|
|
Post by sc74 on Jul 4, 2024 9:55:28 GMT -4
sounds like the Radivojevic pick is more for next year hopefully not sure why they would go another dman route with the 2nd pick but whatever offense is still gonna be a big question mark this year I guess it might depend on what kind of icetime he has with the SHL team. |
|
|
|
Post by countryboy on Jul 4, 2024 22:51:50 GMT -4
I'm not overly optimistic that we ever see Radivojevic in an Islanders lineup.
Realistically, he probably gets more draft exposure playing pro in Sweden than he would playing major junior on the east coast. The disappointing results from QMJHL players in the past NHL draft draw attention to a problem this league has.....the scouts just aren't following our league as closely as they are following the other major junior leagues in Canada or the USHL.
Professional hockey in Sweden is a good pathway for a strong prospect such as Radivojevic. The only way we become an option is if there are issues with icetime and/or his role on the pro team with older teammates and opponents.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 9:54:38 GMT -4
Why not pick a better choice when you’re drafting 10th overall if this kid is such a long shot why take the chance and waste a pick? This franchise is starting to mimic the franchise they were before the Islanders
|
|
|
|
Post by islander19 on Jul 6, 2024 10:38:34 GMT -4
Why not pick a better choice when you’re drafting 10th overall if this kid is such a long shot why take the chance and waste a pick? This franchise is starting to mimic the franchise they were before the Islanders Not true at all…I think it’s a calculated risk. Jim knows his dad so obviously there’s a slim chance he comes over at some point. It’s not just some player they’ve never talked to before drafting |
|
|
|
Post by Score on Jul 6, 2024 11:05:37 GMT -4
I see both sides.
Yes, he is long shot to play in Charlottetown. However, with the connection Jim has with the Family, and with the skill of the player....i understand the pick.
Saying so, select him with their 2nd pick.
With the #10 pick....grab someone who WILL be coming over....a player who can play top 6 or top 4 on the backend.
Their 2nd pick is someone that I currently am not high on.....I hope that I'm wrong, but I don't have high hopes.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 11:46:34 GMT -4
Why not pick a better choice when you’re drafting 10th overall if this kid is such a long shot why take the chance and waste a pick? This franchise is starting to mimic the franchise they were before the Islanders Not true at all…I think it’s a calculated risk. Jim knows his dad so obviously there’s a slim chance he comes over at some point. It’s not just some player they’ve never talked to before drafting When you have a top 10 pick you go with the sure thing and leave the calculated risk for the second pick |
|
|
|
Post by countryboy on Jul 6, 2024 12:55:25 GMT -4
I don’t expect we would get Radivojevic with our second pick. Teams are routinely taking a flier on talent in this draft.
|
|
|
|
Post by bois on Jul 8, 2024 7:50:10 GMT -4
It doesn't really matter... if we somehow wind up with the player in our lineup great but if we do not and if the second pick is not someone that makes an impact we have essentially wasted two years of Euro picks when we were rebuilding...... when we had few top picks in the actual draft.... those are the times you need to land a player not take a calculated risk
Just my opinion
|
|
|
|
Post by countryboy on Jul 8, 2024 9:40:29 GMT -4
This year is probably not the year for a 20 y/o Euro to be in our lineup. It’s going to be a challenge for the 17 y/o Russian. He’s coming over as an unknown commodity and is trying to secure a spot in probsbly the deepest part of our lineup. I guess at least for his sake it is fortunate that 20 y/o Goriunov will be here and he has lived in NA for the past 3 seasons. But should Voyaga not cover the bet, then there a strong possibility that Goriunov is our only Euro this season and we start from scratch again next year. If Radiojevic arrives he likely moves to the top of our defensive depth chart immediately. It’s a risk for sure. We have to see how this plays out. Here’s a question……let’s say Radivojevic does not report, plays the season in Sweden, then gets drafted by an NHL team in the 2025 draft. Can we place Radivojevic on the “special list” and draft an additional Euro? Or, for that “special list” does the Euro you are protecting need to be a guy you actually have on your team the previous season? I think we only had Michkov on our list for one season…his 17 y/o season. But the conditions for going on the “special list” are centred around being NHL drafted or being 20….Michkov is a late birthday so Philly didn’t pick him until after his 18 y/o season. It doesn't really matter... if we somehow wind up with the player in our lineup great but if we do not and if the second pick is not someone that makes an impact we have essentially wasted two years of Euro picks when we were rebuilding...... when we had few top picks in the actual draft.... those are the times you need to land a player not take a calculated risk Just my opinion |
|
|
|
Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 8, 2024 10:49:09 GMT -4
This year is probably not the year for a 20 y/o Euro to be in our lineup. It’s going to be a challenge for the 17 y/o Russian. He’s coming over as an unknown commodity and is trying to secure a spot in probsbly the deepest part of our lineup. I guess at least for his sake it is fortunate that 20 y/o Goriunov will be here and he has lived in NA for the past 3 seasons. But should Voyaga not cover the bet, then there a strong possibility that Goriunov is our only Euro this season and we start from scratch again next year. If Radiojevic arrives he likely moves to the top of our defensive depth chart immediately. It’s a risk for sure. We have to see how this plays out. Here’s a question……let’s say Radivojevic does not report, plays the season in Sweden, then gets drafted by an NHL team in the 2025 draft. Can we place Radivojevic on the “special list” and draft an additional Euro? Or, for that “special list” does the Euro you are protecting need to be a guy you actually have on your team the previous season? I think we only had Michkov on our list for one season…his 17 y/o season. But the conditions for going on the “special list” are centred around being NHL drafted or being 20….Michkov is a late birthday so Philly didn’t pick him until after his 18 y/o season. It doesn't really matter... if we somehow wind up with the player in our lineup great but if we do not and if the second pick is not someone that makes an impact we have essentially wasted two years of Euro picks when we were rebuilding...... when we had few top picks in the actual draft.... those are the times you need to land a player not take a calculated risk Just my opinion Issue is that the rules change constantly. It used to be that if you draft someone and they don't report they go on the special list. I believe that hasn't changed. Gambling a top pick on someone who won't report is just a blow to the fan base who thinks high picks need to put talented players on the ice. Personally I don't see how management can pick someone not committed to reporting over the many who would yet also stand in front of season ticket renewals and say they did their best to build a team. There's a balance there for sure. For me that balance is gambling 2nd rounders in the import draft but every year it seems like some smaller market team takes this "grand slam" swing and it doesn't always work out. Seeing guys not report an be NHL drafted and then come over happens but its rare. Especially since AHL is an option. These are the kinds of decisions that do long term damage in the market as mediocre seasons pile up. Drafting the Kovalchuk's and Nemec's never did anything to help things in CB here that's for sure. I'll always say the worst import who will report will always be better for a franchise then the best player who won't. You can't work with what you don't have. At 10th overall you should expect at minimum someone with the potential to develop into a future top 6 forward, top 4 defenceman, or #1 goaltender. Definitely 17 or 18 years old. And in a rebuild positioning doesn't even matter as much since we know part of a Q rebuild is shifting assets to fill holes. To come away with nothing should be frustrating for fans. |
|
|
|
Post by countryboy on Jul 8, 2024 11:04:27 GMT -4
And especially concerning is that we picked at 14th last year, drafted a 6’3” 17 y/o centre and then after 1 season we walked him.
I
|
|
|
|
Post by bois on Jul 8, 2024 11:09:54 GMT -4
And especially concerning is that we picked at 14th last year, drafted a 6’3” 17 y/o centre and then after 1 season we walked him. I this however walking from him was the right move but not if you aren't gonna fill the slot i didn't hear of anyone else drafting him... kid simply could not skate at a major junior level |
|
|
|
Post by countryboy on Jul 8, 2024 12:02:00 GMT -4
I think we should have worked harder with Maruna last season.
Basically, when he fell out of favour (Butler more or less ate his lunch and grabbed the 2C spot) Maruna alternated between 4th line wing and the press box. We drafted him as an offensive centre and tried to use him elsewhere in the lineup.
Of course, he has to cover the bet on his end, and if someone takes his job, so be it. That’s competitive sports. But with the long game in mind I would have liked to see more of an effort to use him in an offensive role as a C.
It will be interesting to see how he progresses this season, I assume playing in Slovakia.
|
|
|
|
Post by kyle52 on Jul 8, 2024 12:57:39 GMT -4
I think we should have worked harder with Maruna last season. Basically, when he fell out of favour (Butler more or less ate his lunch and grabbed the 2C spot) Maruna alternated between 4th line wing and the press box. We drafted him as an offensive centre and tried to use him elsewhere in the lineup. Of course, he has to cover the bet on his end, and if someone takes his job, so be it. That’s competitive sports. But with the long game in mind I would have liked to see more of an effort to use him in an offensive role as a C. It will be interesting to see how he progresses this season, I assume playing in Slovakia. To make things worse, at the start of the season he showed a lot of potential. It's a shame he wasn't able to keep up that pace, though he did look better in the (very short) playoffs. |
|
|
|
Post by scotiahockey on Jul 8, 2024 13:34:38 GMT -4
And especially concerning is that we picked at 14th last year, drafted a 6’3” 17 y/o centre and then after 1 season we walked him. I this however walking from him was the right move but not if you aren't gonna fill the slot i didn't hear of anyone else drafting him... kid simply could not skate at a major junior level The Euro draft doesn’t bring the talent it used too, younger guys are better than ever and getting shots in leagues they wouldn’t have in the past. The necessity to come over here for exposure and playing time doesn’t exist like it once did. You need to exercise patience with these young guys because you’re not drafting them for what they can do at 17, you’re doing it for what they could become at 19. Unless you have 2 studs coming and committed. I’d have kept Maruna for another year, see what he could do at 18 and maybe he’s a player or you walk away after his 18 year but to just give up on him for 1 season of Goryunov and a 2nd round Euro player, after a long shot pick in Round 1 is bad asset management to me. You’re basically going to be back in the same spot next year. |
|
