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Post by lirette on Dec 4, 2014 16:10:55 GMT -4
The problem is where do you trade those assets? Our main assets (Euros and OA's) are virtually untradeable. For what the Cats would get from them, they might as well keep them and try to make a couple of playoff rounds. Next year you sell, since the Cats would likely be low to mid-pack. Why would they be untradeable? Quebec has only one Euro. BBA only has 2 OA's. There are other openings... Plus a guy like Sweeney fits anywhere and the 19 year old market on defense is weak. Johnson and Johnston if the price is high enough. Next year Dubeau Lalonde Tkachev Barbashev and maybe Sweeney are gone. If Sweeney is back you are still looking at trading an OA. The selling probably won't be better next year. Well..seeing as Lalonde is still hurt and could be done for the season I'm sure BBA doesn't want him at this point. Talbot Tassi can't go back there and they don't need a goaltender. So I don't see them being an option at all.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2014 16:15:23 GMT -4
I agree that Moncton should keep their 1st round pick for next year. I would like to see them pick up a good rugged D-man to shore up the defense, what would it take to pick a player like Austyn Hardie from Halifax ? He has playoff experience and has won a Championship. He would be an upgrade over Tassi but they are already down a couple picks..Hardie would cost a 3rd plus maybe a 4th, would leave the picks depleted. Moncton : 1-3-4-6SHA-7-8-9-10BAT-11-13-14 2nd and 5th are gone.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2014 16:16:47 GMT -4
Why would they be untradeable? Quebec has only one Euro. BBA only has 2 OA's. There are other openings... Plus a guy like Sweeney fits anywhere and the 19 year old market on defense is weak. Johnson and Johnston if the price is high enough. Next year Dubeau Lalonde Tkachev Barbashev and maybe Sweeney are gone. If Sweeney is back you are still looking at trading an OA. The selling probably won't be better next year. Well..seeing as Lalonde is still hurt and could be done for the season I'm sure BBA doesn't want him at this point. Talbot Tassi can't go back there and they don't need a goaltender. So I don't see them being an option at all. Obviously Lalonde's health affects his value and the Cats plans in the next month...if he might be out for the year it's one more reason to sell.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 4, 2014 16:32:23 GMT -4
The problem is where do you trade those assets? Our main assets (Euros and OA's) are virtually untradeable. For what the Cats would get from them, they might as well keep them and try to make a couple of playoff rounds. Next year you sell, since the Cats would likely be low to mid-pack. Why would they be untradeable? Quebec has only one Euro. BBA only has 2 OA's. There are other openings... Plus a guy like Sweeney fits anywhere and the 19 year old market on defense is weak. Johnson and Johnston if the price is high enough. Next year Dubeau Lalonde Tkachev Barbashev and maybe Sweeney are gone. If Sweeney is back you are still looking at trading an OA. The selling probably won't be better next year. Talbot-tassi can't go back to BBA ... so only the forever-injured Lalonde can go there ... sounds like we'd get a big return for him. They don't need our under-performing goaltender. They are out as an option. Quebec does not have their own 1st or 2nd as I scan the trades since May ... but they do have CB's 2nd I think. they don't have a whole lot to buy anything. How much is enough for Barbashev or Tkachev ? Our OAs next year are Sweeney, Johnson and Johnston ... why dump them now if we'd have to replace them next year ? We don't have any other options for OAs at this point unless you are bringing back Barbashev or Tkachev ... and that is highly unlikley. Why do you say we need to dump an OA next year ? So if we can't sell anybody but Sweeney ... I agree that most teams would want him if they had a need on D ... why not add somebody to make full use of the star players we have now ? If all you can sell is Sweeney ... you might as well keep him and see how far you can go. I'm 75% certain he is back next year.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 4, 2014 16:36:52 GMT -4
Pretty sure the Euros come with no-trade agreements. An injured Lalonde and an under-performing Dubeau will not bring much in return. That only leaves Sweeney. Stick with those players instead of giving them away. Pretty sure the No trade isn't an issue if you're sending a guy to a top contender or Memorial Cup host. Not necessarily ... Barbashev can jump to the AHL and start getting paid as soon as we are out of the playoffs ... if he has to wait around for a Mem Cup then he might miss that chance. TKachev probably won't go anywhere that Barbashev isn't ... he'd probably agree to being traded with Barbashev. Europeans could probably care less about the Mem Cup ... they are here to make it to the pros.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2014 16:41:43 GMT -4
Why would they be untradeable? Quebec has only one Euro. BBA only has 2 OA's. There are other openings... Plus a guy like Sweeney fits anywhere and the 19 year old market on defense is weak. Johnson and Johnston if the price is high enough. Next year Dubeau Lalonde Tkachev Barbashev and maybe Sweeney are gone. If Sweeney is back you are still looking at trading an OA. The selling probably won't be better next year. Talbot-tassi can't go back to BBA ... so only the forever-injured Lalonde can go there ... sounds like we'd get a big return for him. They don't need our under-performing goaltender. They are out as an option. Quebec does not have their own 1st or 2nd as I scan the trades since May ... but they do have CB's 2nd I think. they don't have a whole lot to buy anything. How much is enough for Barbashev or Tkachev ? Our OAs next year are Sweeney, Johnson and Johnston ... why dump them now if we'd have to replace them next year ? We don't have any other options for OAs at this point unless you are bringing back Barbashev or Tkachev ... and that is highly unlikley. Why do you say we need to dump an OA next year ? So if we can't sell anybody but Sweeney ... I agree that most teams would want him if they had a need on D ... why not add somebody to make full use of the star players we have now ? If all you can sell is Sweeney ... you might as well keep him and see how far you can go. I'm 75% certain he is back next year. catnut suggested selling next year, that's why I spoke of those guys' value as OA's. If you're going to add it will be expensive, right now it looks like a lot of buyers and very few sellers. Are you ready to trade away the 2015 and 2016 1st rounders, Leger, and whoever else has trade value? There are not a lot of tradeable assets, if you add a couple pieces(guys that can play top 4 on D or top 6 up front) they will each cost 2 maybe 3 very good assets. The cupboards are not great to begin with... I'm sure if you put Dubeau and Barbashev on the market that you'd get bites..Lalonde also if things check out. Tkachev? who knows? Johnston would probably have surprising value, Johnson would be pretty good also. Use those assets to build towards 2017...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2014 16:48:36 GMT -4
Pretty sure the No trade isn't an issue if you're sending a guy to a top contender or Memorial Cup host. Not necessarily ... Barbashev can jump to the AHL and start getting paid as soon as we are out of the playoffs ... if he has to wait around for a Mem Cup then he might miss that chance. TKachev probably won't go anywhere that Barbashev isn't ... he'd probably agree to being traded with Barbashev. Europeans could probably care less about the Mem Cup ... they are here to make it to the pros. Most players would rather be traded and go far in the playoffs. I have never heard of a Euro rejecting a trade to finish earlier and play AHL.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 4, 2014 16:50:37 GMT -4
2017 ? Thats that 4 year rebuilding plan you don't want to get into. Do you even read your posts ?
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 4, 2014 16:52:31 GMT -4
Not necessarily ... Barbashev can jump to the AHL and start getting paid as soon as we are out of the playoffs ... if he has to wait around for a Mem Cup then he might miss that chance. TKachev probably won't go anywhere that Barbashev isn't ... he'd probably agree to being traded with Barbashev. Europeans could probably care less about the Mem Cup ... they are here to make it to the pros. Most players would rather be traded and go far in the playoffs. I have never heard of a Euro rejecting a trade to finish earlier and play AHL. Our National Championship doesn't hold so much value to a non-Canadian just trying to make it to the pros. How many Euros would have been traded in the last few years where this circumstance could crop up ? Maybe this is why you never heard of it.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2014 16:59:01 GMT -4
2017 ? Thats that 4 year rebuilding plan you don't want to get into. Do you even read your posts ? 2017 Memorial cup is 2 years from now. if they are a buyer this year, they'll be lucky to contend by 2019.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2014 16:59:38 GMT -4
Most players would rather be traded and go far in the playoffs. I have never heard of a Euro rejecting a trade to finish earlier and play AHL. Our National Championship doesn't hold so much value to a non-Canadian just trying to make it to the pros. How many Euros would have been traded in the last few years where this circumstance could crop up ? Maybe this is why you never heard of it. Go check the last 2-3 midseason trading periods...any Euros traded?
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Post by catnut on Dec 4, 2014 17:04:51 GMT -4
2017 ? Thats that 4 year rebuilding plan you don't want to get into. Do you even read your posts ? 2017 Memorial cup is 2 years from now. if they are a buyer this year, they'll be lucky to contend by 2019. So that would be 4 years from 2013.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2014 17:24:07 GMT -4
2017 Memorial cup is 2 years from now. if they are a buyer this year, they'll be lucky to contend by 2019. So that would be 4 years from 2013. What does 2013 have to do with anything?
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 4, 2014 17:38:38 GMT -4
So that would be 4 years from 2013. What does 2013 have to do with anything? We went for it in 2013 ... began rebuilding in the 13/14 season ... we'll continue the rebuild this year if we sell ... year 2 ... 15/16 would be year 3 ... 2017 playoffs would be 4 years since last contending.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 4, 2014 17:39:50 GMT -4
Our National Championship doesn't hold so much value to a non-Canadian just trying to make it to the pros. How many Euros would have been traded in the last few years where this circumstance could crop up ? Maybe this is why you never heard of it. Go check the last 2-3 midseason trading periods...any Euros traded? From that though ... I can't tell which ones weren't traded. You see how this works ?
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