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Post by statsman18 on Mar 8, 2016 14:58:17 GMT -4
If the season ended tomorrow we're looking at picking 2 (at lest),7and 12 (maybe13 if CB takes Comp pick) in the first round. Then we'd have picks 20, 21(if the RN pick we get is Drum) and pick 24. If CB takes the Comp pick in the first round they all obviously go up by one. If that's the case they will still have potentially 6picks in the top 25 picks. This rebuild could be faster then people think.
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Post by Gman on Mar 8, 2016 15:02:53 GMT -4
If the season ended tomorrow we're looking at picking 2 (at lest),7and 12 (maybe13 if CB takes Comp pick) in the first round. Then we'd have picks 20, 21(if the RN pick we get is Drum) and pick 24. If CB takes the Comp pick in the first round they all obviously go up by one. If that's the case they will still have potentially 6picks in the top 25 picks. This rebuild could be faster then people think. Still gotta pick players who will A) report, and B) be impact. Luckily with so many picks, the odds of getting more impact players is greater, assuming the scouting is good. I have been less than impressed with the scouting staff over the years, so all we can do is hope.
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Post by Reesor on Mar 8, 2016 15:19:06 GMT -4
If the season ended tomorrow we're looking at picking 2 (at lest),7and 12 (maybe13 if CB takes Comp pick) in the first round. Then we'd have picks 20, 21(if the RN pick we get is Drum) and pick 24. If CB takes the Comp pick in the first round they all obviously go up by one. If that's the case they will still have potentially 6picks in the top 25 picks. This rebuild could be faster then people think. Gotta think we're gonna be packaging a couple of those picks to move higher. Imagine if we picked 6 16yo players with the first 25 picks, and had to get an exemption with the league to play all 6. Of course there's always the possibility one of two of those players simply aren't ready for the Q, and would play Midget next season. Also just for discussion sake, Shawinigan's 1st rounder would currently be 15th overall if CB takes the compensation pick, and 14th if they don't.... correct?
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Post by Jacques Strap on Mar 8, 2016 16:00:46 GMT -4
Yes Shawinigan has the 5th most points, so that looks like pick 14 or 15 if CB takes the 9th overall pick for compensation.
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Post by Gman on Mar 8, 2016 16:40:39 GMT -4
If the season ended tomorrow we're looking at picking 2 (at lest),7and 12 (maybe13 if CB takes Comp pick) in the first round. Then we'd have picks 20, 21(if the RN pick we get is Drum) and pick 24. If CB takes the Comp pick in the first round they all obviously go up by one. If that's the case they will still have potentially 6picks in the top 25 picks. This rebuild could be faster then people think. Gotta think we're gonna be packaging a couple of those picks to move higher. Imagine if we picked 6 16yo players with the first 25 picks, and had to get an exemption with the league to play all 6. Of course there's always the possibility one of two of those players simply aren't ready for the Q, and would play Midget next season. Also just for discussion sake, Shawinigan's 1st rounder would currently be 15th overall if CB takes the compensation pick, and 14th if they don't.... correct? And that's not even factoring in a solid pick in round 5 or 6 that is more Q ready than the 1-2 rounders.
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Post by nsvees on Mar 8, 2016 17:23:53 GMT -4
I heard the Eastlink QMJHL analyst say this is not a particularly deep draft (he`s a scout for BBA, so take that for what it`s worth). If it is shallow, do the Moose move some picks in this draft for next years draft to try to get a shot at kids like Parent, etc. when the pool might be a little deeper? My question mark works now; the error was something I did by accident.
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Post by statsman18 on Mar 9, 2016 11:28:13 GMT -4
If the season ended tomorrow we're looking at picking 2 (at lest),7and 12 (maybe13 if CB takes Comp pick) in the first round. Then we'd have picks 20, 21(if the RN pick we get is Drum) and pick 24. If CB takes the Comp pick in the first round they all obviously go up by one. If that's the case they will still have potentially 6picks in the top 25 picks. This rebuild could be faster then people think. Still gotta pick players who will A) report, and B) be impact. Luckily with so many picks, the odds of getting more impact players is greater, assuming the scouting is good. I have been less than impressed with the scouting staff over the years, so all we can do is hope. Ok so to your first point. That must mean your on team McIssac then because he will report to Halifax. What is unimpressive about Halifax's drafting the past few years? Let's go back and look at the past few years. Let's start with 2013. They had 2 2nd round picks and one is the teams leading scorer and wears an A. The other is the teams most reliable defencemen and wears the C. So we're not mistaken that's Fortier and Ford. If you ask me they were good picks. 2014 they only had 1 2nd round pick and yes that was Crossley. There I agree 100% he is a let down......so far. I don't feel it's fair to throw the book at him yet. Some players don't actually get it until their 18yo season. If this is the case for him then yeah wasted pick! 2015 they had their 1st 1st rounder in 3 years and took Durandeau with it. He's playing on our first line and actually contributes on a gamely basis. They then had 2 2nd rounders and pick Flower and Putintsev. Both at first looked like bad picks but have turned it around sense the break. I think both players are going to be fine in this league. So as far as it goes for the players that are picked in the 1 2 rounds the scouts aren't batting 1000 but with these players they're batting 833%. I think any team will take those numbers with the 1st 2 rounds.
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Post by statsman18 on Mar 9, 2016 13:11:15 GMT -4
If the season ended tomorrow we're looking at picking 2 (at lest),7and 12 (maybe13 if CB takes Comp pick) in the first round. Then we'd have picks 20, 21(if the RN pick we get is Drum) and pick 24. If CB takes the Comp pick in the first round they all obviously go up by one. If that's the case they will still have potentially 6picks in the top 25 picks. This rebuild could be faster then people think. Gotta think we're gonna be packaging a couple of those picks to move higher. Imagine if we picked 6 16yo players with the first 25 picks, and had to get an exemption with the league to play all 6. Of course there's always the possibility one of two of those players simply aren't ready for the Q, and would play Midget next season. Also just for discussion sake, Shawinigan's 1st rounder would currently be 15th overall if CB takes the compensation pick, and 14th if they don't.... correct? That is correct I don't know what I was i thinking when I counted it out yesterday. As for trading up I'm not to sure about the counting the chickens before they hatch. It's a ways away I know but looking at who has picks in the first not many look like they're teams looking to move picks.
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Post by Gman on Mar 9, 2016 13:26:12 GMT -4
Still gotta pick players who will A) report, and B) be impact. Luckily with so many picks, the odds of getting more impact players is greater, assuming the scouting is good. I have been less than impressed with the scouting staff over the years, so all we can do is hope. Ok so to your first point. That must mean your on team McIssac then because he will report to Halifax. What is unimpressive about Halifax's drafting the past few years? Let's go back and look at the past few years. Let's start with 2013. They had 2 2nd round picks and one is the teams leading scorer and wears an A. The other is the teams most reliable defencemen and wears the C. So we're not mistaken that's Fortier and Ford. If you ask me they were good picks. 2014 they only had 1 2nd round pick and yes that was Crossley. There I agree 100% he is a let down......so far. I don't feel it's fair to throw the book at him yet. Some players don't actually get it until their 18yo season. If this is the case for him then yeah wasted pick! 2015 they had their 1st 1st rounder in 3 years and took Durandeau with it. He's playing on our first line and actually contributes on a gamely basis. They then had 2 2nd rounders and pick Flower and Putintsev. Both at first looked like bad picks but have turned it around sense the break. I think both players are going to be fine in this league. So as far as it goes for the players that are picked in the 1 2 rounds the scouts aren't batting 1000 but with these players they're batting 833%. I think any team will take those numbers with the 1st 2 rounds. I have no reason to think Groulx would not report to Halifax. Do you? Not gonna go into depth on why I feel the scouting is weak. 1-2 players per year who will play for your team long term or have significant value is not enough, and that's all you've provided. Their American scouting is abysmal. Their FA scouting has been strong- very impressed with it. Their EU scouting has been great- nothing but quality players coming over from there. So not all is bad, just the midget draft.
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Post by hockeydad on Mar 9, 2016 13:41:38 GMT -4
The American scouting should change with Peters in charge as a coach for a team he gets to see first hand who is good out there and should know who would report if drafted.
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Post by statsman18 on Mar 9, 2016 14:17:04 GMT -4
Ok so to your first point. That must mean your on team McIssac then because he will report to Halifax. What is unimpressive about Halifax's drafting the past few years? Let's go back and look at the past few years. Let's start with 2013. They had 2 2nd round picks and one is the teams leading scorer and wears an A. The other is the teams most reliable defencemen and wears the C. So we're not mistaken that's Fortier and Ford. If you ask me they were good picks. 2014 they only had 1 2nd round pick and yes that was Crossley. There I agree 100% he is a let down......so far. I don't feel it's fair to throw the book at him yet. Some players don't actually get it until their 18yo season. If this is the case for him then yeah wasted pick! 2015 they had their 1st 1st rounder in 3 years and took Durandeau with it. He's playing on our first line and actually contributes on a gamely basis. They then had 2 2nd rounders and pick Flower and Putintsev. Both at first looked like bad picks but have turned it around sense the break. I think both players are going to be fine in this league. So as far as it goes for the players that are picked in the 1 2 rounds the scouts aren't batting 1000 but with these players they're batting 833%. I think any team will take those numbers with the 1st 2 rounds. I have no reason to think Groulx would not report to Halifax. Do you? Not gonna go into depth on why I feel the scouting is weak. 1-2 players per year who will play for your team long term or have significant value is not enough, and that's all you've provided. Their American scouting is abysmal. Their FA scouting has been strong- very impressed with it. Their EU scouting has been great- nothing but quality players coming over from there. So not all is bad, just the midget draft. He might play the Quebec school game and look for some cash to change his mind. Just saying I don't actually know anything on the matter. As for the players I named, the whole start of this was saying they have 6 picks in the top 25 this year. Which means those picks are in the first 2 rounds. Now with only 1 1st in those 3 years that hurts right from go. But in saying that the players I named, equate for close to a third of the starting line up. As for the American picking of players that is a matter of them wanting to come north to. In saying that we do have 3 Americans on the team right now. I guess you just want the best of the best? Once again maybe they don't want to come north.
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Post by statsman18 on Mar 9, 2016 14:50:24 GMT -4
The American scouting should change with Peters in charge as a coach for a team he gets to see first hand who is good out there and should know who would report if drafted. Peters also is a Promoter of the team too. He loves his two years here in Halifax. Trust me he had his doubts before coming here too. But he loved it so much he even came back and played for Dal one year. He would have played longer but he had a life changing occurrence which he decided to quit and stay home.
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Post by Gman on Mar 9, 2016 15:56:51 GMT -4
I have no reason to think Groulx would not report to Halifax. Do you? Not gonna go into depth on why I feel the scouting is weak. 1-2 players per year who will play for your team long term or have significant value is not enough, and that's all you've provided. Their American scouting is abysmal. Their FA scouting has been strong- very impressed with it. Their EU scouting has been great- nothing but quality players coming over from there. So not all is bad, just the midget draft. He might play the Quebec school game and look for some cash to change his mind. Just saying I don't actually know anything on the matter. As for the players I named, the whole start of this was saying they have 6 picks in the top 25 this year. Which means those picks are in the first 2 rounds. Now with only 1 1st in those 3 years that hurts right from go. But in saying that the players I named, equate for close to a third of the starting line up. As for the American picking of players that is a matter of them wanting to come north to. In saying that we do have 3 Americans on the team right now. I guess you just want the best of the best? Once again maybe they don't want to come north. Hilarious. I want players who would make the team if their birth certificate said Canada. Because Resop and Moynihan wouldn't have. The only good thing about Connor making the team is he brought Danny with him, who ended up being great. Look at some of the US born players other teams are bringing in. Halifax hasn't been strong here. The players they've convinced to come wouldn't have made the team if they weren't American. Simple as that.
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Post by Reesor on Mar 9, 2016 17:34:13 GMT -4
He might play the Quebec school game and look for some cash to change his mind. Just saying I don't actually know anything on the matter. As for the players I named, the whole start of this was saying they have 6 picks in the top 25 this year. Which means those picks are in the first 2 rounds. Now with only 1 1st in those 3 years that hurts right from go. But in saying that the players I named, equate for close to a third of the starting line up. As for the American picking of players that is a matter of them wanting to come north to. In saying that we do have 3 Americans on the team right now. I guess you just want the best of the best? Once again maybe they don't want to come north. Hilarious. I want players who would make the team if their birth certificate said Canada. Because Resop and Moynihan wouldn't have. The only good thing about Connor making the team is he brought Danny with him, who ended up being great. Look at some of the US born players other teams are bringing in. Halifax hasn't been strong here. The players they've convinced to come wouldn't have made the team if they weren't American. Simple as that. With the new restrictions, fewer and fewer good American players are going to report anywhere. Long story short: In the 4 drafts since every team had to draft 2 Americans, 14 out of 161 have played at least one Q game, and Halifax has drafted 4 of them (Connor Moynihan, Resop, Putintsev, and Jones) Those players not being "Impact" has nothing to do with how Halifax is drafting. It does have to do with the caliber of team Halifax is putting on the ice, and that those players are only reporting because they're "good enough" to make the team. Other teams have been as bad or worse than Halifax over the past few seasons, and haven't had anyone report. Just for fun, here's the 2013 Q draft filtered by Americans. 7 of those 14 Americans that reported in the last 4 years were from this draft. Connor Moynihan isn't exactly lighting it up, but it's not like the majority of teams out there are finding star Americans and drafting them late. Moncton's doing a decent job. www.eliteprospects.com/draft_other2.php?year=2013&type=QMJHL%20Entry%20Draft&sort=nation&nation=6&dteam=&Leaguename=QMJHLThe Moose will have to draft two Americans again this year. Unless they pull off a miracle and land a Wahlstrom, I doubt you'll see any of them make the team this year. Way too many bodies.
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Post by statsman18 on Mar 9, 2016 18:19:29 GMT -4
Hilarious. I want players who would make the team if their birth certificate said Canada. Because Resop and Moynihan wouldn't have. The only good thing about Connor making the team is he brought Danny with him, who ended up being great. Look at some of the US born players other teams are bringing in. Halifax hasn't been strong here. The players they've convinced to come wouldn't have made the team if they weren't American. Simple as that. With the new restrictions, fewer and fewer good American players are going to report anywhere. Long story short: In the 4 drafts since every team had to draft 2 Americans, 14 out of 161 have played at least one Q game, and Halifax has drafted 4 of them (Connor Moynihan, Resop, Putintsev, and Jones) Those players not being "Impact" has nothing to do with how Halifax is drafting. It does have to do with the caliber of team Halifax is putting on the ice, and that those players are only reporting because they're "good enough" to make the team. Other teams have been as bad or worse than Halifax over the past few seasons, and haven't had anyone report. Just for fun, here's the 2013 Q draft filtered by Americans. 7 of those 14 Americans that reported in the last 4 years were from this draft. Connor Moynihan isn't exactly lighting it up, but it's not like the majority of teams out there are finding star Americans and drafting them late. Moncton's doing a decent job. www.eliteprospects.com/draft_other2.php?year=2013&type=QMJHL%20Entry%20Draft&sort=nation&nation=6&dteam=&Leaguename=QMJHLThe Moose will have to draft two Americans again this year. Unless they pull off a miracle and land a Wahlstrom, I doubt you'll see any of them make the team this year. Way too many bodies. By these numbers the moose haven't done that badly getting Americans to come north. So once again this is a case of people expecting the moon and they only getting a rock. I'm happy with what they've got. Would I liked to have seen Eichel..... Hell yeah but it is what it is.
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