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Knotek
Nov 23, 2009 19:37:24 GMT -4
Post by howitzer on Nov 23, 2009 19:37:24 GMT -4
Is Oligny that good? he has yet to get a point. That may sound ignorant but I do not see these kids as midgets. I know he was drafted high but that asumes Serge knew what he was doing. I understand what Howitzer was saying that you have to make the deal for the best talent availiable, but I like how our Dee projects in 2 years, are forwards I am not so sure. Hes good....hes probably the best 16 year old dman in my opinion. Oligny is better right now than Hannay and Gillard and hes better than Lewis and Bishop...itd be stupid not to add him to the fold. Not to get off topic, but you hear anything else about Lewis, his knee on knee the other night? Hopefully not serious.
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Knotek
Nov 23, 2009 20:06:58 GMT -4
Post by lalalaprise on Nov 23, 2009 20:06:58 GMT -4
Hes good....hes probably the best 16 year old dman in my opinion. Oligny is better right now than Hannay and Gillard and hes better than Lewis and Bishop...itd be stupid not to add him to the fold. Not to get off topic, but you hear anything else about Lewis, his knee on knee the other night? Hopefully not serious. Havent heard anything from anyone, but it was his right knee, which I believe was his bad knee...it was a pretty bad hit and he looked in rough shape afterwards.
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Knotek
Nov 23, 2009 20:10:15 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 20:10:15 GMT -4
Is Oligny that good? he has yet to get a point. That may sound ignorant but I do not see these kids as midgets. I know he was drafted high but that asumes Serge knew what he was doing. I understand what Howitzer was saying that you have to make the deal for the best talent availiable, but I like how our Dee projects in 2 years, are forwards I am not so sure. Hes good....hes probably the best 16 year old dman in my opinion. Oligny is better right now than Hannay and Gillard and hes better than Lewis and Bishop...itd be stupid not to add him to the fold. The four you mention are no chumps.......so he must be good. Thanks
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Knotek
Nov 23, 2009 23:27:39 GMT -4
Post by canbeer on Nov 23, 2009 23:27:39 GMT -4
I think Knotek is a guy that could have decent value, as long as you're not asking for Bourdon/Marchand type return. He's a good player but he is more of a complimentary player than a guy that will make his linemates better, a 70-75 point guy on a contender. I think Oligny or a 1st rounder is about on par with his value. You're assesment of Knotek is out-dated as far as I'm concerned. Last year or the year before, it fit, no question. However look at the numbers two 3rd liners (Randall and Grant) are putting up playing with Knotek, and tell me he doesn't make others better. Plus Knotek faces the best defenders (forwards and defence) every game, with little to no help. The fact that he is putting up over a ppg on this Mooseheads team, is pretty damn good. Out-dated is a good way to look at it. I had Grant and Randell as 2/3s of a very solid "third" line this year... their numbers have been amazing this year, Knotek's as well. I can imagine the numbers he would be putting up with a shooter like Doyle and a net presence like Cassavant. And if the word around is that Bishop isn't happy and Oligny could be part of a Knotek trade I think it would make complete sense for Bishop to be part of that trade. Oligny would be a great way to round out the potential future top four. Clarke Abeltshauser Gillard .... Lewis (Any word on him Lala?) Hannay Sure young top forwards are focus/need number 1 but there's still a half dozen or so young D in the east that you just couldn't pass up on.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 9:17:19 GMT -4
Post by bois on Nov 24, 2009 9:17:19 GMT -4
I don't see any chance of PEI making the deals you guys are proposing here for Knotek
Oligny and Escott?? c'mon folks...
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 9:36:49 GMT -4
Post by lalalaprise on Nov 24, 2009 9:36:49 GMT -4
I don't see any chance of PEI making the deals you guys are proposing here for Knotek Oligny and Escott?? c'mon folks... I dont see PEI being a good fit for Halifax as a trade partner.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 9:40:49 GMT -4
Post by bois on Nov 24, 2009 9:40:49 GMT -4
I don't see any chance of PEI making the deals you guys are proposing here for Knotek Oligny and Escott?? c'mon folks... I dont see PEI being a good fit for Halifax as a trade partner. if that's what you guys are expecting for Knotek I 100% agree with you lol
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 10:02:31 GMT -4
Post by lalalaprise on Nov 24, 2009 10:02:31 GMT -4
I dont see PEI being a good fit for Halifax as a trade partner. if that's what you guys are expecting for Knotek I 100% agree with you lol Well I wouldnt want Escott on my team for a 5th rd pick let alone Knotek...but yeah, PEI doesnt exactly have the young players Halifax would want. Im sure if Cam is going to trade Knotek he would prefer to get back young forwards. I love Oligny, but id prefer to add a forward of his caliber than another dman.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 10:14:01 GMT -4
Post by bsm on Nov 24, 2009 10:14:01 GMT -4
Would St.John be a viable trading partner? They have the young forwards you speak of.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 10:17:22 GMT -4
Post by Murph on Nov 24, 2009 10:17:22 GMT -4
Except they don't have a euro spot open. They could use an upgrade on Jurco, but Jurco doesn't have value to Halifax because of their euro pick this coming summer. A 3rd team would need to be involved to aquire Jurco.
Not the best fit IMO. Moncton might be the best bet (upgrading Hrivik) in terms of assets that would attract Halifax, as well as being a team Knotek would be willing to play for.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 10:23:02 GMT -4
Post by bois on Nov 24, 2009 10:23:02 GMT -4
if that's what you guys are expecting for Knotek I 100% agree with you lol Well I wouldnt want Escott on my team for a 5th rd pick let alone Knotek...but yeah, PEI doesnt exactly have the young players Halifax would want. Im sure if Cam is going to trade Knotek he would prefer to get back young forwards. I love Oligny, but id prefer to add a forward of his caliber than another dman. That's pretty harsh re Escott... I actually think Brandon Street if given the right situation could produce... he would be a decent fit in halifax I think.. I know it would take more than him alone to land Knotek but he could be a starting point.. what about Street and Corbo and a late pick?
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 10:41:55 GMT -4
Post by canucklehead on Nov 24, 2009 10:41:55 GMT -4
Except they don't have a euro spot open. They could use an upgrade on Jurco, but Jurco doesn't have value to Halifax because of their euro pick this coming summer. A 3rd team would need to be involved to acquire Jurco. Not the best fit IMO. Moncton might be the best bet (upgrading Hrivik) in terms of assets that would attract Halifax, as well as being a team Knotek would be willing to play for. Jurco isn't draft eligible until 2011 so he's likely here for 3 years I don't think picking up Knotek makes sense for Saint John either. Personally I would much rather keep Jurco.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 10:44:50 GMT -4
Post by lalalaprise on Nov 24, 2009 10:44:50 GMT -4
Well I wouldnt want Escott on my team for a 5th rd pick let alone Knotek...but yeah, PEI doesnt exactly have the young players Halifax would want. Im sure if Cam is going to trade Knotek he would prefer to get back young forwards. I love Oligny, but id prefer to add a forward of his caliber than another dman. That's pretty harsh re Escott... I actually think Brandon Street if given the right situation could produce... he would be a decent fit in halifax I think.. I know it would take more than him alone to land Knotek but he could be a starting point.. what about Street and Corbo and a late pick? Escott puts up the points, but im just not a fan. He seems to be invisible most games yet ends up with 2 assists somehow. He doesnt get those hardworking points and he seems like come playoff time he will go MIA. Could be wrong though. Street needs a change of scenery in the worst way possible. Unfortunatly the way things have worked out for Haddad, Dubuc, etc, i dont think Savard is in a rush to deal him and than have him explode. I dont like Corbo...but thats what I was eluding to earlier when I said I dont see PEI as a good trade partner...lack of young forwards, and I dont think PEI will move Duffy or Currie.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 10:51:00 GMT -4
Post by bois on Nov 24, 2009 10:51:00 GMT -4
I agree with you on Escott's game... but to suggest a kid not even a full year into his junior career averaging almost a PPG is not worth a 5th round pick.. is harsh
I am almost positive Savard will move Street.....
Why don't you like Corbo? We didn't get to see much of him... but he looks like he can be a future goal scorer to me..... anyhow substitute Jannetou or Linteau then
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 11:29:13 GMT -4
Post by lalalaprise on Nov 24, 2009 11:29:13 GMT -4
I agree with you on Escott's game... but to suggest a kid not even a full year into his junior career averaging almost a PPG is not worth a 5th round pick.. is harsh I am almost positive Savard will move Street..... Why don't you like Corbo? We didn't get to see much of him... but he looks like he can be a future goal scorer to me..... anyhow substitute Jannetou or Linteau then Ok I guess I exagerated a little bit Escott is worth a 5th...and probably a decent option as the 2nd guy in a deal, but im sure PEI values him more than most other teams would in a deal. Corbo...i think he is going to be a solid Q player, but he would have to be the 2nd guy in the deal and id probably rather a 2nd rd pick over Corbo anyway. Linteau and Janneteau, i like both players, but both have glaring weaknesses that will likely hold them back. Linteau his skating and Janneteau his size.
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