average size of east teams

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billy said:

gongshow said:

Wasn't it Clem Jodoin himself that mentionned that last years edition of the Mainiacs main problem at the Mem Cup was size?It was quite obvious that they were no match physically for the other teams participating.

I agree that you don't want a whole team of 6'3 220lbs gorillas,but its two sides to a coin....you don't want too many guys that can't win one on one battles either.

Anaheim had lots of size last year.....Vancouver had lots of size last year......and we all know how those teams did last year

Guys like MacDonald Selanne Neidermayer Beauchemin Kunitz were among the top players on Anaheim and they are relatively small(or play small) by NHL standards. Pronger and Pender are the only 2 "key" players that are much bigger than average.

what s the one thing small players are asked to do during the off season: GET BIGGER!!!! so if size does not matter anymore, why are we asking these small forwards to try and bulk up???

[jimmy]

billy said:

The Cats are bigger than last year adding Sill Brannon Baca...some of the kids added weight over last year but those numbers seem to just be the same as the 06-07 numbers. Cameron and Labelle are both at their weight of a year ago and they both added 10-15lbs over the year.

If you are in fact right that these stats don't reflect changes in size of returning players and merely carry forward their weight from when they entered the league, that renders this entire discussion somewhat pointless as the stats presented in the original post are no doubt incorrect for all teams.

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stats were taken from this year's website which includes this year's height ans weight provided by each team....

[Captain Obvious]

neiterchnaej said:

billy said:

Guys like MacDonald Selanne Neidermayer Beauchemin Kunitz were among the top players on Anaheim and they are relatively small(or play small) by NHL standards. Pronger and Pender are the only 2 "key" players that are much bigger than average.

Beauchemin 6 feet 214 plays physical

ask the Ducks if adding Pronger made a diff on D...ask the opposing forwards if they like seeing him out there....size is not AS important as it was but yes team size still matters...PERIOD!

Beauchemin is no longer 214lbs, he lost a bunch of weight at the request of the Ducks, that's why he's playing NHL now.

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neiterchnaej said:

billy said:

Guys like MacDonald Selanne Neidermayer Beauchemin Kunitz were among the top players on Anaheim and they are relatively small(or play small) by NHL standards. Pronger and Pender are the only 2 "key" players that are much bigger than average.

what s the one thing small players are asked to do during the off season: GET BIGGER!!!! so if size does not matter anymore, why are we asking these small forwards to try and bulk up???

All players try to get bigger in the off season, except obviously guys carring too much weight or not in shape. Kids in junior hockey spend their summers staying in shape and doing weights to be stronger.

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Here are the average size of each QMJHL team from Central Scouting.

Recently updated at:
09/11/2007
11:44:38 AM


ACADIE-BATHURST
Age: 18.5

6' 0"
191


BAIE-COMEAU
Age: 18.3

6' 0"
186


CAPE BRETON
Age: 18.3

6' 0"
184


CHICOUTIMI
Age: 18.5

6' 0"
181


DRUMMONDVILLE
Age: 18.5

6' 0"
187


GATINEAU
Age: 18.5

6' 0"
187


HALIFAX
Age: 18.7

6' 1"
191


LEWISTON
Age: 18.3

6' 0"
192


MONCTON
Age: 18.7

5' 10"
181


PEI
Age: 18.5

6' 0"
187


QUEBEC
Age: 18.2

5' 11"
181


RIMOUSKI
Age: 18.2

6' 0"
184


ROUYN-NORANDA
Age: 18.5

6' 1"
191


SAINT JOHN
Age: 18.3

6' 0"
187


SHAWINIGAN
Age: 18.4

6' 0"
182


ST. JOHN'S
Age: 18.5

6' 0"
193


VAL D'OR
Age: 18.8

6' 0"
190


VICTORIAVILLE
Age: 18.4

6' 1"
184

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billy said:

neiterchnaej said:

what s the one thing small players are asked to do during the off season: GET BIGGER!!!! so if size does not matter anymore, why are we asking these small forwards to try and bulk up???

All players try to get bigger in the off season, except obviously guys carring too much weight or not in shape. Kids in junior hockey spend their summers staying in shape and doing weights to be stronger.

exactly...To get stronger and bigger...so a small team is usually not what someone wants...unless terribly gifted which moncton is not this year

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neiterchnaej said:

billy said:

All players try to get bigger in the off season, except obviously guys carring too much weight or not in shape. Kids in junior hockey spend their summers staying in shape and doing weights to be stronger.

exactly...To get stronger and bigger...so a small team is usually not what someone wants...unless terribly gifted which moncton is not this year

Nobody WANTS to get a small team, but there are not 100 Yann Sauves, Steve Anthonys and Simon Despres in all drafts. Guys like Perreault and MacAusland have a much bigger impact than the Tennels or Poiriers of the world.

[Krang7]

neiterchnaej said:

exactly...To get stronger and bigger...so a small team is usually not what someone wants...unless terribly gifted which moncton is not this year

Stronger is the key word. Strength does NOT equal size. As long as a team has a good mix of strength, speed and skill they'll be alright regardless of their average weight.

[lou]

neiterchnaej said:

crazyjoedevola said:

You just put the mental image in my head of 5 Perreaults playing a game against 5 Poirer's... that might not be a good matchup.

The Poirer's and their long reaches would OWN the Perreaults...

ok lets put 5 Matthew Brenton against 5 JC Sawyer and watch the blood bath... ;D

at least use quality against quality....

Problem is that the "average weight" thrown out there does not show if it's heavy skill or just plain pylon heavy. I'm willing to bet there are much more ~small~ skill out there than there are big heavy skilled players...

[chsb]

billy said:

neiterchnaej said:

exactly...To get stronger and bigger...so a small team is usually not what someone wants...unless terribly gifted which moncton is not this year

Nobody WANTS to get a small team, but there are not 100 Yann Sauves, Steve Anthonys and Simon Despres in all drafts. Guys like Perreault and MacAusland have a much bigger impact than the Tennels or Poiriers of the world.

How can you write up MacAusland besides Perreault?

This is ridiculous specially that he did not play 1 single game in the Q yet...!.

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chsb said:

billy said:

Nobody WANTS to get a small team, but there are not 100 Yann Sauves, Steve Anthonys and Simon Despres in all drafts. Guys like Perreault and MacAusland have a much bigger impact than the Tennels or Poiriers of the world.

How can you write up MacAusland besides Perreault?

This is ridiculous specially that he did not play 1 single game in the Q yet...!.

I also put Sauve Anthony and Despres...but I guess you missed that.

[catnut]

chsb said:

billy said:

Nobody WANTS to get a small team, but there are not 100 Yann Sauves, Steve Anthonys and Simon Despres in all drafts. Guys like Perreault and MacAusland have a much bigger impact than the Tennels or Poiriers of the world.

How can you write up MacAusland besides Perreault?

This is ridiculous specially that he did not play 1 single game in the Q yet...!.

Is it also a privilege to be written in the same sentence as Perreault?

[SteveUL]

chsb said:

billy said:

Nobody WANTS to get a small team, but there are not 100 Yann Sauves, Steve Anthonys and Simon Despres in all drafts. Guys like Perreault and MacAusland have a much bigger impact than the Tennels or Poiriers of the world.

How can you write up MacAusland besides Perreault?

This is ridiculous specially that he did not play 1 single game in the Q yet...!.

MacAusland will play on Team Canada at 18 and 19 ... Perrault will not ... thats all that is needed to make the comparison ... the pinnacle of Jr hockey.

[spanz]

gongshow said:

krang7 said:

Perry was the league MVP last season, and he's listed 5'9" 160lbs. Size is NOT that important.

Wasn't it Clem Jodoin himself that mentionned that last years edition of the Mainiacs main problem at the Mem Cup was size?It was quite obvious that they were no match physically for the other teams participating.

I agree that you don't want a whole team of 6'3 220lbs gorillas,but its two sides to a coin....you don't want too many guys that can't win one on one battles either.

Anaheim had lots of size last year.....Vancouver had lots of size last year......and we all know how those teams did last year

You want 2 things. First you want your players to be able to "play big". Now I have seen quite a few 5' 9" 170 lb players that had a heck of a lot of fight in them! But, on the average, the physically larger guys will play big. The second thing you want is for your players to be healthy, especially in the final stretch. Concussions, shoulder injuries, pulled this or that muscles, etc all happen MUCH more often to smaller players that to the bigger ones. So, once again, at the end of the season, the team with the most men standing is usually the bigger team.