great things here and the only thing I am saying is something isn't adding up and some people thing the timing is wrong and bad on his part he just has not shown in all the time he has been here that he would screw over a kid like that, so something else IMO happened for this move and if not then I look at it from the stand point that if your not wanting to play or try then why keep you on the team. You are still shitting on the kid even after saying you have no proof of what you are saying. But now you've added he might just be a quitter. It could just be that Hulton felt better with Robillard in net without it meaning that Austin being a lazy trouble making quitter. Why dump all over a kid making shit up. |
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Post by dutchinc on Jan 13, 2023 8:23:06 GMT -4
The nerve….Hulton not using his crystal ball with those trades. 🙄🙄🙄
You can’t make trades and then 2 years later complain that the guy is now worth so much more…etc etc etc. IE Gill, generally speaking.
Winning costs. That’s the price u pay period., some trades U win, some u lose long term. Man the whining in here.
Ppl talking like any of this is a surprise. No one here, no one has a clue what legit happens behind those closed doors.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 13, 2023 8:53:32 GMT -4
I kinda feel similarly to bois here. One thing with me is looking around the league and seeing how many ex-islanders there are who are good assets or even key pieces on other teams... you should have more to show for that IMO. Justin Gill, Angus Booth, Mathis Aguilar, Sam Oliver, Drew Elliot, Oscar Plandowski, Anthony Hamel, Jacob Goobie *I guess*... even Xavier Fortin to a degree. Yes, many of these guys were moved for pieces that played very well for the Islanders, but... some also wreak of impatience. I know Jeremie Biakabatuka is a good player and the Charlottetown Islanders defense was ridiculously deep... but follow that trade chain. Angus Booth, 2004 D, QMJHL Captain, NHL-Drafted top 2 D was traded for a 2nd round pick 2 years down the road... which was then packaged with Mathis Aguilar, another 2004 D, and yet another 2nd AND a 3rd.... for Biakabatuka and an 8th was it? When viewed like that that asset management is inexcusable. Especially since Booth played on the team that beat the Islanders in the playoffs last year, it's not like he couldn't have played a key role on the Islanders blueline instead of Biakabatuka. Imagine how much better the Islanders look with Booth and Aguilar anchoring their D for the next 1-2.5 years, with the option of trading them for assets, plus that 2024 2nd? Some of his trades were justified, like yea Gill and 2x 1st for Patty Guay is A LOT... but it's also 1.5 (and at the time they thought 2.5) years of Patty fuckin' Guay. The guy put up 55 goals and 104 points, anyone gives you a pass on that trade. Xavier Simoneau was also 2 more firsts out the door but... It's also Xavier Simoneau. But at the same time like... Bailey Peach? There's another 2 2nds, a 3rd and a 7th out the door for 7 goals and 17 points. Hulton hasn't put himself in a position where he can draft well because he doesn't have picks, and he hasn't been able to fleece anyone in a trade since he picked up Laaouan and desruisseaux Similar to Moncton's rebuild after the Covid mess of 19-20 wrecked their title run having given up L'heureux and Desnoyers, losing Trudeau and Guay to the pros will basically extend the rebuild an extra year. CHA 2023: 3Sha-3Gat-3-4-5CB-5-8-9-11-12-13-14 2024: 3-4-5-7-8-8Rim-10-11-12-13-14 2025: 1-2-2Gat-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 Not having a 1st this year or next year is the end result. |
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Post by Citris on Jan 13, 2023 10:32:27 GMT -4
The nerve….Hulton not using his crystal ball with those trades. 🙄🙄🙄 You can’t make trades and then 2 years later complain that the guy is now worth so much more…etc etc etc. IE Gill, generally speaking. Winning costs. That’s the price u pay period., some trades U win, some u lose long term. Man the whining in here. Ppl talking like any of this is a surprise. No one here, no one has a clue what legit happens behind those closed doors. You're contradicting yourself within the course of a few sentences here. You're saying I'm criticizing Hulton for not having a Crystal Ball, and then saying that it's not a surprise. I agree with you on the second part. It's not a surprise. You don't need a crystal ball and, while it's hard to know exactly how good players will be a few years down the road, we do know the organization was high on these guys. They traded them because they valued veterans over building from within and it's coming back to bit them now. Even when you go "all-in" you need to be responsible enough to leave yourself with SOMETHING to kickstart a rebuild... it just seems like the Isles came into the season with no real plan for that. I give credit where it's due. I think the Hughes trade is going to end up being a huge W for Charlottetown, but I also think Hulton threw around too many guys like candy to end up in this situation. |
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Post by Citris on Jan 13, 2023 10:35:11 GMT -4
Similar to Moncton's rebuild after the Covid mess of 19-20 wrecked their title run having given up L'heureux and Desnoyers, losing Trudeau and Guay to the pros will basically extend the rebuild an extra year. CHA 2023: 3Sha-3Gat-3-4-5CB-5-8-9-11-12-13-14 2024: 3-4-5-7-8-8Rim-10-11-12-13-14 2025: 1-2-2Gat-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 Not having a 1st this year or next year is the end result. It's actually remarkable how well Moncton has done post 2019-20. They drafted extremely well with what little they had, especially on D. I think Lacroix is low-key one of the best coaches in the Q and that once someone can put an actually good team on the ice for him the Wildcats will turn some heads. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 13, 2023 10:40:46 GMT -4
Similar to Moncton's rebuild after the Covid mess of 19-20 wrecked their title run having given up L'heureux and Desnoyers, losing Trudeau and Guay to the pros will basically extend the rebuild an extra year. CHA 2023: 3Sha-3Gat-3-4-5CB-5-8-9-11-12-13-14 2024: 3-4-5-7-8-8Rim-10-11-12-13-14 2025: 1-2-2Gat-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 Not having a 1st this year or next year is the end result. It's actually remarkable how well Moncton has done post 2019-20. They drafted extremely well with what little they had, especially on D. I think Lacroix is low-key one of the best coaches in the Q and that once someone can put an actually good team on the ice for him the Wildcats will turn some heads. Yeah the rebuild was shorter than I thought, though they need more impact guys to contend next year, deep lineup but other than Morin not a lot of difference makers. Being able to trade Pelletier and ending up(trading back) with 6 draft picks in the top 3 rounds(2020-2022) was huge. Then they moved Spence 6 months later(Filion, 1st 2023 and 4th). drafting Mueller(10th rd) and Auger(12th rd) later helped. Cha had Lapenna and Biakabutuka in a tough OA market this year. |
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Post by lirette on Jan 13, 2023 10:47:32 GMT -4
Similar to Moncton's rebuild after the Covid mess of 19-20 wrecked their title run having given up L'heureux and Desnoyers, losing Trudeau and Guay to the pros will basically extend the rebuild an extra year. CHA 2023: 3Sha-3Gat-3-4-5CB-5-8-9-11-12-13-14 2024: 3-4-5-7-8-8Rim-10-11-12-13-14 2025: 1-2-2Gat-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 Not having a 1st this year or next year is the end result. It's actually remarkable how well Moncton has done post 2019-20. They drafted extremely well with what little they had, especially on D. I think Lacroix is low-key one of the best coaches in the Q and that once someone can put an actually good team on the ice for him the Wildcats will turn some heads. Well, he did have a good team where he had 26-6 record including at one point a 16 game winning streak. Unfortunately we all know where that ended ...  |
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Post by juniorcormier16 on Jan 13, 2023 11:01:36 GMT -4
There is no proof anywhere in any of these discussions as no one actually knows everything is all speculation until something is released and a topic like this it is hard to say if they will release why the switch. Which by now if nothing has come out I doubt we will hear anything. I am not saying he is a problem kid I was giving a different look on the possibility of the situation, who knows he could have just quit like a few other players across the league has done. You can't sit there and tell me if the final year of your junior career and you were on a contender and then got traded not to another decent team but to a team who will barley make the playoffs and be out in the first round, that you wouldn't be sour. I watched him play since he got here and the effort and battling is just not there regardless of what happen. Don't get me wrong Jim has done great things here and the only thing I am saying is something isn't adding up and some people thing the timing is wrong and bad on his part he just has not shown in all the time he has been here that he would screw over a kid like that, so something else IMO happened for this move and if not then I look at it from the stand point that if your not wanting to play or try then why keep you on the team. You are still shitting on the kid even after saying you have no proof of what you are saying. But now you've added he might just be a quitter. It could just be that Hulton felt better with Robillard in net without it meaning that Austin being a lazy trouble making quitter. Why dump all over a kid making shit up. Never made shit up actually not once have I said that was a case, it is all speculation, which majority of the conversations are until something is released. There could be a number of factors in play what happened , no different then people coming down on Hulton on the timing of it all , Again what I am saying is there is a lot of different possibility's of why this happened and I gave my own opinion. |
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Post by Citris on Jan 13, 2023 11:02:06 GMT -4
It's actually remarkable how well Moncton has done post 2019-20. They drafted extremely well with what little they had, especially on D. I think Lacroix is low-key one of the best coaches in the Q and that once someone can put an actually good team on the ice for him the Wildcats will turn some heads. Well, he did have a good team where he had 26-6 record including at one point a 16 game winning streak. Unfortunately we all know where that ended ... I was planning on making the trip up to see the inevitable Moncton - Chicoutimi clash in the playoffs. We were robbed of some good damn hockey Q_Q |
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Post by dutchinc on Jan 13, 2023 11:49:24 GMT -4
The nerve….Hulton not using his crystal ball with those trades. 🙄🙄🙄 You can’t make trades and then 2 years later complain that the guy is now worth so much more…etc etc etc. IE Gill, generally speaking. Winning costs. That’s the price u pay period., some trades U win, some u lose long term. Man the whining in here. Ppl talking like any of this is a surprise. No one here, no one has a clue what legit happens behind those closed doors. You're contradicting yourself within the course of a few sentences here. You're saying I'm criticizing Hulton for not having a Crystal Ball, and then saying that it's not a surprise. I agree with you on the second part. It's not a surprise. You don't need a crystal ball and, while it's hard to know exactly how good players will be a few years down the road, we do know the organization was high on these guys. They traded them because they valued veterans over building from within and it's coming back to bit them now. Even when you go "all-in" you need to be responsible enough to leave yourself with SOMETHING to kickstart a rebuild... it just seems like the Isles came into the season with no real plan for that. I give credit where it's due. I think the Hughes trade is going to end up being a huge W for Charlottetown, but I also think Hulton threw around too many guys like candy to end up in this situation. No I am not condraticting myself. I thought it was obvious i was being sarcastic about the crystal ball 😁. U missed it. |
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Post by L'il Boy on Jan 13, 2023 12:28:21 GMT -4
The nerve….Hulton not using his crystal ball with those trades. 🙄🙄🙄 You can’t make trades and then 2 years later complain that the guy is now worth so much more…etc etc etc. IE Gill, generally speaking. Winning costs. That’s the price u pay period., some trades U win, some u lose long term. Man the whining in here. Ppl talking like any of this is a surprise. No one here, no one has a clue what legit happens behind those closed doors. You're contradicting yourself within the course of a few sentences here. You're saying I'm criticizing Hulton for not having a Crystal Ball, and then saying that it's not a surprise. I agree with you on the second part. It's not a surprise. You don't need a crystal ball and, while it's hard to know exactly how good players will be a few years down the road, we do know the organization was high on these guys. They traded them because they valued veterans over building from within and it's coming back to bit them now. Even when you go "all-in" you need to be responsible enough to leave yourself with SOMETHING to kickstart a rebuild... it just seems like the Isles came into the season with no real plan for that.I give credit where it's due. I think the Hughes trade is going to end up being a huge W for Charlottetown, but I also think Hulton threw around too many guys like candy to end up in this situation. They had a plan.....it just didn't include Guay and Trudeau going pro and Boyd leaving.... |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 13, 2023 12:33:54 GMT -4
You're contradicting yourself within the course of a few sentences here. You're saying I'm criticizing Hulton for not having a Crystal Ball, and then saying that it's not a surprise. I agree with you on the second part. It's not a surprise. You don't need a crystal ball and, while it's hard to know exactly how good players will be a few years down the road, we do know the organization was high on these guys. They traded them because they valued veterans over building from within and it's coming back to bit them now. Even when you go "all-in" you need to be responsible enough to leave yourself with SOMETHING to kickstart a rebuild... it just seems like the Isles came into the season with no real plan for that.I give credit where it's due. I think the Hughes trade is going to end up being a huge W for Charlottetown, but I also think Hulton threw around too many guys like candy to end up in this situation. They had a plan.....it just didn't include Guay and Trudeau going pro and Boyd leaving.... The only thing you can fault them on is maybe not being aggressive enough in moving Biakabutuka early as the market dried up on OA's. also not moving Horth may be a mistake but hard to say without knowing what was on the table. |
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Post by dutchinc on Jan 13, 2023 13:04:26 GMT -4
You're contradicting yourself within the course of a few sentences here. You're saying I'm criticizing Hulton for not having a Crystal Ball, and then saying that it's not a surprise. I agree with you on the second part. It's not a surprise. You don't need a crystal ball and, while it's hard to know exactly how good players will be a few years down the road, we do know the organization was high on these guys. They traded them because they valued veterans over building from within and it's coming back to bit them now. Even when you go "all-in" you need to be responsible enough to leave yourself with SOMETHING to kickstart a rebuild... it just seems like the Isles came into the season with no real plan for that.I give credit where it's due. I think the Hughes trade is going to end up being a huge W for Charlottetown, but I also think Hulton threw around too many guys like candy to end up in this situation. They had a plan.....it just didn't include Guay and Trudeau going pro and Boyd leaving.... This 👆👆👆 |
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Post by Citris on Jan 13, 2023 18:02:36 GMT -4
They had a plan.....it just didn't include Guay and Trudeau going pro and Boyd leaving.... This 👆👆👆 Guay was already traded and... Trudeau going pro was a possibility everyone knew of. Boyd was never going to fetch a good return. If that was your plan than it just proves my point... |
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Post by islander19 on Jan 13, 2023 18:48:07 GMT -4
Guay was already traded and... Trudeau going pro was a possibility everyone knew of. Boyd was never going to fetch a good return. If that was your plan than it just proves my point... Nobody thought Guay was going pro - the fact he did cost us a lot more assets we weren’t originally going to lose otherwise Trudeau - sure the opportunity for him to go pro was there, but chances seemed slim. Didn’t dominate junior, didn’t have to be signed as a late draftee and Montreal only had a few contract spots. Even now, the fact he’s playing pro is still a bit debatable. Boyd - nobody’s saying we would’ve cashed in big on Boyd, but he’d be a great third line addition on a contender. Likely fetches you a 2nd round pick +… |
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