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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 24, 2010 14:35:12 GMT -4
My thinking is that Horyl might agree to playing 3 months for a Team that has one...........a shot at it and 2 .........considers him to be an upgrade on what they have now . As far as the Memorial Cup Bid being political to get the renovations....................then why did they bring in all these great Hockey Minds ? Public perception of course Hal.. c'mon you know that What public perception? CB is like everywhere else in Canada....put the Mem Cup here and we'll sell it. But you're not fooling this crowd into believing you're a contender based on who is in the front office.
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Post by reality on Aug 24, 2010 14:55:32 GMT -4
bois, since you posted, "and you won't be as bad as most are predicting this season either"
Which teams do you see the Eagles finishing ahead of, this season?
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Post by reality on Aug 24, 2010 15:07:01 GMT -4
Jack, perhaps the Eagles have decided to go for depth in the front office since most of us seriously question their ability to develop quality depth on the ice, in 2 short seasons, to resemble a legitimate Memorial Cup contender?
In the last 2 Memorial Cups, Drummondville, Rimouski and Moncton all had great depth but came up short still, partly due to key injuries. Those teams had top 20 year old's and a wealth of quality 19 year old's. I just can't imagine the Eagles shaping up the same way without an abundance of top draft picks or tradeable assets!
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Post by christopher on Aug 24, 2010 16:06:05 GMT -4
On the qmjhl section of the board, there is a rumour that the Eagles may be interested in Chris Doyle. Anyone else hear anything on this?
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Post by reality on Aug 24, 2010 16:27:56 GMT -4
I didn't think things could get much worse!
If rumor is true, apparently the Eagles didn't learn anything last year from getting away from the former policy of only adding "Character" players. Adam and Lagace were both "I" or "Me" players instead of "TEAM" players in my opinion.
They also took a chance on players with previous issues and that didn't really pan out well. Chris Doyle has always had a great shot but he has also had issues.
If you are rebuilding in the mold of previous hard working TEAMS, I don't think you really should be going that route!
I can't believe Guy Chouinard would endorse this move!
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 24, 2010 16:59:34 GMT -4
On the qmjhl section of the board, there is a rumour that the Eagles may be interested in Chris Doyle. Anyone else hear anything on this? No there isn't. Someone saying we might be interested in him on the simple basis that he is a 20 and we only have 2 is not a rumor. How can others hear anything on someone elses opinion?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 24, 2010 17:02:44 GMT -4
I didn't think things could get much worse! If rumor is true, apparently the Eagles didn't learn anything last year from getting away from the former policy of only adding "Character" players. Adam and Lagace were both "I" or "Me" players instead of "TEAM" players in my opinion. They also took a chance on players with previous issues and that didn't really pan out well. Chris Doyle has always had a great shot but he has also had issues. If you are rebuilding in the mold of previous hard working TEAMS, I don't think you really should be going that route! I can't believe Guy Chouinard would endorse this move! You realize you're getting all worked up because 1 poster said...and I quote... "I can see CB having an interest in Doyle."
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Post by brec7 on Aug 24, 2010 17:16:19 GMT -4
Since this thread is pretty much the same as the "cuts" thread, I'll just put all thoughts here.
I think the Eagles will probably be better than expected this year, but only because expectations are so low. I think this team can make the playoffs, but even with an underrated core of prospects it's definitely an exaggeration to say this team's future looks bright right now.
Given the team's lack of depth, I think it's worth to give up a pick (even if we're slim on them) to get a surplus 20 (Possibly Stephens or Peterson from Moncton) in order to keep this team competitive in more games. I'm not keen on the idea of picking up Doyle, for a variety of reasons.
I don't understand why a guy like MacIntosh should be in trouble- he had good numbers for a 17 year old, especially for a late round pick who didn't get a lot of top line ice time. I think he's a darkhorse to be a top 6 forward by 19, and at worst will be a good 3rd line guy who can score the occasional goal. Bergeron may be a different story- he's essentially a rookie with how little ice time he had last season. It's good to have an eye on guys like Cochrane & Millman, but if these guys are going to find their way onto the team at Christmas, I'd rather it be at the expense of Dion (or Plouffe if he doesn't show much in the first few months).
I don't see much other movement at Christmas time. Ellis would have great value, but *if* the team is serious about the 2012 dream he'd be a key cog on that team. Even if they're not, I think we'd get even higher value for him at age 19.
I think Horyl COULD emerge as an impact 20 this year... but in order to do that he has to stay healthy and I'm quite skeptical about that. It'd be great if he put up big numbers and had big trade value, but would he be willing to report to where he was traded?
As for 2012...
bois may be correct in saying that the 2012 bid is a means of building to a 2015 bid. That, in itself, is fine. However, I think many are weary of valuable team resources being poured into the bid (like all these advisors). Also, the comments in the paper about guys like Herrett being building blocks are embarassing and insulting to the fanbase. I'm also guessing the team is really hoping that Saint John does not win this bid because I don't think there's any way the Cup comes to the Maritimes 2 times in a row.
The biggest worry for me and many other fans is how far the organisation will go with this "bluffing" to host the 2012 Memorial Cup. How will it affect how the team is being built?
IF the following things all happen, winning the 2012 Cup bid and icing a contender is possible: - Draft picks & FA's playing well above expectation - Brodeur being sent down and getting a large return - The team being smart enough to trade Hertzberg at Christmas - Dion putting up numbers like he did with Montreal and getting a good return in a deal - Winning the Cup bid gets us some NCAA guys along with a high profile European
If ALL THAT happens, the Eagles could host the Memorial Cup and have a competitive team in doing so. Individually, none of those things happening is that unrealistic. But ALL of them happening? Pretty unrealistic.
Now if the team is smart enough to throw away the 2012 dream there is a decent core in place to make a run in 2012-2013. But I'm really not sure if we have that much top end talent in place for such a run and the only thing that's close to a sure bet to bring back a lot in a trade down the road would be Ellis.
Hopefully the rookies on this year's team surprise and impress, but not in such a way to actually delude any of the brains up top into thinking going all in for 2012 is a good idea.
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Post by christopher on Aug 24, 2010 17:23:29 GMT -4
On the qmjhl section of the board, there is a rumour that the Eagles may be interested in Chris Doyle. Anyone else hear anything on this? No there isn't. Someone saying we might be interested in him on the simple basis that he is a 20 and we only have 2 is not a rumor. How can others hear anything on someone elses opinion? Semantics. Lets not go down this road again. hahaha
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 24, 2010 17:26:05 GMT -4
No there isn't. Someone saying we might be interested in him on the simple basis that he is a 20 and we only have 2 is not a rumor. How can others hear anything on someone elses opinion? Semantics. Lets not go down this road again. hahaha It's not semantics. If I said the Eagles might be interested in Sean Couturier you wouldn't call that a rumor. A rumor has a source....there's no semantics involved.
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Post by christopher on Aug 24, 2010 17:31:12 GMT -4
Semantics. Lets not go down this road again. hahaha It's not semantics. If I said the Eagles might be interested in Sean Couturier you wouldn't call that a rumor. A rumor has a source....there's no semantics involved. I sure would. In that example: You = source. Your statement of Couturier being sought after by the Eagles = the rumour. Again, not trying to open this up again. We've come a long way.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 24, 2010 17:39:43 GMT -4
It's not semantics. If I said the Eagles might be interested in Sean Couturier you wouldn't call that a rumor. A rumor has a source....there's no semantics involved. I sure would. In that example: You = source. Your statement of Couturier being sought after by the Eagles = the rumour. Again, not trying to open this up again. We've come a long way. But I never said he was being sought after....I drew a logical conclusion from him being a top scorer and the Eagles needing a top scorer...how is that a rumor? I never said I heard they were interested....or someone told me they were interested..just that they might be interested....that is not a rumor. Willy Palov saying he heard the Eagles were interested or the CB Post saying they heard the Eagles were trying to......that's a rumor and whoever the media heard is from is the source. There's a huge difference.
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Post by bois on Aug 24, 2010 18:28:10 GMT -4
bois, since you posted, "and you won't be as bad as most are predicting this season either" Which teams do you see the Eagles finishing ahead of, this season? Baie Comeau.... hard to say specific teams before we even see opening night rosters and who returns to the Q aftre pro tryouts etc.... I just don't feel it's a given you guys will finish in the basement...
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Post by bois on Aug 24, 2010 18:34:37 GMT -4
You aren't actually building towards a 2012 Memorial Cup team......... it was political to get renovations done at your rink ... don't sweat over it and you won't be as bad as most are predicting this season either as for trade period.... wait and see what happens in the first half before claiming you actually have nothing of value to trade.... What's the point of a message board if we're all going to "wait and see"? I see no harm in discussing the teams options right now, it's not like they'll be drastically different at Xmas. And you need to let the renovation thing go....the team wouldn't be still hiring people and still talking about hosting if they weren't going all out for it....part of me admires their drive to go for it regardless and see what happens....but the other part of me is the realist wondering why the money is being spent on a pipe dream instead of on the product which puts you in a better position to host then a 10 man front office does anyway. how do you know the teams options won't be drastically different at xmas? what if a guy like Broduer or Lagace returns? you don't think that's not drastically different? what's the point of a messageboard if I'm not allowed to have a diferent view than your sky is always falling in CB view? how much money is being spent ? how would it be better spent on the ice? I never believed for a second CB was a serious contender for the 2012 Cup.... however since they went thru with the actual bid they have to show the general public they are trying.... it's all for a possible future bid when the team will be properly set up..... that's what I mean by public perception.....
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Post by reality on Aug 24, 2010 19:19:20 GMT -4
Thank you Jack for reassuring me that there is no interest in adding Chris Doyle, if that is actually what you did.
Top scorers don't always add anything positive to a team as we learned last year when the top goal scorer in the Q turned into a huge disappointment.
I just really hope that the Eagles learned from the hard lessons of last season!
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