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Post by nsvees on Nov 22, 2014 13:23:57 GMT -4
Good read, but it's really tough to gauge the direction the Moose will go based on an article like that. If Cam Russell said "We are selling big time", he may not get full value for his top players. He can't hint of desperation. I agree with you; he can't really say too much right now; if he did he destroys the trade value of the players he would consider moving. Best to play his cards close to the vest. I think we all know what he SHOULD do, but only time will time as to what he actually DOES. I think he'll sell, but maybe not to the degree some of us would like. Of course, the degree to which Russell sells will likely depend on the offers he gets. He shouldn't "give players away" just for the sake of moving them. He needs valuable/useful assets (for the long term and the rebuild) in return for the players he moves.
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Post by Hot Water on Nov 22, 2014 14:17:55 GMT -4
I think Cam is setting the stage and bracing the fan base for a sell off with that article.
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Post by nsvees on Nov 22, 2014 15:16:06 GMT -4
I hope so.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Nov 22, 2014 16:53:04 GMT -4
What's the chance we could get Fitzpatrick out of Sherbrooke as part of a Fucale deal?
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Post by howitzer on Nov 22, 2014 19:59:43 GMT -4
What's the chance we could get Fitzpatrick out of Sherbrooke as part of a Fucale deal? Probably about 0%...but ya never know lol. Sherbrooke will be looking for 2 year players. Most, if not all of their core will be back, so can't see them paying through the nose for a one and done. Just looking around at teams, possible contenders etc....I wonder, if Cam does sell big, if Saint John would make a go at Ehlers? They need an upgrade on Siska, and they need a big gun up front. They've got tons of picks (2 1sts this year and next) and have some players who are attractive (Julien Tessier, maybe Highmore). It would be odd to see an inter-divisional trade of that magnitude, but it really doesn't matter. This year and next, SJ and Halifax will be at polar ends of cycles, so who cares what Ehlers does against us (moreso if he were to come back next year).
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Post by mooseinfo on Nov 22, 2014 20:31:36 GMT -4
What's the chance we could get Fitzpatrick out of Sherbrooke as part of a Fucale deal? Probably about 0%...but ya never know lol. Sherbrooke will be looking for 2 year players. Most, if not all of their core will be back, so can't see them paying through the nose for a one and done. Just looking around at teams, possible contenders etc....I wonder, if Cam does sell big, if Saint John would make a go at Ehlers? They need an upgrade on Siska, and they need a big gun up front. They've got tons of picks (2 1sts this year and next) and have some players who are attractive (Julien Tessier, maybe Highmore). It would be odd to see an inter-divisional trade of that magnitude, but it really doesn't matter. This year and next, SJ and Halifax will be at polar ends of cycles, so who cares what Ehlers does against us (moreso if he were to come back next year). I think there is a better chance of Fucale to Sherbrooke than Ehlers to SJ. Will it happen probably not. What did Halifax do the year before to prepare for a big season. They got players to make a good run for experience. Is Fitz going to be their goalie for a run next year? Not likely but you never know. I am sure if Murphy was included in a Fucale trade a lot of teams on a 2 year run may bite.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Nov 23, 2014 22:09:09 GMT -4
Probably about 0%...but ya never know lol. Sherbrooke will be looking for 2 year players. Most, if not all of their core will be back, so can't see them paying through the nose for a one and done. Just looking around at teams, possible contenders etc....I wonder, if Cam does sell big, if Saint John would make a go at Ehlers? They need an upgrade on Siska, and they need a big gun up front. They've got tons of picks (2 1sts this year and next) and have some players who are attractive (Julien Tessier, maybe Highmore). It would be odd to see an inter-divisional trade of that magnitude, but it really doesn't matter. This year and next, SJ and Halifax will be at polar ends of cycles, so who cares what Ehlers does against us (moreso if he were to come back next year). I think there is a better chance of Fucale to Sherbrooke than Ehlers to SJ. Will it happen probably not. What did Halifax do the year before to prepare for a big season. They got players to make a good run for experience. Is Fitz going to be their goalie for a run next year? Not likely but you never know. I am sure if Murphy was included in a Fucale trade a lot of teams on a 2 year run may bite. Tha list of teams who may be able to make a deal with Cam for any of the available players is much smaller now than it was in October. The way the Maritime Division is shaping up the distance from SJ to where Halifax is in standings is very small now. So one hot streak/ remember Moncton had one last year of 10 games/ and u get first. But the teams that really want to get that home ice and are near to QC and a player or two away right now from being in that Memorial Cup are the ones that will go after these guys the hardest. Sherbrooke, Quebec, Rimouski, Baie Comeau.... Those are the teams. plus the Armada. It will be a battle between the 4 of them. If one makes a splash the pressure on the next to match and so on... Out of those Sherbrooke also have best opportunity to be in same spot next year. SJ and Char are set up nicely for 2015-16 unless they compromise that for a futile trip to round 3.
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Post by mooseinfo on Nov 23, 2014 23:43:08 GMT -4
I think there is a better chance of Fucale to Sherbrooke than Ehlers to SJ. Will it happen probably not. What did Halifax do the year before to prepare for a big season. They got players to make a good run for experience. Is Fitz going to be their goalie for a run next year? Not likely but you never know. I am sure if Murphy was included in a Fucale trade a lot of teams on a 2 year run may bite. Tha list of teams who may be able to make a deal with Cam for any of the available players is much smaller now than it was in October. The way the Maritime Division is shaping up the distance from SJ to where Halifax is in standings is very small now. So one hot streak/ remember Moncton had one last year of 10 games/ and u get first. But the teams that really want to get that home ice and are near to QC and a player or two away right now from being in that Memorial Cup are the ones that will go after these guys the hardest. Sherbrooke, Quebec, Rimouski, Baie Comeau.... Those are the teams. plus the Armada. It will be a battle between the 4 of them. If one makes a splash the pressure on the next to match and so on... Out of those Sherbrooke also have best opportunity to be in same spot next year. SJ and Char are set up nicely for 2015-16 unless they compromise that for a futile trip to round 3. For you maybe the list was longer in October but not for me. I never saw any of the Maritime teams as a good partner. Usually in Division is always harder and HFX is even less likely to have the type of players the other teams would pay for. What the Maritime division likely does is increase demand for players in general. So for instance if Moncton buys a player Rimouski wanted then they have to go elsewhere which could be HFX. So demand could be strong by Moncton, light by SJ,CHA,CB and even Titan, in some weird way, it could affect prices league wide to the price point Russell would be willing to deal. You have to remember that both teams have to have something the other wants(Halifax needs every position). Some might overpay anyway in the case of a Quebec or Rimouski but most like CHA,Sherbrooke and CB likely only go for certain players for both years or at reasonable price. In any case HFX has to be selling to take advantage. The next 9 games likely pushes HFX one way more than the other to some degree.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Nov 25, 2014 19:34:45 GMT -4
Somebody mentioned this before, but I wanted to revisit it. Wouldn't it be a win win situation for the Mooseheads to trade Ehler's at the Christmas trade period. The Moosehead's should receive quite a package for him. As well, the Moosehead's, depending on other deals, could be in position for the top pick in the draft. That would give them the top Import Draft pick. That opportunity plus the other picks and players they would get for other trades should speed up the rebuild quite a bit. I would be happy if all of these things fell into place. What do u folks think?
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Post by nsvees on Nov 25, 2014 19:40:37 GMT -4
There are too many teams that are worse than the Mooseheads from them to get to first overall pick. Even if Russell trades half the roster, at least one other team will still suck even more!
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Post by howitzer on Nov 25, 2014 19:59:02 GMT -4
Not liking the goalie market right now.
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Post by mooseinfo on Nov 25, 2014 20:30:34 GMT -4
There are too many teams that are worse than the Mooseheads from them to get to first overall pick. Even if Russell trades half the roster, at least one other team will still suck even more! Dont need first overall for Euro(top 6 would be fine) but I believe the Crosby rule is still in effect for the bottom 2.
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Post by Reesor on Nov 25, 2014 21:33:11 GMT -4
I might be stating the obvious, but if the Moose have good contacts, and they've established themselves as a premier hockey market (which they have IMO), then it really shouldn't matter where we pick in the Import Draft. I'd love to be like the Remparts and get a good player with every single `st round Import draft pick.
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Post by nsvees on Nov 25, 2014 22:14:30 GMT -4
There are too many teams that are worse than the Mooseheads from them to get to first overall pick. Even if Russell trades half the roster, at least one other team will still suck even more! Dont need first overall for Euro(top 6 would be fine) but I believe the Crosby rule is still in effect for the bottom 2. I was thinking the top pick in the QMJHL Midget Draft. I agree that a top 6 pick in the Euro Draft would be sufficient; they should get an elite player at that spot.
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Post by mooseinfo on Nov 25, 2014 22:21:30 GMT -4
Dont need first overall for Euro(top 6 would be fine) but I believe the Crosby rule is still in effect for the bottom 2. I was thinking the top pick in the QMJHL Midget Draft. I agree that a top 6 pick in the Euro Draft would be sufficient; they should get an elite player at that spot. You finish bottom 2 and there is a lottery so it is 50/50 for first overall. The only way that likely happens is, CB make some positive moves, Bathurst shuffle pays off enough, Chicoutimi buys and Halifax sells large. Other division teams likely sell too but I expect being the worst in The Maritime division gets you bottom 2. Often really bad teams sell and do better via the traded player bump up. They want to show what they got and sucking bad, before trading, leaves no where to go but up.
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