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Post by sharrow on May 3, 2010 14:49:56 GMT -4
To sum up our situation we don't only need Luca Ciampini we need to forcus on acquiring another 1st rd pick so that we can get Frederick Gamelin as well, once this has been acomplished then that allows us to use our #19 pick on a goalie followed by #25 & #28 two more forwards which will greatly move our offensive rebuild forward, NOW we can look at D-men, another goalie even more forwards. THE MAIN GOAL OF ACQUIRING SKILLED FORWARDS WILL HAVE BEEN ACHEIVED, the rebuild has truly got a good foundation and the organization can come out of the shadows of previous mistakes that got us in this situation. Its such a simple conclusion, I'm really surprised that a lot of find it confusing. The majority of loyal Moose fans are expecting this team to begin to get alot better over the next two seasons with indications of that to start with the 2010/11 season, Figure out our needs then get on with it or get out.
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Post by jpro on May 3, 2010 15:05:06 GMT -4
When the #1 prospect is a Dman and you are in a position to select him, its simple you go for him. Beside I am not convinced that the Moose D squad is, as someone said in this tread, that stellar. Furthermore, at least two of them are prone to injuries.
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Post by Fred The Moose on May 3, 2010 15:40:05 GMT -4
I always said you go for the best first then look to fill in the holes at later choices or trades... there should be a few over-agers out there after training camp to be had and we can keep to our plans of picking the best available players in drraft and if we get 50% of what we did last year we will be in great shape for play offs...This could be come a great season for the Mooseheads...
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Post by sharrow on May 3, 2010 16:10:33 GMT -4
I don't what is more stressful going to games for the last two seasons and knowing that no matter how hard the teams works or how many shots we have on the other teams goalie we can't score because of a lack of talented players and probably if it wasn't for my son I would have rather have stayed home a lot of nights. Now we have the opportunity to make the neccessary acquisions of FORWARDS to correct this sad situations (our 171 goals last season is the worst for the 'Q" for at least the last five years) again we have the opportunity to use our #2 pick overall and the 1st pick in the 2nd rd to get top quality forwards which will go along way to the success of the rebuild, I sincerely hope that the top management of this organization reads this site from time to time and takes note that the crisis is OFFENSIVE OUTPUT and its been a crisis for the last two years and it must be job #1 this off season and the upcoming draft, under a mew G/M last season he addressed rebuilding the defence and now it is young and deveoping, now is the time to devote and forcus on the Forward lines beginning with obtaining the top forwards with our early picks as well as a goalie, we can use our later picks to fix any shortcomings we think we may have on defence but the priority has to be the Forwards this time around. I rest my case !
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Post by lalalaprise on May 3, 2010 17:25:05 GMT -4
Ive stated my opinion on this...its no sense in going over this in circles...we will see what happens on draft day. I know one thing though...Matheson is by far the best prospect available...and I say that with utmost confidence. I also know Halifax wants him...so I guess youre going to have to get used to watching him Sharrow...you will watch him dominate as a 17, 18 and 19 year old in this league while your favourite prospect (Ciampini) struggles to score goals with BaC...but hey...Halifax should have taken the forward instead right?
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Post by howitzer on May 3, 2010 17:50:52 GMT -4
sharrow, just curious, has it occured to you you're the only one on here saying "forward forward forward"??
I don't know why your so obsessed with it. You take the best player period, and figure things out afterwards, whether that means trading players or whatever. But most reasonable hockey fans of any junior team or any NHL team for that matter, will subscribe to "draft the best player available" theory.
You say "forwards forwards forwards" (and always in caps lock, not sure why, we can all read regular font just fine) but what about the forwards we have right now? With natural maturity and improvement they will score more goals then last year. Our whole offensive output for the next 3-4 years is going to rely solely on Luca Ciampni or Taylor Burke if we go by your theory and draft a forward. Young guys like Desjardins, Gelinas, Andrews, Boudreau, MacDonald will all improve to some extent. Plus Grant will be a solid 20, Bernard will do, well no one knows, but he should improve haha. Those guys will score enough goals to make the team respectable. Plus a new euro, and our 4 other picks in the top 37, and then the rest of our picks in the draft is more then enough opportunity to get forwards. Skilled scoring forwards exist in the 2nd round you know, and we have 3 picks in that round, so don't worry, we'll get forwards.
And yes we drafted a lot of defencemen last year, and ya, they all look pretty good right now, but that doesn't mean you just check off defence from your list and not look to add to it. You can never have enough good talented dmen. Plus whos to say Lewis or Bishop will pan out anyway. Just because they're young and have potential doesn't guarantee they'll be good players in this league. Plus maybe Abeltshauser becomes injury prone, maybe Clarke becomes unmanageable and we get rid of him. Maybe Hannay doesn't improve. How deep will the D look then?
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Post by canucklehead on May 3, 2010 17:58:21 GMT -4
Ive stated my opinion on this...its no sense in going over this in circles...we will see what happens on draft day. I know one thing though...Matheson is by far the best prospect available...and I say that with utmost confidence. I also know Halifax wants him...so I guess youre going to have to get used to watching him Sharrow...you will watch him dominate as a 17, 18 and 19 year old in this league while your favourite prospect (Ciampini) struggles to score goals with BaC...but hey...Halifax should have taken the forward instead right? Do you think Baie Comeau is going to draft Ciampini over Dominic Poulin or Matheson? I'm not sure I'd say Ciampini is going to struggle to score goals ... eventually but I wouldn't expect him to come in and be an instant shot in the arm of the offense either so if the reason for drafting Ciampini is to help the offense next year it's not a great idea when Matheson could play on your 2nd pairing.
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Post by canbeer on May 3, 2010 18:18:35 GMT -4
Bottom line is that drafting forwards or making our first pick a forward isn't going to mean we go from scoring 170 goals to 240 goals... plain and simple is that a bunch of 16 year old forwards are not going to make much of an offensive difference next year in scoring. In fact if we have a half dozen rookie forwards in the lineup every night we'll probably score less goals.
You don't draft on need, especially early, you take the best player. Think about it, if a team needs a starting goalie they don't draft a 16 year old goalie in the first round and then think they're set in their starting role next year. If a team need a PP QB you don't expect a 16 year old to fill that role. Needs tend to be immediate but the draft results and those drafted players paying off doesn't tend to happen for sometimes 2 but usually 3 or 4 years.
They can take the best player #2 overall and hopefully that's Matheson... if he's not there it sounds like trading down is the best option. If they trade down to say the 8-12 (or whatever range) they should look at adding a 17 or 18 year old forward as a return for doing that... someone that can help with scoring. If they do get Matheson then their depth on D could allow them to package something like one of their 2nds and Lewis or Bishop for a 17-18 year old forward. Don't pass up on a big talent because they want forward but should be creative in other ways.
Hopefully they can get a good Euro forward, maybe use one of the picks to target Ashley or Tesink who may make an easier transition/earlier impact after playing Jr. A, hopefully after a big year in midget Bourdeau can help a bit. But if adding scoring this year is the biggest need than trading for older, experienced, offensive players is what the Moose would need to do. There's no Crosby this year... I mean even with the huge year Couturier had this year he only had about 30 points as a rookie.
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Post by lalalaprise on May 3, 2010 18:20:10 GMT -4
Ive stated my opinion on this...its no sense in going over this in circles...we will see what happens on draft day. I know one thing though...Matheson is by far the best prospect available...and I say that with utmost confidence. I also know Halifax wants him...so I guess youre going to have to get used to watching him Sharrow...you will watch him dominate as a 17, 18 and 19 year old in this league while your favourite prospect (Ciampini) struggles to score goals with BaC...but hey...Halifax should have taken the forward instead right? Do you think Baie Comeau is going to draft Ciampini over Dominic Poulin or Matheson? I'm not sure I'd say Ciampini is going to struggle to score goals ... eventually but I wouldn't expect him to come in and be an instant shot in the arm of the offense either so if the reason for drafting Ciampini is to help the offense next year it's not a great idea when Matheson could play on your 2nd pairing. Ya thats what I meant, struggling to score goals at 16..considering Sharrow wants to draft players for what they will immediatly do at 16 and not think about the long term. I think BaC would take Ciampini over Poulin at this stage...Matheson could be playing games so BC may not want to risk their #1 pick.
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Post by fireball on May 3, 2010 19:19:47 GMT -4
The Mooseheads should take the best player, which it looks like is Matheson. In my heart I would also like to see a draft like the year of the Tanguay midget draft and see the Moose get lucky and have the same results this June !
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Post by fireball on May 3, 2010 19:20:04 GMT -4
The Mooseheads should take the best player, which it looks like is Matheson. In my heart I would also like to see a draft like the year of the Tanguay midget draft and see the Moose get lucky and have the same results this June !
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2010 20:01:35 GMT -4
Sharrow has made some good points in this thread. Building back the fan base with a team that can not score goals is not easy. I expect some progression from some of last years players, but I do think we are further along the way in devoloping a better defense then forwards. Having said that if Matheson is a Gormley type player then you can't pass him up if he is availiable.
I am sure Cam realizes the need for goal scorers next year and the draft will not solve that problem. The Euro draft may give us a guy ready to step in. I would think that some trades are possible.
I do think it will be an interesting draft/trading period for the Moose.
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Post by Jacques Strap on May 3, 2010 20:48:13 GMT -4
Let's hope B.C. management doesn't read this board cuz they'll know to talk Matheson first. ;D
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Post by Qfan69 on May 4, 2010 5:07:59 GMT -4
sharrow, just curious, has it occured to you you're the only one on here saying "forward forward forward"?? I don't know why your so obsessed with it. You take the best player period, and figure things out afterwards, whether that means trading players or whatever. But most reasonable hockey fans of any junior team or any NHL team for that matter, will subscribe to "draft the best player available" theory. You say "forwards forwards forwards" (and always in caps lock, not sure why, we can all read regular font just fine) but what about the forwards we have right now? With natural maturity and improvement they will score more goals then last year. Our whole offensive output for the next 3-4 years is going to rely solely on Luca Ciampni or Taylor Burke if we go by your theory and draft a forward. Young guys like Desjardins, Gelinas, Andrews, Boudreau, MacDonald will all improve to some extent. Plus Grant will be a solid 20, Bernard will do, well no one knows, but he should improve haha. Those guys will score enough goals to make the team respectable. Plus a new euro, and our 4 other picks in the top 37, and then the rest of our picks in the draft is more then enough opportunity to get forwards. Skilled scoring forwards exist in the 2nd round you know, and we have 3 picks in that round, so don't worry, we'll get forwards. And yes we drafted a lot of defencemen last year, and ya, they all look pretty good right now, but that doesn't mean you just check off defence from your list and not look to add to it. You can never have enough good talented dmen. Plus whos to say Lewis or Bishop will pan out anyway. Just because they're young and have potential doesn't guarantee they'll be good players in this league. Plus maybe Abeltshauser becomes injury prone, maybe Clarke becomes unmanageable and we get rid of him. Maybe Hannay doesn't improve. How deep will the D look then? I couldn't have said it better myself. How is it he is the only one that thinks this is the way to go? I have to ask Sharrow have you seen either Luca or Gamelin play? Next if we were to get another 1st rounder how do you really think we keep every other pick we have in the first 3 rounds plus not have to give up a Carl or Brent? Its a good thing you don't run the team there would be more people dressed like orange seats at metro center.
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Post by mikeb on May 4, 2010 7:24:14 GMT -4
I sincerely hope that the top management of this organization reads this site from time to time and takes note that the crisis is OFFENSIVE OUTPUT and its been a crisis for the last two years and it must be job #1 this off season and the upcoming draft, YES! YES! YES! The team's management must read this board to figure out how to run the team. Without your gems of wisdom they are doomed to fail.... You should be thankful if the team doesn't read these boards. They should be going about the practice of managing a professional team without the distraction of reading the garbage from us amateurs.
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