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Post by Briwhel on Nov 16, 2022 23:03:07 GMT -4
There is a lot of assets that would fit perfectly in Halifax this year and could bring a lot of return back. But we all know it will not happen unless kids become adult, lol. Crazy how this bickering unfolded in recent years. It's not that SJ won't trade with Halifax. It's that Halifax will now have to offer more than anyone else and there will likely be a time frame attached. |
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Post by canbeer on Nov 16, 2022 23:25:48 GMT -4
There is a lot of assets that would fit perfectly in Halifax this year and could bring a lot of return back. But we all know it will not happen unless kids become adult, lol. Crazy how this bickering unfolded in recent years. It's not that SJ won't trade with Halifax. It's that Halifax will now have to offer more than anyone else and there will likely be a time frame attached. In which case Halifax won’t trade with Saint John which works out to the same thing. I suppose though you could say no team is going to trade with another team unless that team has the best offer… that’s how trades work. The question is would SNB turn down a slightly better offer from Halifax because it’s Halifax… if so, Georgie is just willing to screw his own team out of spite. If there’s a decent bit of animosity there, my guess is they just don’t bother approaching each other with offers. |
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 17, 2022 8:53:51 GMT -4
It's not that SJ won't trade with Halifax. It's that Halifax will now have to offer more than anyone else and there will likely be a time frame attached. In which case Halifax won’t trade with Saint John which works out to the same thing. I suppose though you could say no team is going to trade with another team unless that team has the best offer… that’s how trades work. The question is would SNB turn down a slightly better offer from Halifax because it’s Halifax… if so, Georgie is just willing to screw his own team out of spite. If there’s a decent bit of animosity there, my guess is they just don’t bother approaching each other with offers. There are certain players that would be easier for Halifax to acquire. With a full pick bank, a guy like Burns or Desroches wouldn't necessarily be hard to outbid someone for using picks (essentially your pick would have to be a round better than most other teams because Halifax should have incredibly late picks in every round this year). Where Halifax and SJ do not really match up at all are players like MacDonald and Reynolds where there would likely be younger players involved. Halifax isn't going to offer MacKinnon, Phillips or Cataford, and their others don't hold as much value as the players that other teams are likely to make available. |
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Post by j3e4 on Nov 17, 2022 18:14:58 GMT -4
Would there be an appetite for Trenholm anywhere? 19yo center with memorial cup experience. I forgot how much was involved in his trade: SJ received
Trenholm 3rd in '22 2nd in '23 3rd in '23 3rd in '24 CB receivedSavoie McCluskey 1st in '24 2nd in '23 3rd in '24 7th in '24 8th in '24 I think he would be great in Halifax but we all know that probably never happens. If the Sea Dogs get a decent offer from Halifax and nobody else, then they have to take it. Georgie's job is to do what's best for the Sea Dogs, not what is worst for the Mooseheads. I'm sure he's over the Desnoyers thing at this point the way things played out, but needs to recover some draft picks and Hurtubise should have pretty good trade value considering he won championships in each of the last 2 seasons. |
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Post by robichaud on Nov 18, 2022 16:11:15 GMT -4
In which case Halifax won’t trade with Saint John which works out to the same thing. I suppose though you could say no team is going to trade with another team unless that team has the best offer… that’s how trades work. The question is would SNB turn down a slightly better offer from Halifax because it’s Halifax… if so, Georgie is just willing to screw his own team out of spite. If there’s a decent bit of animosity there, my guess is they just don’t bother approaching each other with offers. There are certain players that would be easier for Halifax to acquire. With a full pick bank, a guy like Burns or Desroches wouldn't necessarily be hard to outbid someone for using picks (essentially your pick would have to be a round better than most other teams because Halifax should have incredibly late picks in every round this year). Where Halifax and SJ do not really match up at all are players like MacDonald and Reynolds where there would likely be younger players involved. Halifax isn't going to offer MacKinnon, Phillips or Cataford, and their others don't hold as much value as the players that other teams are likely to make available.It might of been already mentioned, but Antoine Fontaine could be a perfect candidate. But would they consider it. Fontaine is doing very well U18 with the Cantonniers in Magog. |
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Post by tim08 on Nov 27, 2022 18:21:42 GMT -4
Trade deadline can't come soon enough hope we can at least get a 10th and a full tank of diesel for Burns. I would rather see a young player making mistakes then watch him skate around then shoot into the defenders shinpads.
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Post by puckguru on Nov 27, 2022 20:14:53 GMT -4
Trade deadline can't come soon enough hope we can at least get a 10th and a full tank of diesel for Burns. I would rather see a young player making mistakes then watch him skate around then shoot into the defenders shinpads. |
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Post by puckguru on Nov 27, 2022 20:34:45 GMT -4
Trade deadline can't come soon enough hope we can at least get a 10th and a full tank of diesel for Burns. I would rather see a young player making mistakes then watch him skate around then shoot into the defenders shinpads. Do not disagree he did have some shots blocked. But teams have set plays and that clearly was what SJ designed for tonight, but if you know anything about the game you would know that every team watches video and realizes he is their biggest offensive threat. And they certainly don’t have many. It’s called cheating up on the shooter. Do you know what that term means??? Did you recognize they switched him to the other side later in the game? Probably not. Maybe they watched him score two from one side last weekend against Halifax and the Huskies did a good job on their PK tonight. Furthermore he is a half wall or goal line player on the PP that’s why he has been an above average PP guy his whole career. They are using him on the point because they only have one PP defenceman. Take a look at some pertinent hockey statistics and you will see he has a lot of quality scoring chances and set up a bunch as well tonight. If you know anything about the game you would probably recognize he was their best offensive player tonight. Maybe he didn’t have his best game. Watch some of his back checks to break up plays early in the game. I am not sure but your comments tend to show you don’t know much about hockey. Funny no one has posted a thing for days about the team even after a great win in Cape Breton. Lastly, nice to see a player playing in positions that the coach asks him to. That’s what committed players do. Most 20 year old kids would be bailing on a rebuilding team but kids like Derosches and Burns aren’t like that. They are being a team player and committed to a team that brought them into the league. They are a bunch of kids playing a game. |
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Post by blueeagle on Nov 28, 2022 10:22:50 GMT -4
Do not disagree he did have some shots blocked. But teams have set plays and that clearly was what SJ designed for tonight, but if you know anything about the game you would know that every team watches video and realizes he is their biggest offensive threat. And they certainly don’t have many. It’s called cheating up on the shooter. Do you know what that term means??? Did you recognize they switched him to the other side later in the game? Probably not. Maybe they watched him score two from one side last weekend against Halifax and the Huskies did a good job on their PK tonight. Furthermore he is a half wall or goal line player on the PP that’s why he has been an above average PP guy his whole career. They are using him on the point because they only have one PP defenceman. Take a look at some pertinent hockey statistics and you will see he has a lot of quality scoring chances and set up a bunch as well tonight. If you know anything about the game you would probably recognize he was their best offensive player tonight. Maybe he didn’t have his best game. Watch some of his back checks to break up plays early in the game. I am not sure but your comments tend to show you don’t know much about hockey. Funny no one has posted a thing for days about the team even after a great win in Cape Breton. Lastly, nice to see a player playing in positions that the coach asks him to. That’s what committed players do. Most 20 year old kids would be bailing on a rebuilding team but kids like Derosches and Burns aren’t like that. They are being a team player and committed to a team that brought them into the league. They are a bunch of kids playing a game. You make some good points but you're not helping yourself (in my eyes) by being so condescending. Also, while we are discussing people's posting history, I find it interesting that almost all of your 12 posts are just defending Burns. |
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 28, 2022 10:46:56 GMT -4
Do not disagree he did have some shots blocked. But teams have set plays and that clearly was what SJ designed for tonight, but if you know anything about the game you would know that every team watches video and realizes he is their biggest offensive threat. And they certainly don’t have many. It’s called cheating up on the shooter. Do you know what that term means??? Did you recognize they switched him to the other side later in the game? Probably not. Maybe they watched him score two from one side last weekend against Halifax and the Huskies did a good job on their PK tonight. Furthermore he is a half wall or goal line player on the PP that’s why he has been an above average PP guy his whole career. They are using him on the point because they only have one PP defenceman. Take a look at some pertinent hockey statistics and you will see he has a lot of quality scoring chances and set up a bunch as well tonight. If you know anything about the game you would probably recognize he was their best offensive player tonight. Maybe he didn’t have his best game. Watch some of his back checks to break up plays early in the game. I am not sure but your comments tend to show you don’t know much about hockey. Funny no one has posted a thing for days about the team even after a great win in Cape Breton. Lastly, nice to see a player playing in positions that the coach asks him to. That’s what committed players do. Most 20 year old kids would be bailing on a rebuilding team but kids like Derosches and Burns aren’t like that. They are being a team player and committed to a team that brought them into the league. They are a bunch of kids playing a game. You make some good points but you're not helping yourself (in my eyes) by being so condescending. Also, while we are discussing people's posting history, I find it interesting that almost all of your 12 posts are just defending Burns. Burns is trying to do too much because we don't have a lot of offense. That being said, he's been playing his tail off and has been very good this year. I thought Tim's post was overboard on the criticism. One critique I have is that the 2nd unit seems to be trying to play the same style as the first without the actual players to do it. I would love to see the second unit flip adjust to a simpler "get pucks through and bodies to the net style". We've seen that Tivey is very good at getting his shot through if we crashed a little more. |
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Post by blueeagle on Nov 28, 2022 18:46:53 GMT -4
You make some good points but you're not helping yourself (in my eyes) by being so condescending. Also, while we are discussing people's posting history, I find it interesting that almost all of your 12 posts are just defending Burns. Burns is trying to do too much because we don't have a lot of offense. That being said, he's been playing his tail off and has been very good this year. I thought Tim's post was overboard on the criticism.One critique I have is that the 2nd unit seems to be trying to play the same style as the first without the actual players to do it. I would love to see the second unit flip adjust to a simpler "get pucks through and bodies to the net style". We've seen that Tivey is very good at getting his shot through if we crashed a little more. I do too, obviously a 10th is not worth moving him, I just thought the response was a little heavy-handed. Edit: wait I'm confused, are you also puckguru? |
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 28, 2022 18:59:45 GMT -4
Burns is trying to do too much because we don't have a lot of offense. That being said, he's been playing his tail off and has been very good this year. I thought Tim's post was overboard on the criticism.One critique I have is that the 2nd unit seems to be trying to play the same style as the first without the actual players to do it. I would love to see the second unit flip adjust to a simpler "get pucks through and bodies to the net style". We've seen that Tivey is very good at getting his shot through if we crashed a little more. I do too, obviously a 10th is not worth moving him, I just thought the response was a little heavy-handed. Edit: wait I'm confused, are you also puckguru? No, I am not. This team has far less talent than the last few years but plays a lot harder and in what appears to be a coherent system. Mistakes are made, but it is different hockey. Fans on here have jumped on every good player when they made mistakes. |
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Post by tendy1989 on Nov 29, 2022 9:13:51 GMT -4
Hearing from individuals close to the the front office that Burns and Trenholm, if moved, are a package deal. They will not be moved to a maritime team however, there are a few middle tier Quebec teams inquiring on the PP1 duo in hopes of gaining a couple rounds in the playoffs as well as championship experience for their young core.
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 29, 2022 9:28:00 GMT -4
Hearing from individuals close to the the front office that Burns and Trenholm, if moved, are a package deal. They will not be moved to a maritime team however, there are a few middle tier Quebec teams inquiring on the PP1 duo in hopes of gaining a couple rounds in the playoffs as well as championship experience for their young core. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Right now, I have a first tier of Veillette, Beaudoin and Doucet with Burns comfortably in the 2nd tier with Johnson, Provost, etc. Trenholm is hard to move, because he's a 19 who is a lock to return and his trade value is unlikely to match his value to us. On top of that, if someone were going to pony up for him, my money would be on Halifax (looking at him as a potential 1.5 year player, if things click there) |
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Post by frogmorton2 on Nov 29, 2022 9:34:05 GMT -4
I do too, obviously a 10th is not worth moving him, I just thought the response was a little heavy-handed. Edit: wait I'm confused, are you also puckguru? No, I am not. This team has far less talent than the last few years but plays a lot harder and in what appears to be a coherent system. Mistakes are made, but it is different hockey. Fans on here have jumped on every good player when they made mistakes. Agree on the system. Was at the Huskies game and even thought the team is very young and raw right now, there is clearly a game plan with the system and the players seem to be sticking to it. Elie and Tivey have been standouts for me in the games I've seen this year. I will say about any possible trade with Halifax it wasn't the GM who said no to Desonyer last year. It was 100% agreed and paperwork done. It was only the Owner of Halifax who saw the reaction online to the trade rumours vetoed the trade. |
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