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Post by titan_insider on Sept 12, 2007 10:51:57 GMT -4
did a small compilation yesterday...i sure hope The CATS know how to skate because they are one small team...
TEAM Average size
STJ's 196.3 lbs
LEW 193.6 lbs
A-B 193.5 lbs
HAL 190.7 lbs
STJ 186.3 lbs
PEI 184 lbs
C-B 183 lbs
MON 181 lbs
and the Cats are not a young rebuilding team either
TEAM average age
HAL 18.44
STJ's 18.36
MON 18.35
A-B 18.28
C-B 18.12
PEI 18.08
LEW 18.04
STJ 17.96
Halifax seems poised at a run with a big veteran team....Saint John sea dogs look like a promising team filled with a great BIG young defensive corps...and anyone who plays on the ROCK will feel the pain of the boards, especially the small kittens...
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Post by Krang7 on Sept 12, 2007 10:53:53 GMT -4
Size doesn't matter nearly as much in today's game. Skill and speed are the number one things to consider.
That's late 90s early 2000s thinking if you really think size will make all the difference.
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Post by titan_insider on Sept 12, 2007 10:56:01 GMT -4
Size doesn't matter nearly as much in today's game. Skill and speed are the number one things to consider. That's late 90s early 2000s thinking if you really think size will make all the difference. tell that to the 150 lbs that gets taken into the boards by a 220 lbs Defenseman...yes I agree that size is less important in the NHL but to a young 16 or 17 yr old, it still impresses them dearly when they see those big lads on the opposing team... Trust me when I tell you that the players breathe a lot easier when those big guys are out of the lineup... |
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Post by Krang7 on Sept 12, 2007 10:58:43 GMT -4
Perry was the league MVP last season, and he's listed 5'9" 160lbs. Size is NOT that important.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 12, 2007 10:59:26 GMT -4
Size doesn't matter nearly as much in today's game. Skill and speed are the number one things to consider. That's late 90s early 2000s thinking if you really think size will make all the difference. tell that to the 150 lbs that gets taken into the boards by a 220 lbs Defenseman...yes I agree that size is less important in the NHL but to a young 16 or 17 yr old, it still impresses them dearly when they see those big lads on the opposing team... Trust me when I tell you that the players breathe a lot easier when those big guys are out of the lineup... There are not too many 220lbs d-men in this league that can catch a Perreault or Giroux. |
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Post by titan_insider on Sept 12, 2007 11:02:42 GMT -4
Perry was the league MVP last season, and he's listed 5'9" 160lbs. Size is NOT that important. yes you are right...PERRY and a few others are nice exceptions....but check with the average small players and they perform much better when there is space for them to manoeuvre... Moncton is going to find some nights to be very intimidating...but like we all know, if the roles were reversed, CATS fans would be all over us for being a small team...but when it applies to Moncton, then the story changes right away... ;D |
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Post by habh8er on Sept 12, 2007 11:04:25 GMT -4
Size doesn't matter nearly as much in today's game. Skill and speed are the number one things to consider. That's late 90s early 2000s thinking if you really think size will make all the difference. tell that to the 150 lbs that gets taken into the boards by a 220 lbs Defenseman...yes I agree that size is less important in the NHL but to a young 16 or 17 yr old, it still impresses them dearly when they see those big lads on the opposing team... Trust me when I tell you that the players breathe a lot easier when those big guys are out of the lineup... Couldn't agree more...a few small forwards can fit in on a team but overall size will always be important in a contact sport...used to be the smaller guys were the fastest and more skilled guys , but with the commitment that players must have these days with the year round training and so-on it doesn't hold as much weight(pardon the pun) as it did in the past. |
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Post by gongshow on Sept 12, 2007 11:15:11 GMT -4
Perry was the league MVP last season, and he's listed 5'9" 160lbs. Size is NOT that important. Wasn't it Clem Jodoin himself that mentionned that last years edition of the Mainiacs main problem at the Mem Cup was size?It was quite obvious that they were no match physically for the other teams participating.  I agree that you don't want a whole team of 6'3 220lbs gorillas,but its two sides to a coin....you don't want too many guys that can't win one on one battles either. Anaheim had lots of size last year.....Vancouver had lots of size last year......and we all know how those teams did last year  |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 12, 2007 11:25:03 GMT -4
Perry was the league MVP last season, and he's listed 5'9" 160lbs. Size is NOT that important. yes you are right...PERRY and a few others are nice exceptions....but check with the average small players and they perform much better when there is space for them to manoeuvre... Moncton is going to find some nights to be very intimidating...but like we all know, if the roles were reversed, CATS fans would be all over us for being a small team...but when it applies to Moncton, then the story changes right away... ;D The Cats are bigger than last year adding Sill Brannon Baca...some of the kids added weight over last year but those numbers seem to just be the same as the 06-07 numbers. Cameron and Labelle are both at their weight of a year ago and they both added 10-15lbs over the year. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 12, 2007 11:27:32 GMT -4
Perry was the league MVP last season, and he's listed 5'9" 160lbs. Size is NOT that important. Wasn't it Clem Jodoin himself that mentionned that last years edition of the Mainiacs main problem at the Mem Cup was size?It was quite obvious that they were no match physically for the other teams participating. I agree that you don't want a whole team of 6'3 220lbs gorillas,but its two sides to a coin....you don't want too many guys that can't win one on one battles either. Anaheim had lots of size last year.....Vancouver had lots of size last year......and we all know how those teams did last year Guys like MacDonald Selanne Neidermayer Beauchemin Kunitz were among the top players on Anaheim and they are relatively small(or play small) by NHL standards. Pronger and Pender are the only 2 "key" players that are much bigger than average. |
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Post by lou on Sept 12, 2007 12:06:00 GMT -4
Be nice to see the average sizes for any given teams 5 years ago... I think if you can get a combination of size and speed, you are advantaged. I don't think a team (in today's game), is advantaged by being heavy on average. I'll take a couple of Perreaults even if outweighed by a couple of Phil Poiriers - on average of course ;D ;D |
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Sept 12, 2007 12:15:12 GMT -4
Be nice to see the average sizes for any given teams 5 years ago... I think if you can get a combination of size and speed, you are advantaged. I don't think a team (in today's game), is advantaged by being heavy on average. I'll take a couple of Perreaults even if outweighed by a couple of Phil Poiriers - on average of course ;D ;D You just put the mental image in my head of 5 Perreaults playing a game against 5 Poirer's... that might not be a good matchup. The Poirer's and their long reaches would OWN the Perreaults... |
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Post by titan_insider on Sept 12, 2007 12:18:32 GMT -4
Wasn't it Clem Jodoin himself that mentionned that last years edition of the Mainiacs main problem at the Mem Cup was size?It was quite obvious that they were no match physically for the other teams participating. I agree that you don't want a whole team of 6'3 220lbs gorillas,but its two sides to a coin....you don't want too many guys that can't win one on one battles either. Anaheim had lots of size last year.....Vancouver had lots of size last year......and we all know how those teams did last year Guys like MacDonald Selanne Neidermayer Beauchemin Kunitz were among the top players on Anaheim and they are relatively small(or play small) by NHL standards. Pronger and Pender are the only 2 "key" players that are much bigger than average. Beauchemin 6 feet 214 plays physical ask the Ducks if adding Pronger made a diff on D...ask the opposing forwards if they like seeing him out there....size is not AS important as it was but yes team size still matters...PERIOD! |
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Post by titan_insider on Sept 12, 2007 12:20:50 GMT -4
Be nice to see the average sizes for any given teams 5 years ago... I think if you can get a combination of size and speed, you are advantaged. I don't think a team (in today's game), is advantaged by being heavy on average. I'll take a couple of Perreaults even if outweighed by a couple of Phil Poiriers - on average of course ;D ;D You just put the mental image in my head of 5 Perreaults playing a game against 5 Poirer's... that might not be a good matchup. The Poirer's and their long reaches would OWN the Perreaults... ok lets put 5 Matthew Brenton against 5 JC Sawyer and watch the blood bath... ;D at least use quality against quality.... |
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Post by Krang7 on Sept 12, 2007 12:23:25 GMT -4
size is not AS important as it was but yes team size still matters...PERIOD! It's not as important as you're making it out to be though. Halifax aren't poised for a run because they're a "big veteran team", it's because they have a ton of offensively gifted players up front with a lot of experience. Saint John don't look like a promising team because of their size, it's because of their young talented kids getting closer to the prime of their junior careers. The Q has generally been a smaller league then the OHL and the WHL, but that's not the reason Lewiston lost last season. It's because they lost a couple of key players to injury, and they just weren't as good. Simple as that. |
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