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Post by countryboy on Dec 14, 2023 13:57:51 GMT -4
Is that statement from a standpoint of an Islanders fan or an Eagles fan? Do you mean as an Eagles fan, giving up Murphy's youth and potential is too much if the return in only Horth? Or are you looking at this like an Islanders fan and saying that Murphy is not enough for Horth? Of course, I know the boxcars for Murphy and Waugh, but I really haven't watched too much of either player. I know Murphy feel in the draft. CB got him at 41 on draft day and I know many Islanders fans had Murphy in mind for selection #20 where we picked Conrad. Murphy is 16 and playing Jr. A, which is an accomplishment. He's 0-5-5 in 23 games, but as a big, physical defenceman, we're not necessarily looking at goals, assists, and points as the most important measure. I've never seen him play so I don't know much beyond this. I've seen Waugh play a couple of times on webcasts and I think he's an interesting young defenceman who could potentially have a solid future in the league. He had a good Jr. A season at 16 with the Caps last year and is maybe buried on the Eagles roster. I'll guess he's your #7 d-man is behind Lavoie and Desjardins, who are both his age but are maybe further along as regular players. I like Waugh, but maybe see him as a bit of an "extra" who could be thrown into a trade. Yeah, Waugh and MacLean don’t really do anything for us… I think if you could get Murphy and say a 2nd for Horth, you likely jump on that. I’m not too familiar with Doyle but it seems like he has a future in the league for sure. But yeah, scoring is certainly at the top of the wish list. I watched Murphy in Camp and the Pre Season , no way in hell would I trade him for Horth . |
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Post by JEagle on Dec 14, 2023 14:55:47 GMT -4
Is that statement from a standpoint of an Islanders fan or an Eagles fan? Do you mean as an Eagles fan, giving up Murphy's youth and potential is too much if the return in only Horth? Or are you looking at this like an Islanders fan and saying that Murphy is not enough for Horth? Of course, I know the boxcars for Murphy and Waugh, but I really haven't watched too much of either player. I know Murphy feel in the draft. CB got him at 41 on draft day and I know many Islanders fans had Murphy in mind for selection #20 where we picked Conrad. Murphy is 16 and playing Jr. A, which is an accomplishment. He's 0-5-5 in 23 games, but as a big, physical defenceman, we're not necessarily looking at goals, assists, and points as the most important measure. I've never seen him play so I don't know much beyond this. I've seen Waugh play a couple of times on webcasts and I think he's an interesting young defenceman who could potentially have a solid future in the league. He had a good Jr. A season at 16 with the Caps last year and is maybe buried on the Eagles roster. I'll guess he's your #7 d-man is behind Lavoie and Desjardins, who are both his age but are maybe further along as regular players. I like Waugh, but maybe see him as a bit of an "extra" who could be thrown into a trade. I watched Murphy in Camp and the Pre Season , no way in hell would I trade him for Horth . Speaking from an Eagles fan point of view I wouldn't trade Waugh or Murphy for a 20 year old period and if Sly did I be absolutely pissed. |
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Post by Score on Dec 14, 2023 17:09:45 GMT -4
As others mentioned, I really don't see the Isles doing much.
They aren't going to trade their 16/17 year olds...
The players that they may dangle....
They MAY look to move a Romeo, Bickle, one of Flanagan/Boudreau...a Horth or Huckins, Hughes......but none of them will bring back a big return....best bet would be Horth bringing back a respectable return.
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Post by rob16 on Dec 14, 2023 17:45:59 GMT -4
I believe you are right in the group of players that would be available, adding Michel to the list and dropping Bickle who has zero value as a 19 year old with an 870 save percentage.A lot of people are guessing at what they think Horths trade value is. I would guestimate a 2nd and 4th.
Would like to see Allan added for 2nd half. I believe Rutledge prefers to stay with Caps and is only available for games the Caps are off.
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Post by Score on Dec 14, 2023 17:51:46 GMT -4
I believe you are right in the group of players that would be available, adding Michel to the list and dropping Bickle who has zero value as a 19 year old with an 870 save percentage.A lot of people are guessing at what they think Horths trade value is. I would guestimate a 2nd and 4th. Would like to see Allan added for 2nd half. I believe Rutledge prefers to stay with Caps and is only available for games the Caps are off. I also would like to see Allen called up for the 2nd half. As an 18yr old, he has nothing left to prove in JrA. He has 21 goals in 21 game played. I added Bickle as an option for a team to have an experienced 19yr old backup netminder. He would definitely be an upgrade for a backup role in Halifax....and I'm sure his #'s would improve on a better team. |
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Post by eagle78 on Dec 14, 2023 20:08:43 GMT -4
Wondering if anyone thinks after this weekend that horth ends up in Cape Breton with shortall going the other way also picks being involved I trade , I could see Hulton liking a shortall type of player
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Post by switchback on Dec 15, 2023 9:17:03 GMT -4
I know it would never happen but I wonder what Rimouski would pay for Kearsey? There hosting the memorial cup and he will be one of the best D men in the league I can see next Xmas if we’re not where we want to be and with our lack of assets I can see that a strong possibility that Kearsey may need to be traded to get us where we need to be
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Post by countryboy on Dec 15, 2023 9:23:32 GMT -4
Something like this will depend a lot on whether Kearsey is NHL drafted this year and projected to be a pro at 20. We will have a better answer to that question this time next year. I know it would never happen but I wonder what Rimouski would pay for Kearsey? There hosting the memorial cup and he will be one of the best D men in the league I can see next Xmas if we’re not where we want to be and with our lack of assets I can see that a strong possibility that Kearsey may need to be traded to get us where we need to be |
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Post by bois on Dec 15, 2023 9:25:20 GMT -4
I know it would never happen but I wonder what Rimouski would pay for Kearsey? There hosting the memorial cup and he will be one of the best D men in the league I can see next Xmas if we’re not where we want to be and with our lack of assets I can see that a strong possibility that Kearsey may need to be traded to get us where we need to be I agree with you one of the things our franchise has historically been poor at is cashing out big on prime assets when we are not in position to contend I don't see enough in our youth thus far to make me think we can put a legit contending team together for Kearsay before he would be an overager (and there is no reason to believe he will still be in the league at 20) so why not cash out on him? Think about what we got for P.O.? Trade Kearsay a year or two earlier than that and possibly in a Memorial Cup year you would get plenty of ammunition to rebuild quickly Love the job Hulton has done overall but you need first round picks and we have moved way too many over his time here |
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Post by Naomi on Dec 15, 2023 9:50:08 GMT -4
I know it would never happen but I wonder what Rimouski would pay for Kearsey? There hosting the memorial cup and he will be one of the best D men in the league I can see next Xmas if we’re not where we want to be and with our lack of assets I can see that a strong possibility that Kearsey may need to be traded to get us where we need to be It's definitely a question I'd consider asking Rimouski. It would suck to lose a really good player like Kearsey, but like someone already said, look at the Joseph trade. |
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Post by countryboy on Dec 15, 2023 10:03:21 GMT -4
I really wonder if an alternate history may have unfolded like this…. …..we acquire Colten Ellis in June 2020 and then add Bailey Peach and Patrick Guay during the 2020-21 season. Then maybe go go all in and add a little more, win the 2021 championship and advance to the Memorial Cup, and then cash in Lukas Cormier and Patrick Guay in 21-22 to kickstart a rebuild. Of course, you have to remember the 20-21 season. There were only about 500 fans allowed at the games. For two months there were no games. Then when games resumed we only played Halifax or Cape Breton. The second half of the playoffs were in a bubble in Quebec. I don’t blame you if you can’t remember. Val-d’Or was also stacked that season. We lost to Victoriaville in the semi finals before Victo beat VD in the final. But the impact of Covid was far reaching that year. Did this experience mean we doubled down for 21-22? Keep Cormier and Guay, pay the price to acquire Simoneau. Address the goaltending by bringing in Frankie at the deadline. We had very little to cash in following that run and it’s been a slow rebuild since. None of this means trade Kearsey……and it’s not happening any time soon, for sure. But he is the asset that we have that brings prospects and picks back in return if he’s traded at 18. I know it would never happen but I wonder what Rimouski would pay for Kearsey? There hosting the memorial cup and he will be one of the best D men in the league I can see next Xmas if we’re not where we want to be and with our lack of assets I can see that a strong possibility that Kearsey may need to be traded to get us where we need to be I agree with you one of the things our franchise has historically been poor at is cashing out big on prime assets when we are not in position to contend I don't see enough in our youth thus far to make me think we can put a legit contending team together for Kearsay before he would be an overager (and there is no reason to believe he will still be in the league at 20) so why not cash out on him? Think about what we got for P.O.? Trade Kearsay a year or two earlier than that and possibly in a Memorial Cup year you would get plenty of ammunition to rebuild quickly Love the job Hulton has done overall but you need first round picks and we have moved way too many over his time here |
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Post by bois on Dec 15, 2023 10:51:21 GMT -4
I remember very well
and yeah Covid hurt alot of teams in many ways... tho I do believe we had the better team the year we made it to the finals but your alternate reality is interesting to consider
the point is aside from Joseph who we reaped great rewards from we really have failed to cash in on most of our other prized assets and we spent way too much on Colten Ellis as good as he was... if he had been 19 then i'd have been ok with it but to spend what we did on a 20 year old in the midst of a pandemic was a bit rich
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Post by BecauseItsTheQ on Dec 15, 2023 11:07:24 GMT -4
I remember very well and yeah Covid hurt alot of teams in many ways... tho I do believe we had the better team the year we made it to the finals but your alternate reality is interesting to consider the point is aside from Joseph who we reaped great rewards from we really have failed to cash in on most of our other prized assets and we spent way too much on Colten Ellis as good as he was... if he had been 19 then i'd have been ok with it but to spend what we did on a 20 year old in the midst of a pandemic was a bit rich Hindsight is 20/20 when it comes to Colten Ellis. When the trade was made in June 2020, did any of us truthfully know the 2020-2021 season would unfold the way it did? Had they had a normal season, we may look at that Ellis trade completely differently. |
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Post by countryboy on Dec 15, 2023 11:19:37 GMT -4
Simoneau was a very expensive 20 too. I love the player. I hope to see him in the NHL soon. But we did have Bailey Peach in hand, we walked him, and he led his WHL team in scoring. I’m not saying I’d go back and do it different….bit it is what it is. I can still love Simoneau and also mention he made 2 ghastly mistakes late in the post season which had an impact on how the final played out. Shawinigan was an awesome team but losing that series still hurts me even today. I remember very well and yeah Covid hurt alot of teams in many ways... tho I do believe we had the better team the year we made it to the finals but your alternate reality is interesting to consider the point is aside from Joseph who we reaped great rewards from we really have failed to cash in on most of our other prized assets and we spent way too much on Colten Ellis as good as he was... if he had been 19 then i'd have been ok with it but to spend what we did on a 20 year old in the midst of a pandemic was a bit rich |
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Post by bois on Dec 15, 2023 11:25:53 GMT -4
I remember very well and yeah Covid hurt alot of teams in many ways... tho I do believe we had the better team the year we made it to the finals but your alternate reality is interesting to consider the point is aside from Joseph who we reaped great rewards from we really have failed to cash in on most of our other prized assets and we spent way too much on Colten Ellis as good as he was... if he had been 19 then i'd have been ok with it but to spend what we did on a 20 year old in the midst of a pandemic was a bit rich Hindsight is 20/20 when it comes to Colten Ellis. When the trade was made in June 2020, did any of us truthfully know the 2020-2021 season would unfold the way it did? Had they had a normal season, we may look at that Ellis trade completely differently. Hindsight is always 20/20 covid hit us in spring of 2020 we acquired Colten Ellis in June so yeah we probably had a pretty good idea hockey wasn't goin back to normal in 2020/21 season |
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