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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Apr 24, 2015 12:30:35 GMT -4
We need to keep this in perspective. Non corporate season ticket holders all attend. The excess capacity up to a sell out is walk up crowd. The first series ended Tuesday and the next series started Thursday - so it was not probably expected in most peoples minds that the next series would start that fast. I am impressed the Remparts made it to Moncton for that game on that short notice - and they do not have other things that come first in their lives like jobs, family commitments, kids activities, etc... Its only game 1. Tickets went on sale Wednesday - the Saturday game will be better represented. The Remparts were sitting in QC on Tuesday night ... waiting to find out if they were staying home or going on the road to start Rd 3. When Moncton won at 9:30 PM on Tuesday night ... a call went out to each player to say that the bus was leaving at 8:00 AM the next morning. They would have arrived Wednesday night probably by 6:00 PM or a little later. Or ... they had a flight chartered and arrived here by lunch time on Wednesday. Why are you "impressed the Remparts made it to Moncton for that game on that short notice" ? Teams do that all season. Maybe you thought they were travelling by wagon train ? My comment was made tongue in cheek. People expecting a sold out game one on that short notice was a stretch. It is a good hockey market. Just last week many fans drove 90 minutes to watch them play in another city... Anyway u are taking the discussion off track - non season ticket holders do not plan their lives around hockey its the other way around.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 12:32:27 GMT -4
They cancelled the event at the Colisée Pepsi so the arena is available all week. Rumble won't be happy! CONSPIRACY!!!!!!
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Post by tal on Apr 24, 2015 12:34:38 GMT -4
They cancelled the event at the Colisée Pepsi so the arena is available all week. Rumble won't be happy! In that case, games 3 and 4 should be moved to Tues & Wed. Can't do anything about last night, but at least the Cats should insist on the 2-day break Sun and Mon.
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Post by Don Draper on Apr 24, 2015 12:40:21 GMT -4
There's plenty of excuses out there, but no matter how you slice it, having 3,300 for a THIRD round playoff game is pretty pathetic. Just seems to me like the city really hasn't embraced this team at all. Which is incredibly strange considering they fought for first overall all year and had a very exciting team. Obviously there's some economic factors out there, but to see attendance go down this season is a bit alarming. Only started to get big crowds at the end of the season when a gazillion two for one coupons were floating around. And there lies part of the problem as well, I think... A walk-up ticket during these playoffs costs $20 for adults, $16 for students and $15 for kids 13 and under. If you're a family of four... let's say mom, dad and two kids under 13... you don't get in the door for under $70. Add concessions, 50/50 tickets, etc. and you're now over $100. Take another example... you're a group of college aged kids. $20 each to get in... plus over $5 each for a beer... plus concessions. You're probably inching close to the $50 mark per person in that scenario at a minimum. That's a pretty good chunk of change... especially if you're in your early 20's. Ticket prices since the first few years of this franchises' existence have more than doubled. During the Alpines' season and the first couple Wildcats' seasons, I paid $6 per ticket as a student. That price has nearly tripled. Also by comparison, it would cost about $4 more for me to go to this Saturday's game than it did for me to go to a Saint John Flames game during their last year in the AHL. Dropthepuck just said it himself this week... he couldn't justify paying the money to bring his family to Game 7 so he came by himself. I'm willing to bet he's not the only person in that situation... or in a situation where nobody in the family is coming out because it's not feasible to bring everybody to the game. I know that times change, inflation occurs, etc... and I also know the pricing for playoff tickets is higher than regular season (not by that much though)... but the pricing of tickets is totally out of whack in relation to the rate of inflation. In less than 15 years, it's gone from "bring a family of four to a Cats game for $40" (I believe they had some sort of family voucher available for this that included tickets and food) to "mom and dad can go to the game for $40... but it'll be extra for little Jimmy and Sally... and that's without food". And this isn't even getting into the competition for people's entertainment dollars, which gets more and more heated as time goes on. Everyone has to make money... and the majority of the population of Moncton hates paying for anything (if this new rink ever gets built and people have to pay for parking - which they will - the bitching will be never ending... maybe Daniel Bourgeois and Paul Pellerin can work the ticket booths). But with all that being said, the cost to even get through the doors at a Wildcats game has, in my opinion, gotten a bit unreasonable. I wonder if a better balance is out there, whereby cost of tickets goes down and attendance goes up high enough to justify it. If there isn't, we should get used to mediocre crowds... if we haven't gotten used to them already.
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Post by catnut on Apr 24, 2015 12:54:44 GMT -4
There's plenty of excuses out there, but no matter how you slice it, having 3,300 for a THIRD round playoff game is pretty pathetic. Just seems to me like the city really hasn't embraced this team at all. Which is incredibly strange considering they fought for first overall all year and had a very exciting team. Obviously there's some economic factors out there, but to see attendance go down this season is a bit alarming. Only started to get big crowds at the end of the season when a gazillion two for one coupons were floating around. And there lies part of the problem as well, I think... A walk-up ticket during these playoffs costs $20 for adults, $16 for students and $15 for kids 13 and under. If you're a family of four... let's say mom, dad and two kids under 13... you don't get in the door for under $70. Add concessions, 50/50 tickets, etc. and you're now over $100. Take another example... you're a group of college aged kids. $20 each to get in... plus over $5 each for a beer... plus concessions. You're probably inching close to the $50 mark per person in that scenario at a minimum. That's a pretty good chunk of change... especially if you're in your early 20's. Ticket prices since the first few years of this franchises' existence have more than doubled. During the Alpines' season and the first couple Wildcats' seasons, I paid $6 per ticket as a student. That price has nearly tripled. Also by comparison, it would cost about $4 more for me to go to this Saturday's game than it did for me to go to a Saint John Flames game during their last year in the AHL. Dropthepuck just said it himself this week... he couldn't justify paying the money to bring his family to Game 7 so he came by himself. I'm willing to bet he's not the only person in that situation... or in a situation where nobody in the family is coming out because it's not feasible to bring everybody to the game. I know that times change, inflation occurs, etc... and I also know the pricing for playoff tickets is higher than regular season (not by that much though)... but the pricing of tickets is totally out of whack in relation to the rate of inflation. In less than 15 years, it's gone from "bring a family of four to a Cats game for $40" (I believe they had some sort of family voucher available for this that included tickets and food) to "mom and dad can go to the game for $40... but it'll be extra for little Jimmy and Sally... and that's without food". And this isn't even getting into the competition for people's entertainment dollars, which gets more and more heated as time goes on. Everyone has to make money... and the majority of the population of Moncton hates paying for anything (if this new rink ever gets built and people have to pay for parking - which they will - the bitching will be never ending... maybe Daniel Bourgeois and Paul Pellerin can work the ticket booths). But with all that being said, the cost to even get through the doors at a Wildcats game has, in my opinion, gotten a bit unreasonable. I wonder if a better balance is out there, whereby cost of tickets goes down and attendance goes up high enough to justify it. If there isn't, we should get used to mediocre crowds... if we haven't gotten used to them already. In VD/RN and a other places in Quebec, I found the adult prices are about the same. The children tickets are usually much lower though, making a big difference for families.
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Post by Don Draper on Apr 24, 2015 12:56:15 GMT -4
And there lies part of the problem as well, I think... A walk-up ticket during these playoffs costs $20 for adults, $16 for students and $15 for kids 13 and under. If you're a family of four... let's say mom, dad and two kids under 13... you don't get in the door for under $70. Add concessions, 50/50 tickets, etc. and you're now over $100. Take another example... you're a group of college aged kids. $20 each to get in... plus over $5 each for a beer... plus concessions. You're probably inching close to the $50 mark per person in that scenario at a minimum. That's a pretty good chunk of change... especially if you're in your early 20's. Ticket prices since the first few years of this franchises' existence have more than doubled. During the Alpines' season and the first couple Wildcats' seasons, I paid $6 per ticket as a student. That price has nearly tripled. Also by comparison, it would cost about $4 more for me to go to this Saturday's game than it did for me to go to a Saint John Flames game during their last year in the AHL. Dropthepuck just said it himself this week... he couldn't justify paying the money to bring his family to Game 7 so he came by himself. I'm willing to bet he's not the only person in that situation... or in a situation where nobody in the family is coming out because it's not feasible to bring everybody to the game. I know that times change, inflation occurs, etc... and I also know the pricing for playoff tickets is higher than regular season (not by that much though)... but the pricing of tickets is totally out of whack in relation to the rate of inflation. In less than 15 years, it's gone from "bring a family of four to a Cats game for $40" (I believe they had some sort of family voucher available for this that included tickets and food) to "mom and dad can go to the game for $40... but it'll be extra for little Jimmy and Sally... and that's without food". And this isn't even getting into the competition for people's entertainment dollars, which gets more and more heated as time goes on. Everyone has to make money... and the majority of the population of Moncton hates paying for anything (if this new rink ever gets built and people have to pay for parking - which they will - the bitching will be never ending... maybe Daniel Bourgeois and Paul Pellerin can work the ticket booths). But with all that being said, the cost to even get through the doors at a Wildcats game has, in my opinion, gotten a bit unreasonable. I wonder if a better balance is out there, whereby cost of tickets goes down and attendance goes up high enough to justify it. If there isn't, we should get used to mediocre crowds... if we haven't gotten used to them already. In VD/RN and a other places in Quebec, I found the adult prices are about the same. The children tickets are usually much lower though, making a big difference for families. That'll change in Val d'Or next season after they pay that fine.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Apr 24, 2015 13:13:48 GMT -4
There's plenty of excuses out there, but no matter how you slice it, having 3,300 for a THIRD round playoff game is pretty pathetic. Just seems to me like the city really hasn't embraced this team at all. Which is incredibly strange considering they fought for first overall all year and had a very exciting team. Obviously there's some economic factors out there, but to see attendance go down this season is a bit alarming. Only started to get big crowds at the end of the season when a gazillion two for one coupons were floating around. And there lies part of the problem as well, I think... A walk-up ticket during these playoffs costs $20 for adults, $16 for students and $15 for kids 13 and under. If you're a family of four... let's say mom, dad and two kids under 13... you don't get in the door for under $70. Add concessions, 50/50 tickets, etc. and you're now over $100. Take another example... you're a group of college aged kids. $20 each to get in... plus over $5 each for a beer... plus concessions. You're probably inching close to the $50 mark per person in that scenario at a minimum. That's a pretty good chunk of change... especially if you're in your early 20's. Ticket prices since the first few years of this franchises' existence have more than doubled. During the Alpines' season and the first couple Wildcats' seasons, I paid $6 per ticket as a student. That price has nearly tripled. Also by comparison, it would cost about $4 more for me to go to this Saturday's game than it did for me to go to a Saint John Flames game during their last year in the AHL. Dropthepuck just said it himself this week... he couldn't justify paying the money to bring his family to Game 7 so he came by himself. I'm willing to bet he's not the only person in that situation... or in a situation where nobody in the family is coming out because it's not feasible to bring everybody to the game. I know that times change, inflation occurs, etc... and I also know the pricing for playoff tickets is higher than regular season (not by that much though)... but the pricing of tickets is totally out of whack in relation to the rate of inflation. In less than 15 years, it's gone from "bring a family of four to a Cats game for $40" (I believe they had some sort of family voucher available for this that included tickets and food) to "mom and dad can go to the game for $40... but it'll be extra for little Jimmy and Sally... and that's without food". And this isn't even getting into the competition for people's entertainment dollars, which gets more and more heated as time goes on. Everyone has to make money... and the majority of the population of Moncton hates paying for anything (if this new rink ever gets built and people have to pay for parking - which they will - the bitching will be never ending... maybe Daniel Bourgeois and Paul Pellerin can work the ticket booths). But with all that being said, the cost to even get through the doors at a Wildcats game has, in my opinion, gotten a bit unreasonable. I wonder if a better balance is out there, whereby cost of tickets goes down and attendance goes up high enough to justify it. If there isn't, we should get used to mediocre crowds... if we haven't gotten used to them already. I agree, I think the cost of the night out has a big part of the flatlining attendance in recent years in most markets. Of course, there is an argument for the product not being as exciting too or the novelty wearing off. But ultimately a couple season seats for a random game here and there seemed very reasonable in the past. This region in particular has had its economic growth issues. Even many with good jobs are always worrying - and the older crowd who 10-20 years ago would have been attending are likely focusing more on retirement savings at this point. For me, apart from just not having the time to have season seats these days and make them worthwhile, the cost is a big negative - especially when you can spend $8 and watch the game at home now with your cheap(er) chips and beer. Its never as good as live of course, but $8 to sit on your couch and watch the game versus $30-40 tickets (for 2 only), $20 food/drink (for two only), $7 parking + gas + getting home late on work nights etc. It forces me to pick and choose what games I go see live these days. I stopped buying beer a long time ago at the games ( ), once you got up to $6 for a draught on top of $9 hotdogs and fries etc. In Halifax lately, our success is draining on the wallet too. Exciting teams and players to watch, with deep playoff runs for 4 years. That is a lot of money spent on this product the last 4 years for the fans, when you consider all the games attended plus all the additional games on the internet purchased (for those home games you really want to see, and those road playoff games etc). guru is complaining on our boards about 7,800 person attendances on Tues/Wed nights for a 2nd round series? At this point, at the end of these 4 years, that is amazing imo. Part of the "positive" side of not advancing for us is that I won't have to spend money on tickets and webcasts lol. So yes, the current economic situation and the always skyrocketing ticket and food prices likely have a big impact on people deciding to take their family out to a Q game, even if it is playoffs - the product itself has seen the novelty wear off and the entertainment value decrease. Even those who don't have many financial worries, will likely still balk at the grand total for a night out to a 2.5 hour Q game with their family.
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Post by catnut on Apr 24, 2015 13:15:58 GMT -4
In VD/RN and a other places in Quebec, I found the adult prices are about the same. The children tickets are usually much lower though, making a big difference for families. That'll change in Val d'Or next season after they pay that fine. Afer attending a couple of games there, including one in the first round with RN, I was not surprised. There are some characters that go to those games. The atmosphere is totally different from what I have seen in Atlantic arenas. It reminded me more of when I used to go see Senior hockey games in Lamèque / Tracadie / Shippagan.
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Post by jimmy on Apr 24, 2015 13:39:48 GMT -4
There's plenty of excuses out there, but no matter how you slice it, having 3,300 for a THIRD round playoff game is pretty pathetic. Just seems to me like the city really hasn't embraced this team at all. Which is incredibly strange considering they fought for first overall all year and had a very exciting team. Obviously there's some economic factors out there, but to see attendance go down this season is a bit alarming. Only started to get big crowds at the end of the season when a gazillion two for one coupons were floating around. This team has never achieved the buzz like past Cats contenders to capture the attention of the casual fan ... You can almost think of them as accidental contenders ... In 2000, it was the first time the team made a run for the Cup ... in 2004, it represented the culmination of a lengthy building process of home grown players who the fanbase basically watched grow up over 3-4 years from cellar dwellars to contenders ... In 2006, it was the Mem Cup Fever; Nolan was brought in to coach, the media met Yandle at the airport, etc - then at Xmas they made a big splash and landed Team Canada hero Bourdon and top goalie Tjordman to strengthen the roster ... in 2010, Flynn pushed all his chips to the centre mid-season - Riopel came back, and he landed three star 19 year forwards at Xmas - one of the top scorers in the league in Deschamps, Team Canada hero Bourque, and hometown hero Tessier ... You couldn't help bu jump on the bandwagon. This season, there were question marks in September, and, while the team played well, they actually traded away two of their top players in Lalonde and Tkachev, adding some role players in return. No one around town truly believed the team could win (and most still don't, viewing this as the end of the road) - if someone asks a Cats fan this year what kind of team we have, the answer is most likely along the lines of "Not bad - we have a few awesome players, but lack depth ... our record benefits from being in a weak division". All that said, I agree with the points above re: economic reasons for underwhelming attendance as well.
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Post by catnut on Apr 24, 2015 13:55:19 GMT -4
Having games for free on Rogers TV probably doesn't help.
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Post by Don Draper on Apr 24, 2015 14:11:08 GMT -4
Having games for free on Rogers TV probably doesn't help. It doesn't... but the league and teams are compensated for that. Same for the webcasts. Obviously, it won't offset the actual bums in seats but it's not a total loss. Everything mentioned here are good points, IMO. Economy (both family situations and the rising cost of tickets), novelty wearing off, lack of attachment to this team... it all adds up. That being said, going from sellout in Game 7 to half capacity last night is quite steep.
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 24, 2015 14:31:57 GMT -4
There's plenty of excuses out there, but no matter how you slice it, having 3,300 for a THIRD round playoff game is pretty pathetic. Just seems to me like the city really hasn't embraced this team at all. Which is incredibly strange considering they fought for first overall all year and had a very exciting team. Obviously there's some economic factors out there, but to see attendance go down this season is a bit alarming. Only started to get big crowds at the end of the season when a gazillion two for one coupons were floating around. And there lies part of the problem as well, I think... A walk-up ticket during these playoffs costs $20 for adults, $16 for students and $15 for kids 13 and under. If you're a family of four... let's say mom, dad and two kids under 13... you don't get in the door for under $70. Add concessions, 50/50 tickets, etc. and you're now over $100. Take another example... you're a group of college aged kids. $20 each to get in... plus over $5 each for a beer... plus concessions. You're probably inching close to the $50 mark per person in that scenario at a minimum. That's a pretty good chunk of change... especially if you're in your early 20's. Ticket prices since the first few years of this franchises' existence have more than doubled. During the Alpines' season and the first couple Wildcats' seasons, I paid $6 per ticket as a student. That price has nearly tripled. Also by comparison, it would cost about $4 more for me to go to this Saturday's game than it did for me to go to a Saint John Flames game during their last year in the AHL. Dropthepuck just said it himself this week... he couldn't justify paying the money to bring his family to Game 7 so he came by himself. I'm willing to bet he's not the only person in that situation... or in a situation where nobody in the family is coming out because it's not feasible to bring everybody to the game. I know that times change, inflation occurs, etc... and I also know the pricing for playoff tickets is higher than regular season (not by that much though)... but the pricing of tickets is totally out of whack in relation to the rate of inflation. In less than 15 years, it's gone from "bring a family of four to a Cats game for $40" (I believe they had some sort of family voucher available for this that included tickets and food) to "mom and dad can go to the game for $40... but it'll be extra for little Jimmy and Sally... and that's without food". And this isn't even getting into the competition for people's entertainment dollars, which gets more and more heated as time goes on. Everyone has to make money... and the majority of the population of Moncton hates paying for anything (if this new rink ever gets built and people have to pay for parking - which they will - the bitching will be never ending... maybe Daniel Bourgeois and Paul Pellerin can work the ticket booths). But with all that being said, the cost to even get through the doors at a Wildcats game has, in my opinion, gotten a bit unreasonable. I wonder if a better balance is out there, whereby cost of tickets goes down and attendance goes up high enough to justify it. If there isn't, we should get used to mediocre crowds... if we haven't gotten used to them already. Are you kidding me ... what a load of BS. In this day and age ... nobody names a kid Sally.
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Post by Don Draper on Apr 24, 2015 14:44:42 GMT -4
And there lies part of the problem as well, I think... A walk-up ticket during these playoffs costs $20 for adults, $16 for students and $15 for kids 13 and under. If you're a family of four... let's say mom, dad and two kids under 13... you don't get in the door for under $70. Add concessions, 50/50 tickets, etc. and you're now over $100. Take another example... you're a group of college aged kids. $20 each to get in... plus over $5 each for a beer... plus concessions. You're probably inching close to the $50 mark per person in that scenario at a minimum. That's a pretty good chunk of change... especially if you're in your early 20's. Ticket prices since the first few years of this franchises' existence have more than doubled. During the Alpines' season and the first couple Wildcats' seasons, I paid $6 per ticket as a student. That price has nearly tripled. Also by comparison, it would cost about $4 more for me to go to this Saturday's game than it did for me to go to a Saint John Flames game during their last year in the AHL. Dropthepuck just said it himself this week... he couldn't justify paying the money to bring his family to Game 7 so he came by himself. I'm willing to bet he's not the only person in that situation... or in a situation where nobody in the family is coming out because it's not feasible to bring everybody to the game. I know that times change, inflation occurs, etc... and I also know the pricing for playoff tickets is higher than regular season (not by that much though)... but the pricing of tickets is totally out of whack in relation to the rate of inflation. In less than 15 years, it's gone from "bring a family of four to a Cats game for $40" (I believe they had some sort of family voucher available for this that included tickets and food) to "mom and dad can go to the game for $40... but it'll be extra for little Jimmy and Sally... and that's without food". And this isn't even getting into the competition for people's entertainment dollars, which gets more and more heated as time goes on. Everyone has to make money... and the majority of the population of Moncton hates paying for anything (if this new rink ever gets built and people have to pay for parking - which they will - the bitching will be never ending... maybe Daniel Bourgeois and Paul Pellerin can work the ticket booths). But with all that being said, the cost to even get through the doors at a Wildcats game has, in my opinion, gotten a bit unreasonable. I wonder if a better balance is out there, whereby cost of tickets goes down and attendance goes up high enough to justify it. If there isn't, we should get used to mediocre crowds... if we haven't gotten used to them already. Are you kidding me ... what a load of BS. In this day and age ... nobody names a kid Sally. Fine... little Shabadoo and little Ruttiger. Better?
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Post by SteveUL on Apr 24, 2015 14:46:02 GMT -4
Are you kidding me ... what a load of BS. In this day and age ... nobody names a kid Sally. Fine... little Shabadoo and little Ruttiger. Better? seems a bit racist ... but ok.
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Post by sc74 on Apr 24, 2015 15:23:31 GMT -4
Marc-Olivier Roy is injured. He fell awkwardly yesterday and it looked like he hurt his knee.
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