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Ehlers
Jun 29, 2014 13:16:57 GMT -4
Post by Reesor on Jun 29, 2014 13:16:57 GMT -4
It's not impossible that Ehlers plays in Winnipeg when he's 19, assuming he puts on a few pounds. I think we'll draft a Euro next year, and then use what will likely be a very good Euro pick in two years when Meier is gone (Assuming Meier isn't here as a 20yo). The problem is that this year the Moose don't have a good pick. Sure they can take a flier but next year they will have a much better pick. So Ehlers returns this year. That means the flier you took won't be on the team. But you don't know if Ehlers returns until October. So the flier to play this year would normally be in camp. Good way to upset a kid and lose some valuable Euro connections. Sure you can draft for next year and not even bring the kid to camp this year. The problem here is that next year the pick will be even better. So you could get a better more sure thing next year. But to do that you have to drop the flier you took this year....which asks the question... Why bother? Yah it's the Euro connections angle I was concerned with. You don't want to piss anyone off by drafting them and then not using them, and not allowing them to be drafted by a team that would use them. And you're right in that we won't know until October next year if Ehlers will be on the team or not. Just sucks that we'll more than likely have to use two Euro picks in the same year when we can't trade for a better one.
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Ehlers
Jun 29, 2014 13:39:46 GMT -4
Post by MikeC on Jun 29, 2014 13:39:46 GMT -4
It's not impossible that Ehlers plays in Winnipeg when he's 19, assuming he puts on a few pounds. I think we'll draft a Euro next year, and then use what will likely be a very good Euro pick in two years when Meier is gone (Assuming Meier isn't here as a 20yo). The problem is that this year the Moose don't have a good pick. Sure they can take a flier but next year they will have a much better pick. So Ehlers returns this year. That means the flier you took won't be on the team. But you don't know if Ehlers returns until October. So the flier to play this year would normally be in camp. Good way to upset a kid and lose some valuable Euro connections. Sure you can draft for next year and not even bring the kid to camp this year. The problem here is that next year the pick will be even better. So you could get a better more sure thing next year. But to do that you have to drop the flier you took this year....which asks the question... Why bother? I know we could draft a 3rd Import this year, because Ehlers goes on the special list, but are you sure we can keep this 3rd Import if he doesn't report and Ehlers returns? Wouldn't the new Import only go on a special list once he hasn't reported for the entire season? Basically what I'm suggesting is that once/if Ehlers is returned to Halifax, we have to release one of the other 2 Imports, regardless if they have reported or not.
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Post by Smiley on Jun 29, 2014 21:18:46 GMT -4
The problem is that this year the Moose don't have a good pick. Sure they can take a flier but next year they will have a much better pick. So Ehlers returns this year. That means the flier you took won't be on the team. But you don't know if Ehlers returns until October. So the flier to play this year would normally be in camp. Good way to upset a kid and lose some valuable Euro connections. Sure you can draft for next year and not even bring the kid to camp this year. The problem here is that next year the pick will be even better. So you could get a better more sure thing next year. But to do that you have to drop the flier you took this year....which asks the question... Why bother? I know we could draft a 3rd Import this year, because Ehlers goes on the special list, but are you sure we can keep this 3rd Import if he doesn't report and Ehlers returns? Wouldn't the new Import only go on a special list once he hasn't reported for the entire season? Basically what I'm suggesting is that once/if Ehlers is returned to Halifax, we have to release one of the other 2 Imports, regardless if they have reported or not. Let me start with the part that you said "are you sure..." The one thing I am sure of, is I have no fucking clue on the rules of a euro, other than we can draft another this year. You raise a great point, can you hold their rights if Ehlers comes back. If you can't, and Considering you can't trade euros now, it would make drafting a euro useless. Draft him, in October cut him and send him home. That's a massive has hassle for the moose (release and logistics) and completely unfair to the player. "Let me move you to another culture and language incase my plan A makes the NHL."
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Ehlers
Jun 29, 2014 21:24:47 GMT -4
Post by oilers4ever on Jun 29, 2014 21:24:47 GMT -4
I know we could draft a 3rd Import this year, because Ehlers goes on the special list, but are you sure we can keep this 3rd Import if he doesn't report and Ehlers returns? Wouldn't the new Import only go on a special list once he hasn't reported for the entire season? Basically what I'm suggesting is that once/if Ehlers is returned to Halifax, we have to release one of the other 2 Imports, regardless if they have reported or not. Let me start with the part that you said "are you sure..." The one thing I am sure of, is I have no fucking clue on the rules of a euro, other than we can draft another this year. You raise a great point, can you hold their rights if Ehlers comes back. If you can't, and Considering you can't trade euros now, it would make drafting a euro useless. Draft him, in October cut him and send him home. That's a massive has hassle for the moose (release and logistics) and completely unfair to the player. "Let me move you to another culture and language incase my plan A makes the NHL." They can't trade Euro's at all or first year Euro's?
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Post by Smiley on Jun 29, 2014 22:40:57 GMT -4
Let me start with the part that you said "are you sure..." The one thing I am sure of, is I have no fucking clue on the rules of a euro, other than we can draft another this year. You raise a great point, can you hold their rights if Ehlers comes back. If you can't, and Considering you can't trade euros now, it would make drafting a euro useless. Draft him, in October cut him and send him home. That's a massive has hassle for the moose (release and logistics) and completely unfair to the player. "Let me move you to another culture and language incase my plan A makes the NHL." They can't trade Euro's at all or first year Euro's? I believe it's first year euros that are restricted. But again, I am foggy on the new euro rules.
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Ehlers
Jul 2, 2014 10:02:56 GMT -4
Post by Murph on Jul 2, 2014 10:02:56 GMT -4
Teams who are passing have been submitted and are on the board. Halifax hasn't passed. They could simply be late getting that info to the CHL, or perhaps they will select a player anyway if the right guy is available.
EDIT: Halifax's 2nd rounder is listed as a "pass", so they've obviously got their info to the CHL . I'd say Halifax would make a pick in round one under the right circumstances.
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Ehlers
Jul 2, 2014 10:52:46 GMT -4
Post by Citris on Jul 2, 2014 10:52:46 GMT -4
Yes Murph I just noticed that as well. Most teams have their passes already in, including Halifax, but they have not elected to pass on pick #50 (yet)
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Ehlers
Jul 2, 2014 11:27:15 GMT -4
Post by SteveUL on Jul 2, 2014 11:27:15 GMT -4
The problem is that this year the Moose don't have a good pick. Sure they can take a flier but next year they will have a much better pick. So Ehlers returns this year. That means the flier you took won't be on the team. But you don't know if Ehlers returns until October. So the flier to play this year would normally be in camp. Good way to upset a kid and lose some valuable Euro connections. Sure you can draft for next year and not even bring the kid to camp this year. The problem here is that next year the pick will be even better. So you could get a better more sure thing next year. But to do that you have to drop the flier you took this year....which asks the question... Why bother? I know we could draft a 3rd Import this year, because Ehlers goes on the special list, but are you sure we can keep this 3rd Import if he doesn't report and Ehlers returns? Wouldn't the new Import only go on a special list once he hasn't reported for the entire season? Basically what I'm suggesting is that once/if Ehlers is returned to Halifax, we have to release one of the other 2 Imports, regardless if they have reported or not. I believe this to be correct. A non-reporting Euro only goes on a special list after he not reported for the full season. So if you draft a 3rd guy as a backup plan, then you'd have to dump one of the 3, and it can't be the newly drafted guy. You'd have to dump the new guy, or trade one of the other two.
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Ehlers
Jul 2, 2014 11:31:54 GMT -4
Post by SteveUL on Jul 2, 2014 11:31:54 GMT -4
Teams who are passing have been submitted and are on the board. Halifax hasn't passed. They could simply be late getting that info to the CHL, or perhaps they will select a player anyway if the right guy is available. EDIT: Halifax's 2nd rounder is listed as a "pass", so they've obviously got their info to the CHL . I'd say Halifax would make a pick in round one under the right circumstances. It is obviously a backup plan. Cam didn't want to do this a few years when I think it was Abeltshauser's status that was uncertain. Perhaps he has changed his mind. Where they are picking late, they are likely not holding the kid off from other teams. I don't have a problem with drafting a kid as a backup plan. In the Midget draft there are lots of kids that get drafted by a team that they are unable to crack the roster on, but could play in the Q as a fringe player on a rebuilding team ... but get stuck wasting 2 years of good development until they can get waived.
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Ehlers
Jul 2, 2014 11:52:40 GMT -4
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Post by statsman18 on Jul 2, 2014 11:52:40 GMT -4
Teams who are passing have been submitted and are on the board. Halifax hasn't passed. They could simply be late getting that info to the CHL, or perhaps they will select a player anyway if the right guy is available. EDIT: Halifax's 2nd rounder is listed as a "pass", so they've obviously got their info to the CHL . I'd say Halifax would make a pick in round one under the right circumstances. It is obviously a backup plan. Cam didn't want to do this a few years when I think it was Abeltshauser's status that was uncertain. Perhaps he has changed his mind. Where they are picking late, they are likely not holding the kid off from other teams. I don't have a problem with drafting a kid as a backup plan. In the Midget draft there are lots of kids that get drafted by a team that they are unable to crack the roster on, but could play in the Q as a fringe player on a rebuilding team ... but get stuck wasting 2 years of good development until they can get waived. They couldn't do this with Abelshauser. The rule is you can make this insurance pick if your Euro goes in the first round of the NHL draft. Konrad was not a first rounder.
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Ehlers
Jul 2, 2014 11:56:56 GMT -4
Post by SteveUL on Jul 2, 2014 11:56:56 GMT -4
It is obviously a backup plan. Cam didn't want to do this a few years when I think it was Abeltshauser's status that was uncertain. Perhaps he has changed his mind. Where they are picking late, they are likely not holding the kid off from other teams. I don't have a problem with drafting a kid as a backup plan. In the Midget draft there are lots of kids that get drafted by a team that they are unable to crack the roster on, but could play in the Q as a fringe player on a rebuilding team ... but get stuck wasting 2 years of good development until they can get waived. They couldn't do this with Abelshauser. The rule is you can make this insurance pick if your Euro goes in the first round of the NHL draft. Konrad was not a first rounder. That rule didn't even exist back then. But prior to KA's 20 YO season they could draft another Euro just incase KA made the jump to the next level. 20 YOs always went on a special list allowing you to grab a backup guy. Most teams didn't bother doing that because not many kept a 20 YO Euro ... taking up two impact slots. It may have been another year ... maybe when Voracek was looking at moving up ... but he wouldn't have been on a special list then though. I'm pretty sure it was the KA situation and Cam publicly stated they wouldn't draft a spare guy.
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Ehlers
Jul 2, 2014 12:03:26 GMT -4
Post by SteveUL on Jul 2, 2014 12:03:26 GMT -4
The CHL Import draft sheet is now showing a Pass for Halifax in RD 1 ... looks like you aren't picking after all.
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Ehlers
Jul 2, 2014 12:35:43 GMT -4
Post by SteveUL on Jul 2, 2014 12:35:43 GMT -4
They can't trade Euro's at all or first year Euro's? I believe it's first year euros that are restricted. But again, I am foggy on the new euro rules. You can't trade a Euro for one year after he has been drafted. Now I don't think anybody is clear on the actual language of this rule. It could be that the player becomes eligible for trade AFTER the next draft, or 365 days after the previous draft, which could land on different days. I believe in the PEI/Gatineau trade that was scuttled that the two GMs thought they could be traded after the completion of a season ... back in May ... but that was apparently not the rule. Then it was apparently not doable to trade Karabacek the day before, or the day of, this draft ... which leads me to believe that it is 365 days, which I calculated would expire at midnite tonight ... just a little too late. So the rule is unclear because nobody has been able to produce the written rule here for us to dissect.
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Ehlers
Jul 2, 2014 13:23:29 GMT -4
Post by Murph on Jul 2, 2014 13:23:29 GMT -4
The CHL Import draft sheet is now showing a Pass for Halifax in RD 1 ... looks like you aren't picking after all. Anybody know who the players that were taken just prior to them passing? Could be an indicator as to who they were potentially targeting.
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Ehlers
Jul 2, 2014 14:42:53 GMT -4
Post by SteveUL on Jul 2, 2014 14:42:53 GMT -4
The CHL Import draft sheet is now showing a Pass for Halifax in RD 1 ... looks like you aren't picking after all. Anybody know who the players that were taken just prior to them passing? Could be an indicator as to who they were potentially targeting. They were about 20 spots away from Halifax's slot when I first noticed it ... no idea how long before that it was actually changed.
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