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Post by Naomi on Dec 13, 2023 10:43:32 GMT -4
I'm really not sure what will happen heading into the trade period. Obviously we are not going to be looking to add pieces to bring more experience on to our team. We are still in certain sell mode and they last few weeks have really made that crystal clear. But I don't know how we can make a big splash at the deadline because the pieces we have to sell aren't necessarily the most valuable assets out there. I really like our 3 20 y/o players. Horth is a guy who has value.... we've debated it significantly on the boards.....but Huckins and Morneau are probably not going to bring in huge returns, unless a team that needs an upgrade at 20 is specifically looking. Huckins' slow start probably has teams a little wary and Morneau is still a relatively new QMJHL player. Both are quality 20 y/o players for lower tier teams.... so we'll not likely see them traded from one lower tier team to another! I know the banter on the boards has been about how likely it is we can land a 1st round pick for Horth....I'm not sure I buy that. I'm a Horth fan. The hardest thing to do in hockey is to score goals and he is good at that. He might be an awesome 20 y/o pickup for a very good team where he lands on a top line with talented players and fills the net. But I know his streaky play is something that makes some fans leery. Remember...there are only 54 available 20 y/o jobs in the league and right now basically everybody has someone in one of those spots. Plus, there's only a small fraction of teams actually looking at improving their 20 y/o talent. I'm looking at that CHA 2024 2nd that Drummondville owns and I'd be probably probably pretty happy to have that come our way if the Volts wanted to upgrade Drew Elliot with Horth. Otherwise, our 19 y/o players really don't move the needle a major way for trade value. Michel is a dependable veteran blueliner, but his offense is very shy of last year's totals. I've mentioned earlier in this thread that Vos is useful player due to his versatility....but nobody will pay big prices for these guys. Hughes is coming around....but realistically, we are probably more likely to build 2024-25 overagers around guys like Michel, Vos, etc.... at least start there....a bird in the hand, right. Kearsey is the guy we have that everybody would be asking about. He's young, has value, and is a great player right now. I'd say there's no way he's traded this season, thought other GMs will inquire with Jim about his availability. But you start the questions around Kearsey.....do we have enough trade capital, picks, and young players to potentially build around a strong team when he is 19? Will he be NHL drafted and playing pro at 20 or will a team be able to benefit from having him as an elite 20 y/o player in major junior? All of these questions we don't have an answer to right now. One thing I wonder about is whether we'd ever consider dangling a goaltender out there in a trade. I don't mean Bickle... I don't really see him having great trade value. Rather, I wonder if a team would have any interest in bringing in Ozols as part of their European mix? It is getting harder and harder to bring in Euros who are ready to play. It almost seems even for those Euros who work out they need a season of development before you really see benefit. Add to the mix how hard it is to find established goaltending talent. Is there a market out there who might be keen on acquiring Ozols to be their #1 next season? I'm not sure there's enough of a track record Ozols has shown for this to be a realistic option. I think he's been better (at least to the eye) than Bickle, but his stats are just fair, even for playing like a weak team like ours. I'd consider dangling him....but the overwhelming likely scenario has him returning as our #1 goaltender next season. It might be a relatively quiet trade session and we might just have to be OK with that. Interesting point on Kearsey. I've been fairly absent from the games for personal reasons (I may open up about more at some point). I really don't know what our long term situation looks like. Kearsey is a great player, already showing tons of leadership and a lot of positive attributes in his game. I know Conrad has a pretty high ceiling and has played very well as a rookie. If trading Kearsey next year could land us big assets in return to really do a solid rebuild, I wouldn't be against that as a plan. I trust that Hulton won't fall into the same pitfalls Savard did with the Rocket. I don't see him building a team that's just good enough to be a relatively entertaining product without being a really legit contender. I'll just have to trust his system and understand that he has the history and record to back up his decisions. Hopefully whatever moves we make this year and next will be ones to give us another amazing run of seasons and maybe finally give us that elusive trophy and banner. |
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Post by countryboy on Dec 13, 2023 10:51:43 GMT -4
Kearsey won't be traded this season.... zero chance.
But if it doesn't look like we can contend when he is 19, he might get traded at Christmas next year..... and he would be a premiere asset on the trade market at that time. 18 y/o Kearsey brings back a good player, a young prospect, and multiple picks.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Dec 13, 2023 10:56:58 GMT -4
I know the banter on the boards has been about how likely it is we can land a 1st round pick for Horth....I'm not sure I buy that. The problem is that debates like this are just silly. People want to argue over value when a minor asset+the player probably gets you that price. And depending on the market it could go in the other direction where it ends up as the 1st+something. Like if I sit here for 6 weeks saying Horth isn't worth a 1st and the final deal is Horth+3rd+6th for 1st+8th who was right? Does your side really care if thats how you get your 1st? I doubt it. Fact is that bigger deals happen all the time with extra parts built in around other conditional deals. People get too hung up on any asset being worth a certain value when the minute you suddenly go +2nd rounder or +3rd rounder the discussion changes. And teams are always willing to move that future 3rd if it means moving up in a current drafts 1st round when rebuilding if thats the add on it takes to get that 1st. |
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Post by Naomi on Dec 13, 2023 10:57:42 GMT -4
I figured he wouldn't be, definitely way too early to make that decision, I was thinking more next year. I wasn't really clear on that, my bad.
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Post by bois on Dec 13, 2023 14:28:19 GMT -4
Yeah i'm not expecting an overly active trade period for us
However secretly i'm hoping for a Hulton pulls a rabbit out of the hat type move
but overall it's likely the least interested in a trade period i've ever been ..... which makes sense being as I rarely go to the games these days so it's not like i'm overly invested in things
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Post by countryboy on Dec 13, 2023 14:46:17 GMT -4
I'd love a rabbit out of hat, but I'm not interested in seeing him spend future assets (i.e. high picks for 2024 or 2025) to bring in a young player. We should be accumulating 2024 and 2025 picks, not spending them. Yeah i'm not expecting an overly active trade period for us However secretly i'm hoping for a Hulton pulls a rabbit out of the hat type move but overall it's likely the least interested in a trade period i've ever been ..... which makes sense being as I rarely go to the games these days so it's not like i'm overly invested in things |
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Post by slickbackgreaser on Dec 13, 2023 14:58:02 GMT -4
If CHA wants to be competitive in 2 years around Michaud, Campbell and Kearsey, having a bunch of picks in those years (2024, 2025) wouldn't make a ton a sense other then pushing the rebuild another 2 years (unless he wants to flip those picks again). Imo, would be best to trade those picks for 16 and 17 yo who can develop quicker with the young core to be competitive in 2025-26. I'd love a rabbit out of hat, but I'm not interested in seeing him spend future assets (i.e. high picks for 2024 or 2025) to bring in a young player. We should be accumulating 2024 and 2025 picks, not spending them. Yeah i'm not expecting an overly active trade period for us However secretly i'm hoping for a Hulton pulls a rabbit out of the hat type move but overall it's likely the least interested in a trade period i've ever been ..... which makes sense being as I rarely go to the games these days so it's not like i'm overly invested in things |
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Post by bois on Dec 13, 2023 15:05:06 GMT -4
As i said i don't expect much major to happen
as for rabbit out of a hat... to me that can be spending future picks for a young core piece or two or the exact opposite moving someone younger for top picks in 24 and 25
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Post by puckstopper on Dec 13, 2023 17:01:44 GMT -4
If CHA wants to be competitive in 2 years around Michaud, Campbell and Kearsey, having a bunch of picks in those years (2024, 2025) wouldn't make a ton a sense other then pushing the rebuild another 2 years (unless he wants to flip those picks again). Imo, would be best to trade those picks for 16 and 17 yo who can develop quicker with the young core to be competitive in 2025-26. I'd love a rabbit out of hat, but I'm not interested in seeing him spend future assets (i.e. high picks for 2024 or 2025) to bring in a young player. We should be accumulating 2024 and 2025 picks, not spending them. Not many teams will want to move a 16/17 who lots of promise right now. You might be able to get one that has played but has not cracked the lineup or is not playing every game. |
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Post by rob16 on Dec 13, 2023 20:57:38 GMT -4
Eddy Doyle from Halifax or Wil Murphy from the Eagles would be two locals who would fit that age group.
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Post by puckstopper on Dec 14, 2023 7:07:58 GMT -4
Eddy Doyle from Halifax or Wil Murphy from the Eagles would be two locals who would fit that age group. If you are looking local maybe Waugh in CB or MacLean in SJ. Both in the league not playing every game so might be able to get them cheap. |
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Post by bois on Dec 14, 2023 7:48:35 GMT -4
We have an abundance of young d in the lineup now i think we should be looking for scoring help ie young forwards as opposed to naming every local defensman on a q roster lol
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Post by slickbackgreaser on Dec 14, 2023 10:58:33 GMT -4
LOOOOL We have an abundance of young d in the lineup now i think we should be looking for scoring help ie young forwards as opposed to naming every local defensman on a q roster lol |
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Post by islander19 on Dec 14, 2023 11:17:52 GMT -4
Yeah, Waugh and MacLean don’t really do anything for us…
I think if you could get Murphy and say a 2nd for Horth, you likely jump on that.
I’m not too familiar with Doyle but it seems like he has a future in the league for sure.
But yeah, scoring is certainly at the top of the wish list.
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Post by hal on Dec 14, 2023 13:40:12 GMT -4
Yeah, Waugh and MacLean don’t really do anything for us… I think if you could get Murphy and say a 2nd for Horth, you likely jump on that. I’m not too familiar with Doyle but it seems like he has a future in the league for sure. But yeah, scoring is certainly at the top of the wish list. I watched Murphy in Camp and the Pre Season , no way in hell would I trade him for Horth . |
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