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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 4, 2014 17:46:02 GMT -4
What does 2013 have to do with anything? We went for it in 2013 ... began rebuilding in the 13/14 season ... we'll continue the rebuild this year if we sell ... year 2 ... 15/16 would be year 3 ... 2017 playoffs would be 4 years since last contending. They traded a few small pieces last year, I hardly would call that starting a rebuild. The cupboards are still pretty bare, so what they do this year is key. I don't see anywhere near enough pieces to contend anytime soon.
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Post by Arnold Slick on Dec 4, 2014 18:06:44 GMT -4
So let's see what we've established so far...
First of all you say it's a weak sellers market and then provide no real viable options as trade partners. Quebec could be in the mix for a Euro, but as Steve said how much can they offer? Seems like their prime assets are going to be moved to acquire Auger or maybe Fucale. Also is there some sort of agreement that Barbashev and Tkachev can't be moved anyway?
Including BB as a trade partner is laughable. As catnut mentioned they have three overage players anyway and they're all quite good. No fit there at all.
So is that it? Boy, really sounds like the Cats will get a huge haul from selling!!
You can sit here and say all you want that they should sell, but you've shown that possible destinations are limited. Just because they dangle Barbashev or Dubeau or whoever doesn't mean some team is magically going to come in and make a huge offer. There actually has to be a fit. Not sure why that's so difficult to grasp.
But continue on with the sell campaign that clearly doesn't have much viability to it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 20:39:45 GMT -4
Lalonde and Tkachev return to the lineup this weekend
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 4, 2014 21:11:07 GMT -4
Lalonde and Tkachev return to the lineup this weekend Well ... that changes the outlook again ... roller coaster.
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Post by Doublesnipers on Dec 4, 2014 21:34:41 GMT -4
Great news!!!
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Post by Arnold Slick on Dec 4, 2014 21:50:21 GMT -4
Wonder who ends up being the odd man out on the 1st PP unit? There's absolutely no way you can remove Garland from that unit at this point. I'd also rather not see them go back to four forwards on the PP. That was a train wreck last season with the amount of shorthanded goals and chances given up.
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Post by lirette on Dec 4, 2014 21:54:03 GMT -4
This is what I'd do
Garland-Barbashev-Askew Murphy-Lalonde-Tkachev Smith-Johnson-Tibbo Leger-Bower-Cormier/Duquette
I really liked Murphys play lately, starting to see some of his potential come through. You can always switch him and leger there if things aren't working out but I like the balance here. 3rd line is all fast skaters that play a 2 way game but Smith and especially Johnson have given us some surprise offense this season.
Top PP would be Garland/barbashev/lalonde/Tassi/Sweeney 2nd unit Johnson/Tkachev/Askew/Malatesta/Johnston
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Post by tal on Dec 4, 2014 22:22:28 GMT -4
This is what I'd do Garland-Barbashev-Askew Murphy-Lalonde-Tkachev Smith-Johnson-Tibbo Leger-Bower-Cormier/Duquette I really liked Murphys play lately, starting to see some of his potential come through. You can always switch him and leger there if things aren't working out but I like the balance here. 3rd line is all fast skaters that play a 2 way game but Smith and especially Johnson have given us some surprise offense this season. Top PP would be Garland/barbashev/lalonde/Tassi/Sweeney 2nd unit Johnson/Tkachev/Askew/Malatesta/Johnston Totally agree on Murphy - he's come a long way in a short time this fall. I'd like to see what he can do with regular 2nd line minutes. I'm not sold on Tibbo on the 3rd line - I think his play has been fine, but I find the 10-11-12 line has played really well together. On a separate note - is Tkachev even tradeable? Euros can only be traded now after playing a year in the Q - if they use a calendar year, since he didn't play until mid-Jan last year, his year would be up only after the trade period closes. If they use a season as the year, this is his first full season. Does anyone know exactly how that rule works?
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Post by lirette on Dec 4, 2014 22:42:03 GMT -4
This is what I'd do Garland-Barbashev-Askew Murphy-Lalonde-Tkachev Smith-Johnson-Tibbo Leger-Bower-Cormier/Duquette I really liked Murphys play lately, starting to see some of his potential come through. You can always switch him and leger there if things aren't working out but I like the balance here. 3rd line is all fast skaters that play a 2 way game but Smith and especially Johnson have given us some surprise offense this season. Top PP would be Garland/barbashev/lalonde/Tassi/Sweeney 2nd unit Johnson/Tkachev/Askew/Malatesta/Johnston Totally agree on Murphy - he's come a long way in a short time this fall. I'd like to see what he can do with regular 2nd line minutes. I'm not sold on Tibbo on the 3rd line - I think his play has been fine, but I find the 10-11-12 line has played really well together. On a separate note - is Tkachev even tradeable? Euros can only be traded now after playing a year in the Q - if they use a calendar year, since he didn't play until mid-Jan last year, his year would be up only after the trade period closes. If they use a season as the year, this is his first full season. Does anyone know exactly how that rule works? I dont think Olivier has shown much. That line being good I think has been more of a credit to Smith and Johnsons play. If you look back at Oliviers career through bantam and midget hes never been a scorer. Still lots of time for him to develop but I dont see him ever being anymore than a 3rd liner at best,. Tibbo was almost a PPG player last season in JR A as a 17 year old and had 121 pts one of his years in midget. The potential is there i think he just needs good linemates, he's spent the bulk of his playing time this season with weak offensive players.
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Post by Penguins23® on Dec 4, 2014 22:43:53 GMT -4
This is what I'd do Garland-Barbashev-Askew Murphy-Lalonde-Tkachev Smith-Johnson-Tibbo Leger-Bower-Cormier/Duquette I really liked Murphys play lately, starting to see some of his potential come through. You can always switch him and leger there if things aren't working out but I like the balance here. 3rd line is all fast skaters that play a 2 way game but Smith and especially Johnson have given us some surprise offense this season. Top PP would be Garland/barbashev/lalonde/Tassi/Sweeney 2nd unit Johnson/Tkachev/Askew/Malatesta/Johnston Totally agree on Murphy - he's come a long way in a short time this fall. I'd like to see what he can do with regular 2nd line minutes. I'm not sold on Tibbo on the 3rd line - I think his play has been fine, but I find the 10-11-12 line has played really well together. On a separate note - is Tkachev even tradeable? Euros can only be traded now after playing a year in the Q - if they use a calendar year, since he didn't play until mid-Jan last year, his year would be up only after the trade period closes. If they use a season as the year, this is his first full season. Does anyone know exactly how that rule works? Has nothing to do with when he played. It's a full calendar year after he was drafted. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to Quebec to be honest. Sent from my SGH-I337M using proboards
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Dec 5, 2014 6:28:10 GMT -4
Leger deserves to NOT be on the fourth line. He's going to be some good ! Very smart player , always in the right place at the right time. He's a great find by Gilles Tasse , especially for a 4th round pick.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 5, 2014 8:03:52 GMT -4
Leger deserves to NOT be on the fourth line. He's going to be some good ! Very smart player , always in the right place at the right time. He's a great find by Gilles Tasse , especially for a 4th round pick. He's probably the best U18 player the Cats have...kind of a compliment for him but not really for the team. He should be a solid Q player but probably not a star. Cormier has some skill and is tough, Askew has size and skill but no grit. Holwell, he looked solid last year but lost his way this year. Same for Olivier. Murphy has pretty good skills but he looks out of shape. Leger is probably the safest bet to be a top 6 guy.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 5, 2014 8:11:31 GMT -4
So let's see what we've established so far... First of all you say it's a weak sellers market and then provide no real viable options as trade partners. Quebec could be in the mix for a Euro, but as Steve said how much can they offer? Seems like their prime assets are going to be moved to acquire Auger or maybe Fucale. Also is there some sort of agreement that Barbashev and Tkachev can't be moved anyway? Including BB as a trade partner is laughable. As catnut mentioned they have three overage players anyway and they're all quite good. No fit there at all. So is that it? Boy, really sounds like the Cats will get a huge haul from selling!! You can sit here and say all you want that they should sell, but you've shown that possible destinations are limited. Just because they dangle Barbashev or Dubeau or whoever doesn't mean some team is magically going to come in and make a huge offer. There actually has to be a fit. Not sure why that's so difficult to grasp. But continue on with the sell campaign that clearly doesn't have much viability to it. again, if you sell the player on being able to play on a contender, the NTC is a non issue. Kamaev Kucherov Straka Kabanov(twice) have all been traded even with the usual Euro NTC's. The 1 year wwaiting period actually helps the Cats because not all Euros can be moved this year but Barbashev and Tkachev can...
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 5, 2014 8:17:12 GMT -4
Totally agree on Murphy - he's come a long way in a short time this fall. I'd like to see what he can do with regular 2nd line minutes. I'm not sold on Tibbo on the 3rd line - I think his play has been fine, but I find the 10-11-12 line has played really well together. On a separate note - is Tkachev even tradeable? Euros can only be traded now after playing a year in the Q - if they use a calendar year, since he didn't play until mid-Jan last year, his year would be up only after the trade period closes. If they use a season as the year, this is his first full season. Does anyone know exactly how that rule works? Has nothing to do with when he played. It's a full calendar year after he was drafted. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to Quebec to be honest. Sent from my SGH-I337M using proboards Have we seen those rules written anywhere yet ? Last year with the Karabacek fiasco nobody was certain how the rule actually read.
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Post by Penguins23® on Dec 5, 2014 9:42:53 GMT -4
Has nothing to do with when he played. It's a full calendar year after he was drafted. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to Quebec to be honest. Sent from my SGH-I337M using proboards Have we seen those rules written anywhere yet ? Last year with the Karabacek fiasco nobody was certain how the rule actually read. The dilemma there was that the import draft was a day after the full year so Gatineau couldn't draft a Euro to replace him because he could only be traded AFTER the import draft. It's a really dumb rule, they should change it to 11 months or something.
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