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Post by fanofthegame on May 31, 2024 10:51:06 GMT -4
The quality of the league is the biggest issue for me. There’s just too many teams. The Euro cap is a problem, the fact more European teams seem willing to give young kids bigger roles earlier, also adds to that issue. Why come across the pond and develop here, when you can get good ice time and develop closer to home? There’s seemingly more high end players going to the NCAA, the USHL quality has improved dramatically and the draft rules benefit kids who might need a couple extra years to develop. Why would any team use a mid-late round pick on a CHL player and have to make a decision on them at 19 when you can take a guy NCAA bound and not have to make that same decision until they’re 21/22? If the ultimate goal of these kids is to move onto the next level or give themselves the best shot at it, it would seem to make sense that you’d strongly look at the NCAA if that option exists because it just affords you more time to develop and catch the intrigue of NHL teams. I wouldn't even allow a teenager to play in the Q until they're 17yr old season and even then it would only be for a handful of markets. Unless you're a high end kid on the fast track to pro hockey there's little reason to go through the CHL route if you have a realistic American option. The NHL draft rules just make the analytics point to that longer path via the NCAA making more sense vs needing to be AHL ready at 20 or go the CIS route. Realistic American option? What exactly is that? I think most are naive on the U.S. path and what it takes financially to make that happen. For every CHL player, there is an American option, but you had better have some serious cash. |
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Post by fanofthegame on May 31, 2024 10:54:51 GMT -4
Rumor at the Qplex last night is that Sam Oliver is on his way to the Sea Dogs next weekend. Awesome for the Sea Dogs if true. Sam will be an excellent 20 year old. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 31, 2024 10:58:22 GMT -4
I wouldn't even allow a teenager to play in the Q until they're 17yr old season and even then it would only be for a handful of markets. Unless you're a high end kid on the fast track to pro hockey there's little reason to go through the CHL route if you have a realistic American option. The NHL draft rules just make the analytics point to that longer path via the NCAA making more sense vs needing to be AHL ready at 20 or go the CIS route. Realistic American option? What exactly is that? I think most are naive on the U.S. path and what it takes financially to make that happen. For every CHL player, there is an American option, but you had better have some serious cash. It's exactly what it states it is. A realistic option. Yeah you're right that if you've never been recruited and have no money that its not realistic. Now put yourself in the shoes of the highly ranked kids in every draft who are getting financial offers to go south. If the only realistic path is for the top 50 kids in our draft...what does the draft even look like? If my #1 overall pick can just go to the NCAA in 24 months why am I drafting him? Why should fans get excited for high end players who will leave? Its naive to think every hockey player can play in the US. And its even more naive to think that the highest end kids who drive the interest as future pro's fans want to pay to see won't have all those financial offers to make their lives very easy during the transition to NCAA life. You only need the cash if you're not on the radar and still trying to get there. For the high end kids it won't matter where their parents income level is. |
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Post by fanofthegame on May 31, 2024 11:39:08 GMT -4
It is not that simple, very few and I mean very few are on a 100% free ride and even then there are costs.
You said unless you are a high end kid on a fast track to pro, you would not go CHL...if that's the case you had better have some cash to fill the 3 year gap. Who pays for the fall and spring seasons when your U.S. prep ride only covers your winter season? Kids are playing an extra 25 games and 5-6 showcase tournaments outside the Prep season on their own dime. How about the 8-10 hour drive 5 times a year to watch him play in U.S. or the College visits that require multiple trips and funds...cha ching!
It's a huge financial commitment that most don't understand unless you have lived it.
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Post by Jack Bauer on May 31, 2024 11:58:51 GMT -4
It is not that simple, very few and I mean very few are on a 100% free ride and even then there are costs. You said unless you are a high end kid on a fast track to pro, you would not go CHL...if that's the case you had better have some cash to fill the 3 year gap. Who pays for the fall and spring seasons when your U.S. prep ride only covers your winter season? Kids are playing an extra 25 games and 5-6 showcase tournaments outside the Prep season on their own dime. How about the 8-10 hour drive 5 times a year to watch him play in U.S. or the College visits that require multiple trips and funds...cha ching! It's a huge financial commitment that most don't understand unless you have lived it. The high end kids from Canada will get free ride's. They literally just changed the game around NCAA spending. And we're to believe that the NCAA will not spend more on players to attract higher end talent? This isn't about an 8th round pick getting a free ride. It's a 2nd overall getting the free ride. The cascading effect on the Q will be disaster if they don't do anything to prevent their players from leaving. And the least of the parents worries will be a road trip to Boston to watch an NCAA weekend. No different then Halifax flying in some Quebec based parents 2-3x per year. You're just not seeing the situation for what it is if you think this is about college visits and multiple hour road trips going to cost parents in Canada money where the CHL won't. The NCAA free ride and added development time is a huge advantage the CHL keeps making harder on itself while the NCAA is now making it easier on itself. The CHL either adapts or becomes a secondary development path. |
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Post by scotiahockey on May 31, 2024 15:12:17 GMT -4
The quality of the league is the biggest issue for me. There’s just too many teams. The Euro cap is a problem, the fact more European teams seem willing to give young kids bigger roles earlier, also adds to that issue. Why come across the pond and develop here, when you can get good ice time and develop closer to home? There’s seemingly more high end players going to the NCAA, the USHL quality has improved dramatically and the draft rules benefit kids who might need a couple extra years to develop. Why would any team use a mid-late round pick on a CHL player and have to make a decision on them at 19 when you can take a guy NCAA bound and not have to make that same decision until they’re 21/22? If the ultimate goal of these kids is to move onto the next level or give themselves the best shot at it, it would seem to make sense that you’d strongly look at the NCAA if that option exists because it just affords you more time to develop and catch the intrigue of NHL teams. I wouldn't even allow a teenager to play in the Q until they're 17yr old season and even then it would only be for a handful of markets. Unless you're a high end kid on the fast track to pro hockey there's little reason to go through the CHL route if you have a realistic American option. The NHL draft rules just make the analytics point to that longer path via the NCAA making more sense vs needing to be AHL ready at 20 or go the CIS route. You need to be very elite or have absolutely no chance academically for it to make sense to burn the NCAA card at 16. That changes on a player to player basis but as a general rule, IMO with the structure and set up of the rules, you’re best off to hold off as long as possible before making a decision. Even if you are an elite kid, the draft rules might really push you towards the NCAA route anyways. There’s lots of players that aren’t ready at 18 to play pro hockey but ready at 19. If you come to the CHL prior to being drafted, you’re stuck to either the NHL or back to junior. You can take advantage of the rules by going to the USHL or BCHL, come to the CHL at 18 if that’s what the team/player decides is best for development and still leave the door open to starting your career early. I love the CHL and always will but it’s easy to see why players are so open to exploring the other route. The rules and development aspect of it, almost push you there. |
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Post by Briwhel on Jun 3, 2024 8:12:27 GMT -4
It's draft week...
In a perfect world, we use our Import pick (or 2, depending on what is out there and if we can find homes for Mateiko and Simek).
We acquire an overaged forward (playing centre would be a bonus)
Given the likelihood that we end up with a D in our first few picks, we move one of our non-OA D (either for someone younger who can be a 6-7-8 this year and develop or for a forward who might just need a fresh start).
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Post by ysj28 on Jun 3, 2024 8:14:41 GMT -4
We acquire an overaged forward (playing centre would be a bonus) This trade will happen this week - not sure if it will be tomorrow or Friday. The team also needs an equipment manager, but that won't be happening from the draft.  |
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Post by Briwhel on Jun 3, 2024 8:27:17 GMT -4
Doing a little bit of hypothetical projections:
Let's say that the Oliver rumor is true. Let's say that we find a home for Mateiko and use our pick and keep Simek. Let's say that we move one of the D (in this case, I will use Bilodeau because of his age). Note: I am assuming picks in all deals, because projecting with players is more difficult, but players could easily be involved.
Note: I am going to use Billy's mock (https://qmjhleast.proboards.com/post/789193) but I will substitute for Rozzi (because his brother didn't report, so I am going on the assumption that the younger brother won't either).
New Import - Oliver - Beveridge
Peddle - Miller - Yared
Simek - Groulx - Lottin
Reynolds - Beaulieu - Beaudry
Calder Beaudoin
Tivey - Mann (Ianniello)
Amyot - Duhamel
Richard - MacLean
2nd rounder (there are a lot of D that should theoretically be available at 26)
Robinson
Girard/Monaco/(one of the NCAA leaning kids we drafted last year)/trade/invite
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Post by Briwhel on Jun 3, 2024 10:51:04 GMT -4
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Post by davo1997 on Jun 3, 2024 11:27:58 GMT -4
I predict they will take Chartrand at 5 and Litalien at 8 Maybe tynan lawrence i can see him doing what his brother did |
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Post by JEagle on Jun 3, 2024 15:56:23 GMT -4
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Post by JEagle on Jun 3, 2024 17:43:37 GMT -4
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Post by eagle78 on Jun 3, 2024 17:57:48 GMT -4
i wonder if the eagles are in on him |
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Post by JEagle on Jun 3, 2024 18:00:35 GMT -4
i wonder if the eagles are in on him Said potentially every contender so I'd assume at least preliminary talks were had. |
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