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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 11:33:02 GMT -4
Post by canbeer on Nov 24, 2009 11:33:02 GMT -4
Well I wouldnt want Escott on my team for a 5th rd pick let alone Knotek...but yeah, PEI doesnt exactly have the young players Halifax would want. Im sure if Cam is going to trade Knotek he would prefer to get back young forwards. I love Oligny, but id prefer to add a forward of his caliber than another dman. That's pretty harsh re Escott... I actually think Brandon Street if given the right situation could produce... he would be a decent fit in halifax I think.. I know it would take more than him alone to land Knotek but he could be a starting point.. what about Street and Corbo and a late pick? An 18 year old that in the right situation could produce is not a starting point for Knotek... I can't see three expendable assets/spare parts being an interest to Halifax. If Knotek is on the table I would imagine with the number of picks they have and young players that they'll be looking for quality not quantity.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 11:41:57 GMT -4
Post by bois on Nov 24, 2009 11:41:57 GMT -4
You guys say you need forwards.... then you say not that forward.... lol
Brandon Street would fit in for you guys very well as a second line player now and probable first liner for the next 2 seasons...... he is exactly the type of player that would be a starting point for Knotek....
thinking you are going to get a 17 year old stud like Duffy or a 16 year old like Oligny plus for half a season of Knotek is .. imo ridiculous but we'll see
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 11:59:21 GMT -4
Post by canbeer on Nov 24, 2009 11:59:21 GMT -4
You guys say you need forwards.... then you say not that forward.... lol Brandon Street would fit in for you guys very well as a second line player now and probable first liner for the next 2 seasons...... he is exactly the type of player that would be a starting point for Knotek.... thinking you are going to get a 17 year old stud like Duffy or a 16 year old like Oligny plus for half a season of Knotek is .. imo ridiculous but we'll see And you thinking Street is going to be the main piece in landing PEI a top line player isn't ridiculous? I can't see a whole lot of teams looking to move their best player for an 18 year old forward who may produce with a change of scenery. There's a big gap between Duffy and the other young forward that PEI has... that's why PEI isn't the ideal team for Halifax to deal with.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 12:04:10 GMT -4
Post by bois on Nov 24, 2009 12:04:10 GMT -4
You guys say you need forwards.... then you say not that forward.... lol Brandon Street would fit in for you guys very well as a second line player now and probable first liner for the next 2 seasons...... he is exactly the type of player that would be a starting point for Knotek.... thinking you are going to get a 17 year old stud like Duffy or a 16 year old like Oligny plus for half a season of Knotek is .. imo ridiculous but we'll see And you thinking Street is going to be the main piece in landing PEI a top line player isn't ridiculous? I can't see a whole lot of teams looking to move their best player for an 18 year old forward who may produce with a change of scenery. There's a big gap between Duffy and the other young forward that PEI has... that's why PEI isn't the ideal team for Halifax to deal with. I'm not disagreeing that we likely aren't ideal trade partners I am disagreeing with the notions presented that Knotek is going to land you a 17 year old top forward or a 16 year old first rounder from this past draft plus more I only threw Street out there as a likely name involved... kid has major junior experience.. was a second round pick... has proven he can score at this level.. I didn't say he would be the main piece.. I was tossing another kid plus a draft pick into my proposal.. to me that's pretty good return for Knotek
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 12:14:37 GMT -4
Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 24, 2009 12:14:37 GMT -4
I see an early pick (top 3 rounds) and a quality young player being the price for Knotek... with him being a euro and not LIKELY coming back next year. I don't think we could get as much as some do here.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 12:24:15 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 24, 2009 12:24:15 GMT -4
I see an early pick (top 3 rounds) and a quality young player being the price for Knotek... with him being a euro and not LIKELY coming back next year. I don't think we will could as much as some do here. I'm thinking the same. You'll get good but not great return. I don't see PEI as a good fit at all, they have much bigger needs.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 12:53:13 GMT -4
Post by canbeer on Nov 24, 2009 12:53:13 GMT -4
And you thinking Street is going to be the main piece in landing PEI a top line player isn't ridiculous? I can't see a whole lot of teams looking to move their best player for an 18 year old forward who may produce with a change of scenery. There's a big gap between Duffy and the other young forward that PEI has... that's why PEI isn't the ideal team for Halifax to deal with. I'm not disagreeing that we likely aren't ideal trade partners I am disagreeing with the notions presented that Knotek is going to land you a 17 year old top forward or a 16 year old first rounder from this past draft plus more I only threw Street out there as a likely name involved... kid has major junior experience.. was a second round pick... has proven he can score at this level.. I didn't say he would be the main piece.. I was tossing another kid plus a draft pick into my proposal.. to me that's pretty good return for Knotek Doyle, Cassavant, Champagne... Knotek is out scoring, out producing the three of them. Worth a "top" (as in Hynes, Couturier... one of the top 15 or so young guys) young forward... no. Worth a solid 17 who should be a safe to become a 1st line 19 year old player... easily IMO. If he isn't worth that then the trade market must be cheap this year and it may not even be worth trading Knotek. I can't see him being had for largely inconseqeuntial assets.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 14:04:14 GMT -4
Post by bois on Nov 24, 2009 14:04:14 GMT -4
Doyle and Casavant have both missed games this year Champagne I believe is one point behind Knotek
It's not like he's outproducing those 3 guys by a wide margin and by Christmas time I suspect Champagne will definitely be ahead of him in the pointsrace and if Casavant can stay healthy he should be too...
I would place Duffy as one of the top 15 17 year olds in the Q easily
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 14:26:28 GMT -4
Post by canbeer on Nov 24, 2009 14:26:28 GMT -4
Yeah Knotek doesn't miss too many games outside of the World Jr.s... crime, character and injuries haven't been an issue with him... very reliable. No he's not out producing them by much, scoring more goals but still the numbers are close... I'm just pointing out it would be silly to think you could add another player of their quailty or better and only give up as little as you're suggesting.
Duffy may fall in the top 15 among those guys but I'm also not suggesting a Duffy for Knotek trade... the forwards after Duffy likely just wouldn't motivate the Moose to move Knotek.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 14:38:54 GMT -4
Post by Murph on Nov 24, 2009 14:38:54 GMT -4
And you thinking Street is going to be the main piece in landing PEI a top line player isn't ridiculous? I can't see a whole lot of teams looking to move their best player for an 18 year old forward who may produce with a change of scenery. There's a big gap between Duffy and the other young forward that PEI has... that's why PEI isn't the ideal team for Halifax to deal with. I'm not disagreeing that we likely aren't ideal trade partners I am disagreeing with the notions presented that Knotek is going to land you a 17 year old top forward or a 16 year old first rounder from this past draft plus more I only threw Street out there as a likely name involved... kid has major junior experience.. was a second round pick... has proven he can score at this level.. I didn't say he would be the main piece.. I was tossing another kid plus a draft pick into my proposal.. to me that's pretty good return for Knotek Who's saying "plus more". The deals proposed were Oligny or a 1st one for one..... Oligny plus Escott at the draft for Knotek and Bishop.....
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 14:48:02 GMT -4
Post by gongshow on Nov 24, 2009 14:48:02 GMT -4
I see an early pick (top 3 rounds) and a quality young player being the price for Knotek... with him being a euro and not LIKELY coming back next year. I don't think we will could as much as some do here. I'm thinking the same. You'll get good but not great return. I don't see PEI as a good fit at all, they have much bigger needs. I agree....if PEI doesn't upgrade their defense they won't make of past the atlantic division guaranteed.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 15:17:48 GMT -4
Post by bois on Nov 24, 2009 15:17:48 GMT -4
Yeah Knotek doesn't miss too many games outside of the World Jr.s... crime, character and injuries haven't been an issue with him... very reliable. No he's not out producing them by much, scoring more goals but still the numbers are close... I'm just pointing out it would be silly to think you could add another player of their quailty or better and only give up as little as you're suggesting. Duffy may fall in the top 15 among those guys but I'm also not suggesting a Duffy for Knotek trade... the forwards after Duffy likely just wouldn't motivate the Moose to move Knotek. You might not have been suggesting that but there were some who were
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 15:28:36 GMT -4
Post by moosemania on Nov 24, 2009 15:28:36 GMT -4
I heard Duffy requested a trade. What I heard was when PEI had a bunch out with H1N1, he was playing top-line. When they came back he got bumped and his agent lost it and requested a trade. Everything I've heard is that the kid now wants out of PEI.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 15:30:03 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 15:30:03 GMT -4
Yeah Knotek doesn't miss too many games outside of the World Jr.s... crime, character and injuries haven't been an issue with him... very reliable. No he's not out producing them by much, scoring more goals but still the numbers are close... I'm just pointing out it would be silly to think you could add another player of their quailty or better and only give up as little as you're suggesting. Duffy may fall in the top 15 among those guys but I'm also not suggesting a Duffy for Knotek trade... the forwards after Duffy likely just wouldn't motivate the Moose to move Knotek. Priceless ;D No question we may overvalue our own players, who we have seen lots, and undervalue players we may not have seen much. But what Knotek has done so far this year with his supporting cast, and many losses, has been special. Watched the game in Montreal on the web Friday. 2nd goal on the PP there were 4 players fighting for the puck along the board in the corner..Knotek emerges with the puck whips it across ice to Randell another cross ice pass to Bahm, wide open net..goal. Late in the third we are down by one........Knotek steals the puck, breakaway goal. Shootout only Halifax scorer, Thomas Knotek. No question he can help a contender. I think it would be a shame to give him away.
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Knotek
Nov 24, 2009 15:52:01 GMT -4
Post by bois on Nov 24, 2009 15:52:01 GMT -4
I don't think you should give him away either... none of this will be relevant if he actually has no desire to move as has been rumoured, but he is not going to land you a kid that you will have as a top 6 forward for 2-3 1/2 years.... that's all
I also really don't think proposing giving you 2 players plus a pick as giving him away.... i'm not suggesting you take garbage.. Street scored 12 goals for us last year as a third liner on not a very strong team... he also had a hatty against you guys earlier this year.... he is still only halfway thru his 18 year old season.... he's a bit of a reclamation project but I really do think he would excel in an environment like you guys currently have as a second liner .... and then I said take your pick of one of our 3 young forwards that cracked our opening night roster as a future piece.... that's no different than you proposing that tossing in Bishop into a deal to take Oligny from us
everybody overvalues their own players I understand that.. but that doesn't mean people can't at least attempt to speculate on possible scenarios without being ridiculous... if you think we're not good trade partners (i actually don't disagree with that) just say so.. but don't suggest a half season of Thomas Knotek is worth 3 plus years of Oligny plus a first or an Escott at the draft.. or a Ben Duffy
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