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Sept 30, 2014 12:32:26 GMT -4
Post by Reesor on Sept 30, 2014 12:32:26 GMT -4
Super hard to gauge the worth of a euro now. Picco + a 2015 first + a conditional 2016 first seems low for a player of Ehlers caliber, however Rimouski would probably have to cut Kostalik or send him back in the trade... which would leave us overloaded on D I think. They can't trade Nasybullin.... so they'd have to let him go. That might burn some bridges in the import market if that's considered poor use of an import player.
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Sept 30, 2014 15:51:42 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 30, 2014 15:51:42 GMT -4
Hypothetical for everyone: Moose are in 4th place in the Maritimes division (or lower) at Christmas. Rimouski comes knocking for Ehlers (I don't know what picks they have exactly, but this just as an example of value), and offers the Moose Andrew Picco + a 2015 1st, and a conditional 2016 1st if Ehlers is back in the Q at 19. Considering the value Ehlers has on the ice, and the value he could have with jersey sales + a little extra at the box office.... do we trade him? If not, what would we have to be offered to trade him? Why does it seem like Halifax becomes a small market team when it comes to selling? What jersey sales and ticket sales is 1 player going to have that's going to make one of the most profitable teams in the league not trade him? Not picking on you reesor, I just notice it seems to be a bit of a common theme among certain people when people are discussing trading stars away. Of course as an 18 you'd have to seriously overpay and get a little creative to get a player like Ehlers in a trade but trading him should be because A) You're not winning this year and B) You're only going to be worse next year. Personally I think the value on him at 18 is too much for any team to give up as trying to structure a trade around a returning star is difficult as the league continues to find new ways to shoot itself with rules on the Euro's and trading players as future/conditionals. The question becomes is it worth it to trade him now for 3-4 assets vs trading him ina year for 2-3 assets. Most teams find the answer to that to be no. But most teams are not Rimouski with a Mem Cup being held in Quebec City so anything is possible but the price would be quite impressive I would think.
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Ehlers
Sept 30, 2014 15:54:34 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 30, 2014 15:54:34 GMT -4
Super hard to gauge the worth of a euro now. Picco + a 2015 first + a conditional 2016 first seems low for a player of Ehlers caliber, however Rimouski would probably have to cut Kostalik or send him back in the trade... which would leave us overloaded on D I think. They can't trade Nasybullin.... so they'd have to let him go. That might burn some bridges in the import market if that's considered poor use of an import player. I think the new system is designed to burn those bridges so it's inevitable that it starts happening sooner or later. I'm sure they could find him a place in the league to play for the 2nd half. This should become the norm as good teams try to find star Euros for their big years and not stick with the 17yr old they picked at 39th last year when they can just draft another 17yr old the next season with their 45th overall pick. The inability to trade up kind of forces it.
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Ehlers
Sept 30, 2014 16:21:05 GMT -4
Post by Reesor on Sept 30, 2014 16:21:05 GMT -4
Hypothetical for everyone: Moose are in 4th place in the Maritimes division (or lower) at Christmas. Rimouski comes knocking for Ehlers (I don't know what picks they have exactly, but this just as an example of value), and offers the Moose Andrew Picco + a 2015 1st, and a conditional 2016 1st if Ehlers is back in the Q at 19. Considering the value Ehlers has on the ice, and the value he could have with jersey sales + a little extra at the box office.... do we trade him? If not, what would we have to be offered to trade him? Why does it seem like Halifax becomes a small market team when it comes to selling? What jersey sales and ticket sales is 1 player going to have that's going to make one of the most profitable teams in the league not trade him? Not picking on you reesor, I just notice it seems to be a bit of a common theme among certain people when people are discussing trading stars away. Of course as an 18 you'd have to seriously overpay and get a little creative to get a player like Ehlers in a trade but trading him should be because A) You're not winning this year and B) You're only going to be worse next year. Personally I think the value on him at 18 is too much for any team to give up as trying to structure a trade around a returning star is difficult as the league continues to find new ways to shoot itself with rules on the Euro's and trading players as future/conditionals. The question becomes is it worth it to trade him now for 3-4 assets vs trading him ina year for 2-3 assets. Most teams find the answer to that to be no. But most teams are not Rimouski with a Mem Cup being held in Quebec City so anything is possible but the price would be quite impressive I would think. Don't think Halifax should plan to trade him in a year. There's a good enough chance that he's in the NHL in 2015/16 not to risk it. I think it'd either be this year...taking advantage of the Q's Memorial Cup year... or not at all. The jersey sales/box office comment was just me weighing all the factors. I don't think it would prevent Ehlers from behing traded. But you just never know.
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Ehlers
Sept 30, 2014 16:38:02 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 30, 2014 16:38:02 GMT -4
Why does it seem like Halifax becomes a small market team when it comes to selling? What jersey sales and ticket sales is 1 player going to have that's going to make one of the most profitable teams in the league not trade him? Not picking on you reesor, I just notice it seems to be a bit of a common theme among certain people when people are discussing trading stars away. Of course as an 18 you'd have to seriously overpay and get a little creative to get a player like Ehlers in a trade but trading him should be because A) You're not winning this year and B) You're only going to be worse next year. Personally I think the value on him at 18 is too much for any team to give up as trying to structure a trade around a returning star is difficult as the league continues to find new ways to shoot itself with rules on the Euro's and trading players as future/conditionals. The question becomes is it worth it to trade him now for 3-4 assets vs trading him ina year for 2-3 assets. Most teams find the answer to that to be no. But most teams are not Rimouski with a Mem Cup being held in Quebec City so anything is possible but the price would be quite impressive I would think. Don't think Halifax should plan to trade him in a year. There's a good enough chance that he's in the NHL in 2015/16 not to risk it. I think it'd either be this year...taking advantage of the Q's Memorial Cup year... or not at all. The jersey sales/box office comment was just me weighing all the factors. I don't think it would prevent Ehlers from behing traded. But you just never know. Yeah too much can happen between now and then which results in you getting no value for the star and hoping your mid-round Euro pick in 2015 can play to the same level. Trading Ehlers now gives you a good start on rebuilding and the end result is that Euro pick being higher if he's not there for all but 2-3 months of the season. It's the route that makes the most sense assuming the value is there on the open market. Between he and Fucale alone you can get 4-5 assets which could be in the lineup come next September when neither of them likely will be.
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Ehlers
Sept 30, 2014 18:49:27 GMT -4
Post by nsvees on Sept 30, 2014 18:49:27 GMT -4
I think they need to trade him this season. I think teams know he won't be in the league as a 20 year old, and he's only 50/50 to be in the Q as a 19 year old. They need to maximize his value.
Not just with Ehlers, but they need to maximize their assets with the likes of Fucale, Gadoury, Hardie, etc., whose returns should bring you some significant assets for the rebuild. Not sure what Vuic would bring back much in a trade (mid round pick?). Lussier, once he shows he's healthy, maybe gives a team some depth as a 4-7th d'man, (no, the return would not be overwhelming; say another mid round pick, but since every team seems to want defencemen, maybe someone ups the offer a bit). They need to replenish the cupboard. They need to add young skill forwards, and some big physical defencemen (the current young crop have some size, but don't appear yet to be of the bruising types. Ford has some offensive potential, but it wouldn't hurt to add another one of that type). Resop has been up and down so far (understandable for a 16 year old rookie goalie); do they they add another young goalie at some point, even though they added Kevin Martin in the draft this past summer?
I don't know how the QMJHL Midget Draft projects to be in terms of talent, but the Mooseheads likely will be picking early, especially if they clear out some of the "vets".
The key word is "asset management". If Russell manages his assets correctly, and he has a pretty good track record of doing that, especially during the last rebuilding period, the Mooseheads won't be down at or near the bottom of the standings for long. With the success they have had in the last 3 years, you hope he doesn't get that temptation to try to "go for it" in a year where their chances of contending are slim to none.
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Ehlers
Sept 30, 2014 20:47:44 GMT -4
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Post by hfxfan09 on Sept 30, 2014 20:47:44 GMT -4
You can see Nik maybe his last game on Tsn 3 Or 5 against Ottawa. 1 0 Jets after one.
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Sept 30, 2014 21:10:36 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 21:10:36 GMT -4
Ehlers just scored in the 2nd period and was on the ice for the Jets first goal in the first period. 2-0 Jets in the 2nd period.
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Ehlers
Oct 1, 2014 12:22:14 GMT -4
Post by hfxfan09 on Oct 1, 2014 12:22:14 GMT -4
Come on Winnipeg were waiting in Halifax, he did look really good last night against Ottawa. I've heard Winnipeg wants their regular season roster finalized by Friday or Saturday. (I could see both Petan and Ehlers getting sent back to junior, although one day they'll be a deadly pairing for Winnipeg) on a side note I'm a Sens fan through and through, but because of Nik, Nate, and Jo I've also become a Jets, Avs, Lighting fan just when their not playing the Sens.
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Ehlers
Oct 1, 2014 12:28:40 GMT -4
Post by nolman29 on Oct 1, 2014 12:28:40 GMT -4
Mickael Lalancette just tweeted that Ehlers has been returned to Halifax.
Mikaël Lalancette @mlalancettetva 22s23 seconds ago
Nikolaj Ehlers et Anthony Duclair évitent le retranchement dans leur équipe respective.
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Ehlers
Oct 1, 2014 12:34:57 GMT -4
Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Oct 1, 2014 12:34:57 GMT -4
Mickael Lalancette just tweeted that Ehlers has been returned to Halifax. Mikaël Lalancette @mlalancettetva 22s23 seconds ago Nikolaj Ehlers et Anthony Duclair évitent le retranchement dans leur équipe respective. That tweet actually says the opposite. It says they avoided being cut.
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Ehlers
Oct 1, 2014 12:46:30 GMT -4
Post by Judas In My Mind on Oct 1, 2014 12:46:30 GMT -4
Mickael Lalancette just tweeted that Ehlers has been returned to Halifax. Mikaël Lalancette @mlalancettetva 22s23 seconds ago Nikolaj Ehlers et Anthony Duclair évitent le retranchement dans leur équipe respective. That tweet actually says the opposite. It says they avoided being cut. Corrected in the usage of French by a Welshman.....that just doesn't seem right at all.
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Ehlers
Oct 1, 2014 12:50:26 GMT -4
Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Oct 1, 2014 12:50:26 GMT -4
That tweet actually says the opposite. It says they avoided being cut. Corrected in the usage of French by a Welshman.....that just doesn't seem right at all. Don't knock it. France is only two countries along from me.
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Ehlers
Oct 3, 2014 10:49:57 GMT -4
Post by hfxfan09 on Oct 3, 2014 10:49:57 GMT -4
Jets want their roster finalized in the next 48 hours so Ehlers may be back by Sunday depending on when Winnipeg sends him back.
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Oct 3, 2014 11:51:27 GMT -4
Post by mooseinfo on Oct 3, 2014 11:51:27 GMT -4
Jets want their roster finalized in the next 48 hours so Ehlers may be back by Sunday depending on when Winnipeg sends him back. IF not WHEN=48hrs
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