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Post by mooseinfo on Jun 3, 2014 14:36:59 GMT -4
I wonder if players get access to these rules. At the very least they make it complicated if they are not public knowledge. A player(family) making decisions would have to look long and hard and most are just average players trying to get some education money. I know there have been a few that got caught by changes in the past. They only put the fluff on their websites. That's supposed to be the agents or advisors job. Actually in this case a CHLPA would be more suited. Agents are more concerned about players when they can make money off them. I doubt they had any input to the changes and the players have no voice. The league is just creating the conditions for a PA to be formed. If they are so concerned for the players why be so secretive. Is every agent/parent/player calling each time there is a board meeting to find out the changes.
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Post by Murph on Jun 3, 2014 15:01:36 GMT -4
That's supposed to be the agents or advisors job. Actually in this case a CHLPA would be more suited. Agents are more concerned about players when they can make money off them. I doubt they had any input to the changes and the players have no voice. The league is just creating the conditions for a PA to be formed. If they are so concerned for the players why be so secretive. Is every agent/parent/player calling each time there is a board meeting to find out the changes. Ok.... but you asked who would be responsible for knowing all the ins and outs. It's the agents or advisors. That's all. That's why they're paid (and they don't get paid off juniors, they get paid off contracts signed after junior). I agree this is a situation where the chlpa would be a great asset to the players. Unfortunately for the players, the current group behind the chlpa don't have a lot of credibility anymore.
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Post by statsman18 on Jun 4, 2014 8:02:29 GMT -4
Last night was just going over the draft and seen that Bathurst had 3 picks in the third round. I really wish Cam made the Ryan trade earlier like at there 2nd pick in the third and got the 44 and 57 pick instead of the 57th pick and the 5th rounder. They could have grabbed both Keith Getson and Barrett Dachyshyn. That to me would have been the return worthy of trading Ryan. Then we could have even had a all NS kid line.
One of those could have been thingy.
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Post by Citris on Jun 4, 2014 8:17:40 GMT -4
Last night was just going over the draft and seen that Bathurst had 3 picks in the third round. I really wish Cam made the Ryan trade earlier like at there 2nd pick in the third and got the 44 and 57 pick instead of the 57th pick and the 5th rounder. They could have grabbed both Keith Getson and Barrett Dachyshyn. That to me would have been the return worthy of trading Ryan. Then we could have even had a all NS kid line. One of those could have been thingy. It kind of seems like Marino and Dachyshyn were the guys we wanted tho. I think regardless of what picks we got, we'd have picked the same players. Maybe a late 3rd and 5th is low for Andrew Ryan, but it may also be a moot point in the end. It's also possible A-Ry goes to Bathurst and puts up a 12 goal / 30 point season because he has nobody to play with and no real motivation. Then again, he could also score 30 +. Ryan has never been "the guy" in Halifax, and even though last season he scored 27 (I think), he never really drew top defenders. It's going to be a challenging season as the biggest goal scoring threat with the Titan. Time will tell how this deal worked out for us.
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Post by statsman18 on Jun 4, 2014 10:37:28 GMT -4
Last night was just going over the draft and seen that Bathurst had 3 picks in the third round. I really wish Cam made the Ryan trade earlier like at there 2nd pick in the third and got the 44 and 57 pick instead of the 57th pick and the 5th rounder. They could have grabbed both Keith Getson and Barrett Dachyshyn. That to me would have been the return worthy of trading Ryan. Then we could have even had a all NS kid line. One of those could have been thingy. It kind of seems like Marino and Dachyshyn were the guys we wanted tho. I think regardless of what picks we got, we'd have picked the same players. Maybe a late 3rd and 5th is low for Andrew Ryan, but it may also be a moot point in the end. It's also possible A-Ry goes to Bathurst and puts up a 12 goal / 30 point season because he has nobody to play with and no real motivation. Then again, he could also score 30 +. Ryan has never been "the guy" in Halifax, and even though last season he scored 27 (I think), he never really drew top defenders. It's going to be a challenging season as the biggest goal scoring threat with the Titan. Time will tell how this deal worked out for us. Marino was not the pick from the trade. He was picked with our own pick. Dachyshyn and Nauss were the guys we got from the Ryan picks.
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Post by Citris on Jun 4, 2014 10:39:56 GMT -4
Marino was not the pick from the trade. He was picked with our own pick. Dachyshyn and Nauss were the guys we got from the Ryan picks. I know that. My point was even if we had a mid-high second round pick and the second last pick in the third, we'd probably end up with the same 2 players. Maybe not tho.
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Post by statsman18 on Jun 4, 2014 10:59:37 GMT -4
Marino was not the pick from the trade. He was picked with our own pick. Dachyshyn and Nauss were the guys we got from the Ryan picks. I know that. My point was even if we had a mid-high second round pick and the second last pick in the third, we'd probably end up with the same 2 players. Maybe not tho. You are missing my point I'm saying we get another 3rd rounder. So that means we have 3 instead of the 2 we had so we get Getson as well.
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Post by Citris on Jun 4, 2014 12:05:17 GMT -4
I know that. My point was even if we had a mid-high second round pick and the second last pick in the third, we'd probably end up with the same 2 players. Maybe not tho. You are missing my point I'm saying we get another 3rd rounder. So that means we have 3 instead of the 2 we had so we get Getson as well. Why would Bathurst do 2 3rd's for Ryan? Doesn't make any sense for the Titan. Cam probably inquired about that earlier and they said no.
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Post by mooseinfo on Jun 4, 2014 12:09:55 GMT -4
You are missing my point I'm saying we get another 3rd rounder. So that means we have 3 instead of the 2 we had so we get Getson as well. Why would Bathurst do 2 3rd's for Ryan? Doesn't make any sense for the Titan. Cam probably inquired about that earlier and they said no. Looked like he was trying to get a 2nd from the islanders too. Had talks just before 2nd round.
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Post by mooseinfo on Jun 4, 2014 12:11:21 GMT -4
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Post by statsman18 on Jun 4, 2014 12:16:37 GMT -4
You are missing my point I'm saying we get another 3rd rounder. So that means we have 3 instead of the 2 we had so we get Getson as well. Why would Bathurst do 2 3rd's for Ryan? Doesn't make any sense for the Titan. Cam probably inquired about that earlier and they said no. Ryan has 63 career goals. 2 seasons in a row 20 goals or more. He goes in there the most career points and goals. You saying those numbers aren't worth 2 3rd rounds? I think so.
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Post by mooseinfo on Jun 4, 2014 12:28:27 GMT -4
Why would Bathurst do 2 3rd's for Ryan? Doesn't make any sense for the Titan. Cam probably inquired about that earlier and they said no. Ryan has 63 career goals. 2 seasons in a row 20 goals or more. He goes in there the most career points and goals. You saying those numbers aren't worth 2 3rd rounds? I think so. So you think Russell asked for a 3rd and 5th and got what he asked!
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Post by Citris on Jun 4, 2014 12:28:43 GMT -4
Why would Bathurst do 2 3rd's for Ryan? Doesn't make any sense for the Titan. Cam probably inquired about that earlier and they said no. Ryan has 63 career goals. 2 seasons in a row 20 goals or more. He goes in there the most career points and goals. You saying those numbers aren't worth 2 3rd rounds? I think so. Riddle me this. If Ryan was worth at least 2 3rd rounders, why didn't he get at least 2 3rd rounders? Ryan has never played against top defenders, and while a useful player he's certainly not a game-breaker; He's opportunistic, but he doesn't carry the play himself. Good Article. I don't really think the new guy is dropping the ball at all. Mooseheads website is actually worth visiting for the first time in forever. Sure, there may not be one long article recapping the draft like this, but it's a long summer, they're purposefully breaking up the information into several articles and releasing them at a staggered pace, which makes perfect sense in terms of generating traffic. The Mooseheads website has a much more in-depth article on Morgan Nass up at the moment, and a Video interview with Brett Crossley. I don't understand why the negativity about that is necessary, I think it's awesome! Again, the Q news is also good, and that's why you bookmark multiple sources of information, but if you prefer that it's fine, doesn't mean the Moosehead's site is bad.
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Post by statsman18 on Jun 4, 2014 12:44:55 GMT -4
Ryan has 63 career goals. 2 seasons in a row 20 goals or more. He goes in there the most career points and goals. You saying those numbers aren't worth 2 3rd rounds? I think so. So you think Russell asked for a 3rd and 5th and got what he asked! Never said that. I think it came down to he was offered that and was asking for more and while the draft is going players were dropping and teams didn't want to lose a chance on other guys. Happens every draft.
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Post by statsman18 on Jun 4, 2014 12:49:33 GMT -4
Ryan has 63 career goals. 2 seasons in a row 20 goals or more. He goes in there the most career points and goals. You saying those numbers aren't worth 2 3rd rounds? I think so. Riddle me this. If Ryan was worth at least 2 3rd rounders, why didn't he get at least 2 3rd rounders? Ryan has never played against top defenders, and while a useful player he's certainly not a game-breaker; He's opportunistic, but he doesn't carry the play himself. Good Article. I don't really think the new guy is dropping the ball at all. Mooseheads website is actually worth visiting for the first time in forever. Sure, there may not be one long article recapping the draft like this, but it's a long summer, they're purposefully breaking up the information into several articles and releasing them at a staggered pace, which makes perfect sense in terms of generating traffic. The Mooseheads website has a much more in-depth article on Morgan Nass up at the moment, and a Video interview with Brett Crossley. I don't understand why the negativity about that is necessary, I think it's awesome! Again, the Q news is also good, and that's why you bookmark multiple sources of information, but if you prefer that it's fine, doesn't mean the Moosehead's site is bad. Did you watch last year at all? He played quite a bit with Drouin last year. Last time I checked he always got the top pairing against him. So that agreement is just weak. And like I said before I think Cam was trying to get more for him but when you wait till the draft it self players drop and teams rather grab players that drop into the lap then trade the pick for players. It happens all the time in any and every draft( besides mlb, they don't trade picks for players often).
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