galixon
Blue-Chip Prospect
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Post by galixon on May 29, 2024 19:25:14 GMT -4
I don't think SJ needs a high pick if Mateiko ends up being traded specially in this year draft, not much worth risking for. I see more like a 1 to 2 player trade between anyone who wants him (and future low pick). Someone who can add some goals on the board Still wondering who from last season will not return, couple of uncertain from what I heard. I could see value like: Gabe Smith + 2nd from Moncton Cape Breton could offer picks, players, or Mateiko could be used to move up Chicoutimi would likely be straight picks Yeah I think Moncton makes the most sense, and even Cape to some extent. Moncton really needs a high-end euro player |
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Post by iraca on May 30, 2024 7:41:27 GMT -4
Seems to be a mjor shakeup in the administrative offices as job posting for a number of sales, ticket relationship, and senior admin position. I guess this means Andree is not there any more?  |
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Post by Briwhel on May 30, 2024 8:04:24 GMT -4
Seems to be a mjor shakeup in the administrative offices as job posting for a number of sales, ticket relationship, and senior admin position. I guess this means Andree is not there any more? I can't say that I'm surprised with attendance being as poor as it has been. |
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Post by pong on May 30, 2024 16:38:26 GMT -4
Seems to be a mjor shakeup in the administrative offices as job posting for a number of sales, ticket relationship, and senior admin position. I guess this means Andree is not there any more? Did Andree move to the entertainment sister company with Trevor? |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on May 30, 2024 16:40:31 GMT -4
Seems to be a mjor shakeup in the administrative offices as job posting for a number of sales, ticket relationship, and senior admin position. I guess this means Andree is not there any more? I can't say that I'm surprised with attendance being as poor as it has been. Can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit either. Let’s face it. The quality of hockey for the entire league has gone down. The prices have gone up. SJSD hockey has been terrible since winning the Memorial Cup. Anyone would have trouble selling tickets considering these factors. |
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Post by qfan24 on May 31, 2024 7:07:43 GMT -4
I can't say that I'm surprised with attendance being as poor as it has been. Can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit either. Let’s face it. The quality of hockey for the entire league has gone down. The prices have gone up. SJSD hockey has been terrible since winning the Memorial Cup. Anyone would have trouble selling tickets considering these factors. Price is up on everything even if the team has been having some difficulties , which is part or any rebuild, attendance could probably be better. Quebec didn't even made the playoff and they had the best attendance all year (or close to). Not sure why you say that quality has decreased all over the league, I just don't see it...I guess I disagree with everything you say lol !! |
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Post by Judas In My Mind on May 31, 2024 8:06:56 GMT -4
Can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit either. Let’s face it. The quality of hockey for the entire league has gone down. The prices have gone up. SJSD hockey has been terrible since winning the Memorial Cup. Anyone would have trouble selling tickets considering these factors. Price is up on everything even if the team has been having some difficulties , which is part or any rebuild, attendance could probably be better. Quebec didn't even made the playoff and they had the best attendance all year (or close to). Not sure why you say that quality has decreased all over the league, I just don't see it...I guess I disagree with everything you say lol !! You actually agree with most of what I said. Prices have gone up. You then say prices have gone up on everything...so we're agreeing. I only talked about hockey related costs because oh...we're on a hockey board. I said SJSD have been terrible since winning the Memorial Cup...I don't know how you can argue that one. Check the win/loss record. I have no idea how long you've watched the Q regularly. I dont find it as entertaining as 5, 10, 15, however many years ago. Maybe you do, and thats great, but providing QUEBEC as your example is insane, seeing they lead the league in attendance every year, whether they are favorites or bottom feeders. The point being with high costs and a terrible team that lacks any top prospect power to draw fans in, tickets in SJ have been a super hard sell. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 31, 2024 8:07:24 GMT -4
Can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit either. Let’s face it. The quality of hockey for the entire league has gone down. The prices have gone up. SJSD hockey has been terrible since winning the Memorial Cup. Anyone would have trouble selling tickets considering these factors. Price is up on everything even if the team has been having some difficulties , which is part or any rebuild, attendance could probably be better. Quebec didn't even made the playoff and they had the best attendance all year (or close to). Not sure why you say that quality has decreased all over the league, I just don't see it...I guess I disagree with everything you say lol !! You can disagree but you'd be in the minority and I would guess you are younger and weren't really into the league 15-20+ years ago. When people say the quality has decreased they can make a pretty strong argument. Here are some examples: #1 the leagues European situation used to be better. The league capped spending for the big teams. So you don't see any Radulov's and a lot less Voracek's and other high end Europeans. #2 the leagues American situation used to be better. The league capped spending for the big teams. Who would pick a top American used to add intrigue to the high end of a draft. The league missed out on Jack Eichel because of this for example. #3 is the style change. Every team used to roll into town with 2 guys who could barely skate sitting on the end of their bench. Many teams had a shit disturbing type. The combination of all those personalities added a certain level of intrigue. And this fact can't be denied: Fighting is entertaining. Hockey fans mostly enjoy watching 2 players fight. So while the game is 100% now safer and everyone understands why. And the small market teams no matter have to worry about Quebec and Halifax bringing over high end international players to the league. Combine all of it being removed while ticket prices go up 20-30-40% over time and its damn obvious why anyone who was a fan say 20 years ago might be sitting there watching a bad team with no draft picks and nobody in other markets worth getting excited for and thinking this just isn't the same level of entertainment as it used to be. |
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Post by scotiahockey on May 31, 2024 8:42:43 GMT -4
Price is up on everything even if the team has been having some difficulties , which is part or any rebuild, attendance could probably be better. Quebec didn't even made the playoff and they had the best attendance all year (or close to). Not sure why you say that quality has decreased all over the league, I just don't see it...I guess I disagree with everything you say lol !! You can disagree but you'd be in the minority and I would guess you are younger and weren't really into the league 15-20+ years ago. When people say the quality has decreased they can make a pretty strong argument. Here are some examples: #1 the leagues European situation used to be better. The league capped spending for the big teams. So you don't see any Radulov's and a lot less Voracek's and other high end Europeans. #2 the leagues American situation used to be better. The league capped spending for the big teams. Who would pick a top American used to add intrigue to the high end of a draft. The league missed out on Jack Eichel because of this for example. #3 is the style change. Every team used to roll into town with 2 guys who could barely skate sitting on the end of their bench. Many teams had a shit disturbing type. The combination of all those personalities added a certain level of intrigue. And this fact can't be denied: Fighting is entertaining. Hockey fans mostly enjoy watching 2 players fight. So while the game is 100% now safer and everyone understands why. And the small market teams no matter have to worry about Quebec and Halifax bringing over high end international players to the league. Combine all of it being removed while ticket prices go up 20-30-40% over time and its damn obvious why anyone who was a fan say 20 years ago might be sitting there watching a bad team with no draft picks and nobody in other markets worth getting excited for and thinking this just isn't the same level of entertainment as it used to be. The quality of the league is the biggest issue for me. There’s just too many teams. The Euro cap is a problem, the fact more European teams seem willing to give young kids bigger roles earlier, also adds to that issue. Why come across the pond and develop here, when you can get good ice time and develop closer to home? There’s seemingly more high end players going to the NCAA, the USHL quality has improved dramatically and the draft rules benefit kids who might need a couple extra years to develop. Why would any team use a mid-late round pick on a CHL player and have to make a decision on them at 19 when you can take a guy NCAA bound and not have to make that same decision until they’re 21/22? If the ultimate goal of these kids is to move onto the next level or give themselves the best shot at it, it would seem to make sense that you’d strongly look at the NCAA if that option exists because it just affords you more time to develop and catch the intrigue of NHL teams. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 31, 2024 9:06:46 GMT -4
You can disagree but you'd be in the minority and I would guess you are younger and weren't really into the league 15-20+ years ago. When people say the quality has decreased they can make a pretty strong argument. Here are some examples: #1 the leagues European situation used to be better. The league capped spending for the big teams. So you don't see any Radulov's and a lot less Voracek's and other high end Europeans. #2 the leagues American situation used to be better. The league capped spending for the big teams. Who would pick a top American used to add intrigue to the high end of a draft. The league missed out on Jack Eichel because of this for example. #3 is the style change. Every team used to roll into town with 2 guys who could barely skate sitting on the end of their bench. Many teams had a shit disturbing type. The combination of all those personalities added a certain level of intrigue. And this fact can't be denied: Fighting is entertaining. Hockey fans mostly enjoy watching 2 players fight. So while the game is 100% now safer and everyone understands why. And the small market teams no matter have to worry about Quebec and Halifax bringing over high end international players to the league. Combine all of it being removed while ticket prices go up 20-30-40% over time and its damn obvious why anyone who was a fan say 20 years ago might be sitting there watching a bad team with no draft picks and nobody in other markets worth getting excited for and thinking this just isn't the same level of entertainment as it used to be. The quality of the league is the biggest issue for me. There’s just too many teams. The Euro cap is a problem, the fact more European teams seem willing to give young kids bigger roles earlier, also adds to that issue. Why come across the pond and develop here, when you can get good ice time and develop closer to home? There’s seemingly more high end players going to the NCAA, the USHL quality has improved dramatically and the draft rules benefit kids who might need a couple extra years to develop. Why would any team use a mid-late round pick on a CHL player and have to make a decision on them at 19 when you can take a guy NCAA bound and not have to make that same decision until they’re 21/22? If the ultimate goal of these kids is to move onto the next level or give themselves the best shot at it, it would seem to make sense that you’d strongly look at the NCAA if that option exists because it just affords you more time to develop and catch the intrigue of NHL teams. I wouldn't even allow a teenager to play in the Q until they're 17yr old season and even then it would only be for a handful of markets. Unless you're a high end kid on the fast track to pro hockey there's little reason to go through the CHL route if you have a realistic American option. The NHL draft rules just make the analytics point to that longer path via the NCAA making more sense vs needing to be AHL ready at 20 or go the CIS route. |
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Post by joehockey on May 31, 2024 9:14:07 GMT -4
The quality of the league is the biggest issue for me. There’s just too many teams. The Euro cap is a problem, the fact more European teams seem willing to give young kids bigger roles earlier, also adds to that issue. Why come across the pond and develop here, when you can get good ice time and develop closer to home? There’s seemingly more high end players going to the NCAA, the USHL quality has improved dramatically and the draft rules benefit kids who might need a couple extra years to develop. Why would any team use a mid-late round pick on a CHL player and have to make a decision on them at 19 when you can take a guy NCAA bound and not have to make that same decision until they’re 21/22? If the ultimate goal of these kids is to move onto the next level or give themselves the best shot at it, it would seem to make sense that you’d strongly look at the NCAA if that option exists because it just affords you more time to develop and catch the intrigue of NHL teams. I wouldn't even allow a teenager to play in the Q until they're 17yr old season and even then it would only be for a handful of markets. Unless you're a high end kid on the fast track to pro hockey there's little reason to go through the CHL route if you have a realistic American option. The NHL draft rules just make the analytics point to that longer path via the NCAA making more sense vs needing to be AHL ready at 20 or go the CIS route. It won’t be much longer until CHL players can go to the NCAA. So that may help improve the product and keep some guys in Major Junior and make the Q a bit more interesting for Americans. I don’t see any way the NCAA could keep them out at this point. The NCAA just agreed that power 5 schools can pay athletes directly - I bet they make an agreement sooner than later so that they don’t lose in court again. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 31, 2024 9:21:38 GMT -4
I wouldn't even allow a teenager to play in the Q until they're 17yr old season and even then it would only be for a handful of markets. Unless you're a high end kid on the fast track to pro hockey there's little reason to go through the CHL route if you have a realistic American option. The NHL draft rules just make the analytics point to that longer path via the NCAA making more sense vs needing to be AHL ready at 20 or go the CIS route. It won’t be much longer until CHL players can go to the NCAA. So that may help improve the product and keep some guys in Canada before going to the US. I don’t see any way the NCAA could keep them out at this point. The NCAA just agreed that power 5 schools can pay athletes directly - I bet they make an agreement sooner than later so that they don’t lose in court again. That will not improve this product. If the end result is them going to the US at 17/18/19 that doesnt help the CHL at all. We need more talented 18/19/20yr olds not more 16/17yr olds with a goal of not staying here. If the CHL doesn't change its rules to be more aggressive on player recruiting and let the big markets spend their revenue on hockey players then the CHL is on the verge of becoming what Jr. A used to be while the NCAA becomes the NHL's main development and feeder system. |
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Post by sjsdfan on May 31, 2024 9:37:07 GMT -4
3 or 4 good local kids i'd love to see the SeaDogs have a look at next weekend.
Murphy
Rogerson
Clark
Smith
Murphy likely the only one that could make the jump this year but I still think having some local kids helps the franchise. Hopefully the Dogs take one of them.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 31, 2024 9:43:42 GMT -4
3 or 4 good local kids i'd love to see the SeaDogs have a look at next weekend. Murphy Rogerson Clark Smith Murphy likely the only one that could make the jump this year but I still think having some local kids helps the franchise. Hopefully the Dogs take one of them. Having locals both helps and hurts. There's added spotlight on the player. And if they team doesn't treat the player well there will be a local backlash by the players supporters. Ultimately talented kids who want to play for your team and have success is what helps the franchise. Whether they're raised in Quispamsis or Summerside or Cheticamp really doesn't matter at all to 99% of the people buying tickets to watch Q games. And here is a truth: Cut the kid from out of province and nobody notices. Someone better beat them out becomes the narrative. Cut the local kid and someone notices. The local team not giving the local kid a fair shot becomes the narrative. Not from all but definitely from someone which in a local area in a league that has peaks and valleys with cycles and attendance can definitely be a negative in terms of the perception of the team in the local market. |
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Post by ysj28 on May 31, 2024 9:50:52 GMT -4
Rumor at the Qplex last night is that Sam Oliver is on his way to the Sea Dogs next weekend.
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