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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 17:02:41 GMT -4
Lala cut the guy a break. He's a Titan fan he is not ignoring the word "talent". Just not a word in their vocbulary. Just joking had to say something, because hes not getting talent versus age, and the difference in the 2. CHSB hope this helps. A 16 year old Sidney Crosby (talented) A 20 year old Daniel Smith (Over ager not talented) A 20 year old Charles Bety (next year he is Over ager, and somewhat talented for the team he is on, will be be talented enough to be an over ager that depends on who else is available at 20 . Is this helping Lala does not need to cut me a break, you are the one who needs it. Compare the losses your team will suffer after this season with what the Titan will lose and it is easily comparable. I am not the one who said your team would lose the least talent, you are and it does not hold as an argument. Now, if the Titan happen to be too talented to keep some players next season, they will trade them and get a return. But 17 of 19 YO on a rebuilding team and no trade at Christmas to get younger (specially NOT trading Knotek) is somewhat bad management. There was a deal for Knotek but he didn't want to go to Val D'or as he felt they weren't a bonafide contender. It would have been nice to get some extra parts but Cam respected his player here..... that might be lacking in parts elsewhere though
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Post by qmaniac on Mar 12, 2010 17:15:21 GMT -4
Why is everyone so quick to jump on chsb? All he said was the Moose were outclassed. That translates to - The Moose were out played, and the shots do seem to indicate that (Me thinks some people took the outclassed statement literally and not how it translates). The Moose are just playing out the season...which is expected. Secondly, after the last Bathurst loss chsb came and talked about how hard working the Moose team was in that defeat and they didn't give up. No one jumped on him then calling him a troll, so I am confused on the outburst this time.Does chsb like pissing matches? Yes. But I am confused on why so many Moose posters started one with him, when all he stated were the facts. Based on the shots the Moose were outplayed by Bathurst. Well I just sort of laughed at that post. He comes on and makes it seem like the Mooseheads played very well and should deserve praise for going out to tackle with the all-mighty titan. The titan are going to finish what, 14th, maybe 15th? lol
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Post by chsb on Mar 12, 2010 17:31:23 GMT -4
We could have the best young crop of players the Q has ever seen and still Bathurst would have a much better rebuilding plan in place. (Ps- does Bathurst have a plan anyways? Or are they content going horizontal) Chsb has maybe the worst credentials of anyhody on here to do a talent analysis. He only knows about his beloved titan which was evident when he entered Lefebvre on Quebec's 3rd line. I challenge you to tell me where I wrote that Bathurst Titan was 'better" in its rebuilding plan than Halifax! I simply stated that some myths are spreaded here and then I tallied them. The Titan did trigger a rebuild process 2 years ago after the Perreault departure and (according to Lala)will have a much improved team next season with some more mssing parts coming at the draft. I fail to see the relevance of your comment about a "plan in place" when the results are starting showing that much and....without being bottom feeders in their rebuild. There has been a lot of crap spreaded on this Board about the Titan and quite a bit of it with no real substance to back it up. I am trying simply to put things back on track. Maybe I will not convince anybody, but at least I will have tried.
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Post by qmaniac on Mar 12, 2010 17:46:06 GMT -4
Yeah this year Bathurst is a better team than us. Thats the nature of the Q you have building years, and you have years you make a run. In years like this we have to take credit in we are one of the best Organizations in the Q. That is not really something up for debate. You take out Bathrurst and Pei(or any other team besides Quebec) and the Q would still survive. You take out the Remapart and Mooseheads, and the Q is nothing but a fancy Midget league. We are the not here to win every year we are here to be one of the most stable organization year after year. Even when the team suck we still do ok at the gates. At the gates is about the only place for the Mooseheads where credit is due this season.....it has been a very harsh rebuilding for your team and the light is still not on at the end of the tunnel....the Titan did much worse at the gate, but better in their rebuilding.
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Post by qmaniac on Mar 12, 2010 18:23:31 GMT -4
You may have a good squad if you can find Couturier a fall hobby. Otherwise he'll get bored and blow up the team at Christmas again.
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Post by milton on Mar 12, 2010 19:20:14 GMT -4
Why are we spending 4 pages on the moose board debating with a bathurst fan who obviously will never see his team as others do, lol. WHO CARES ABOUT THE FREAKING BATHURST TITAN!!! Honestly. You will never convince chsb that his team ever does anything wrong or that they are a joke as far as what their gm does with the team year after year, so why even argue. He is clearly trolling so imo his posts should be deleted and the rest of us can talk about our team and what the future holds. Lets let bathurst rotate their 20s, average 500 fans a game and continue to be mediocre. Whatever the titan have this year or next, I am sure it will be screwed up or traded eventually.
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Post by canbeer on Mar 13, 2010 0:31:11 GMT -4
No light at the end of the Tunnel. Wow. like Crazy said about our draft picks already. Plus we have 2 goalies and not sure which one to go with. One is already drafted, and the other is expected to go very high compared to his peers(goalie peers). We have Gabe D, Andrews and Gelinas who have just shown slim glimmers to what their capable of. We are losing less talent than any other team in the Q before the Draft. We are the worst team this year, but what are we losing Linden Bahm, and guess Knotek(thats a loss but yet debatable for many reasons). I have not complained much if at all during our rebuild. Never been so happy for our future. I do get annoyed with Bathurst fans going on about us. Like I said yes you are better. But your organization is truly in bad shape. And the only reason we argue you with you as for the last 2 years we have been the worst rebuilding team. Which makes us the team worst than the Titan. Hopefully in 2 years from now you will be arguing with fans of another rebuilding bottom dweller, and Halifax fans will have forgot all about a useless Titan organization. Again, how can you say that your team is the one losing the least players for next season? You have 1 OA Bahm who is gone and you have 7 of 19YO: Delmas,Stoddard,Knotek,Grant,Bety,Amyot,Dimitruk.....only 3 of these can be back. The Titan, on the other hand, have 2 OAs in Faille and McKiernan and 4 of 19 YO in Malka,Malouin,Tanel and Lambke. I would submit that you are spreading a myth here which is inaccurate. But there's still a difference in who each team is losing. And you have to look somewhat at the whole year as well. Halifax may be losing Delmas next year but you've already lost Champion and he's had more of an impact on your team this year than Delmas has on Halifax. Similar story on the other guys that these teams have already lost Couture, Blanchard, Famulare, Critchlow, Renaud those guys had about 70 points for Bathurst this year. Halifax moved Brunet, Cheremetiev, MacDonald, Pelletier, Metcalfe... we're talking 3 goals and about 15 points between the group. Bathurst was off to a pretty solid start this year and you guys have already lost a bunch of those pieces. Faille, McKiernan, Malka, Malouin, Tanel and Lambke. That's two of your top forwards and 4 of you top 5 D. Your losing you top forward and Dman and two of the others. Forwards should be fine but your D could be hurting. Halifax is losing Bahm who has been good for this team but he has been third line all year. Stoddard won't be back as he's been 4th line or a healthy scratch all year. Knotek, Grant, Bety, Amyot and Dimitruk. Knotek will be a loss like Faille. Dimitruk likely won't win a position over Amyot, losing him is minimal with 6 returning D. Bety is 50/50. To make room for the high drafts and new Euro a few others (Costello, Wigginton and maybe McGuigan) will be let go but they're 4th liners/healthy scratches. The difference between the two teams and we can't be sure how much this will impact next year is how both team played their vets vs. youth. I mean you just look at the game tonight between the two teams where Faille took nearly half of your faceoffs and he (along with most Bathurst vets) seems to be greatly overplayed vs. a lot of your youth that hardly sees the ice... this is a trend every year. This compared to Halifax who has seen a ton of play from a very young D group and a forward line like Gelinas/Desjardins - Andrews - Lemieux with two 17s and a 16 year old who were regulars getting 2nd pp unit time all year.
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Post by Murph on Mar 13, 2010 7:13:45 GMT -4
Lala does not need to cut me a break, you are the one who needs it. Compare the losses your team will suffer after this season with what the Titan will lose and it is easily comparable. I am not the one who said your team would lose the least talent, you are and it does not hold as an argument. Now, if the Titan happen to be too talented to keep some players next season, they will trade them and get a return. But 17 of 19 YO on a rebuilding team and no trade at Christmas to get younger (specially NOT trading Knotek) is somewhat bad management. There was a deal for Knotek but he didn't want to go to Val D'or as he felt they weren't a bonafide contender. It would have been nice to get some extra parts but Cam respected his player here..... that might be lacking in parts elsewhere though Knotek has said he's not going back to Europe next year. His first option is AHL, but otherwise, it'll be the Q. It`s not like he`d be worthless in June. There`s always a handful of teams who don`t mind taking on 20 year old euro`s.
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Post by justmy02 on Mar 13, 2010 7:20:22 GMT -4
I don't even have the energy to care any more at this point.........season done. to me the season ended Feb 27th.
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Post by elementz on Mar 13, 2010 10:28:36 GMT -4
Can't see Knotek playing in the AHL next year. Has he even ever been invited to an NHL training camp, let alone drafted.
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Post by fansince95 on Mar 13, 2010 10:40:23 GMT -4
Can't see Knotek playing in the AHL next year. Has he even ever been invited to an NHL training camp, let alone drafted. He's been with Minnesota at their camp the past 2 years has he not?
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Post by canucklehead on Mar 13, 2010 10:50:55 GMT -4
Can't see Knotek playing in the AHL next year. Has he even ever been invited to an NHL training camp, let alone drafted. He's been with Minnesota at their camp the past 2 years has he not? I believe you are correct at least last year he was I'm quite sure of that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2010 10:59:35 GMT -4
There was a deal for Knotek but he didn't want to go to Val D'or as he felt they weren't a bonafide contender. It would have been nice to get some extra parts but Cam respected his player here..... that might be lacking in parts elsewhere though Knotek has said he's not going back to Europe next year. His first option is AHL, but otherwise, it'll be the Q. It`s not like he`d be worthless in June. There`s always a handful of teams who don`t mind taking on 20 year old euro`s. Exactly- what if Quebec gives us a package for Knotek? They sold down a bit this year and could be looking at going for it next year. On a side note, I would like Matt Brown to be part of that package, he always lights it up at the Metro Center ;D
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Post by chsb on Mar 13, 2010 11:18:58 GMT -4
Again, how can you say that your team is the one losing the least players for next season? You have 1 OA Bahm who is gone and you have 7 of 19YO: Delmas,Stoddard,Knotek,Grant,Bety,Amyot,Dimitruk.....only 3 of these can be back. The Titan, on the other hand, have 2 OAs in Faille and McKiernan and 4 of 19 YO in Malka,Malouin,Tanel and Lambke. I would submit that you are spreading a myth here which is inaccurate. But there's still a difference in who each team is losing. And you have to look somewhat at the whole year as well. Halifax may be losing Delmas next year but you've already lost Champion and he's had more of an impact on your team this year than Delmas has on Halifax. Similar story on the other guys that these teams have already lost Couture, Blanchard, Famulare, Critchlow, Renaud those guys had about 70 points for Bathurst this year. Halifax moved Brunet, Cheremetiev, MacDonald, Pelletier, Metcalfe... we're talking 3 goals and about 15 points between the group. Bathurst was off to a pretty solid start this year and you guys have already lost a bunch of those pieces. Faille, McKiernan, Malka, Malouin, Tanel and Lambke. That's two of your top forwards and 4 of you top 5 D. Your losing you top forward and Dman and two of the others. Forwards should be fine but your D could be hurting. Halifax is losing Bahm who has been good for this team but he has been third line all year. Stoddard won't be back as he's been 4th line or a healthy scratch all year. Knotek, Grant, Bety, Amyot and Dimitruk. Knotek will be a loss like Faille. Dimitruk likely won't win a position over Amyot, losing him is minimal with 6 returning D. Bety is 50/50. To make room for the high drafts and new Euro a few others (Costello, Wigginton and maybe McGuigan) will be let go but they're 4th liners/healthy scratches. The difference between the two teams and we can't be sure how much this will impact next year is how both team played their vets vs. youth. I mean you just look at the game tonight between the two teams where Faille took nearly half of your faceoffs and he (along with most Bathurst vets) seems to be greatly overplayed vs. a lot of your youth that hardly sees the ice... this is a trend every year. This compared to Halifax who has seen a ton of play from a very young D group and a forward line like Gelinas/Desjardins - Andrews - Lemieux with two 17s and a 16 year old who were regulars getting 2nd pp unit time all year. To further my point, the Titan made moves last Christmas which should allow them to land a top-5 team next season with some tweaking next Christmas....obviously Halifax is looking 2 years ahead rather than next year and....obviously....the Titan will land a better team than yours next season.
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Post by canbeer on Mar 13, 2010 12:00:08 GMT -4
But there's still a difference in who each team is losing. And you have to look somewhat at the whole year as well. Halifax may be losing Delmas next year but you've already lost Champion and he's had more of an impact on your team this year than Delmas has on Halifax. Similar story on the other guys that these teams have already lost Couture, Blanchard, Famulare, Critchlow, Renaud those guys had about 70 points for Bathurst this year. Halifax moved Brunet, Cheremetiev, MacDonald, Pelletier, Metcalfe... we're talking 3 goals and about 15 points between the group. Bathurst was off to a pretty solid start this year and you guys have already lost a bunch of those pieces. Faille, McKiernan, Malka, Malouin, Tanel and Lambke. That's two of your top forwards and 4 of you top 5 D. Your losing you top forward and Dman and two of the others. Forwards should be fine but your D could be hurting. Halifax is losing Bahm who has been good for this team but he has been third line all year. Stoddard won't be back as he's been 4th line or a healthy scratch all year. Knotek, Grant, Bety, Amyot and Dimitruk. Knotek will be a loss like Faille. Dimitruk likely won't win a position over Amyot, losing him is minimal with 6 returning D. Bety is 50/50. To make room for the high drafts and new Euro a few others (Costello, Wigginton and maybe McGuigan) will be let go but they're 4th liners/healthy scratches. The difference between the two teams and we can't be sure how much this will impact next year is how both team played their vets vs. youth. I mean you just look at the game tonight between the two teams where Faille took nearly half of your faceoffs and he (along with most Bathurst vets) seems to be greatly overplayed vs. a lot of your youth that hardly sees the ice... this is a trend every year. This compared to Halifax who has seen a ton of play from a very young D group and a forward line like Gelinas/Desjardins - Andrews - Lemieux with two 17s and a 16 year old who were regulars getting 2nd pp unit time all year. To further my point, the Titan made moves last Christmas which should allow them to land a top-5 team next season with some tweaking next Christmas....obviously Halifax is looking 2 years ahead rather than next year and....obviously....the Titan will land a better team than yours next season. A top 5 team eh... if we're talking about what is obvious, it's obvious you won't have Champion starting with you next year and that you're losing a truck load of D. You guys are already among the bottom teams with goals against... saying you have a good group of forwards doesn't gloss over what you don't have.
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