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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 8, 2017 10:13:07 GMT -4
Lol. Gotcha. When they met with Barron and his family, Baie-Comeau were told he wouldn't report there because there's no english school. When Ahern pointed out there was indeed an english school, Barron Sr seemed surprised. That is exactly my point that agents are misnforming parents because BC is not in their agenda.... Halifax is better for an alumni who wants to stay close to family....alleluja! Halifax is better for any English speaking kid who wants to get an education in English and follow it up with his choice of excellent local universities. Using your argument Sydney is no different then Quebec City when it comes to getting a high school education in French. Good luck finding support for that claim.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 8, 2017 10:16:19 GMT -4
I have never seen a so much entrenched poster on these boards. We all have: You. You have more posts then I do. Captin Obvious is the most entreched in terms of post count. I'm the 7th most entrenched poster if you want to be technical about it.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 8, 2017 10:49:48 GMT -4
If he made a point maybe. He wants to disagree without providing any details or facts. If he'd stop worrying about who he is responding too and respond to the content he'd have a much easier time. Yeah, his post smelled of pom poms.
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Post by sc74 on Jun 8, 2017 11:19:06 GMT -4
We are talking High School here... Stop your BS about High Schools being at the University level for sake...... I have never seen a so much entrenched poster on these boards. Open your horizons a bit please. Your habit of downgrading what is not in your standards does not make any of these destinations a substandard one except in your mind. We are all entitled to our opinions but please respect others'... ~gets his popcorn~
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Post by SteveUL on Jun 8, 2017 13:30:10 GMT -4
But it IS a reason. It's not stupid. Stupid is arguing that the small English school in a remote Quebec town is on par with what Halifax, or even Moncton, Sydney, Charlottetown, Saint John, Montreal, and Quebec City can offer school wise for an English speaking kid entering his final years of high school. We are talking High School here... Stop your BS about High Schools being at the University level for sake...... I have never seen a so much entrenched poster on these boards. Open your horizons a bit please. Your habit of downgrading what is not in your standards does not make any of these destinations a substandard one except in your mind. We are all entitled to our opinions but please respect others'... Ok wait ... are you suggesting that you and others on this board are entitled to their opinions ... but the players and their parents are not entitled to hold an opinion on sending their kid to school in a City in Quebec? Whether that opinion is accurate or not. If I don't want to go live in Quebec ... aren't I allowed to decide that for myself ? If my employer decides that he wants to send me to Happy Valley-Goose Bay, Labrador for 5 years to develop the business ... do I not have the right to say No Thanks ?
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Post by Theplug on Jun 8, 2017 14:07:09 GMT -4
That is exactly my point that agents are misnforming parents because BC is not in their agenda.... Halifax is better for an alumni who wants to stay close to family....alleluja! Halifax is better for any English speaking kid who wants to get an education in English and follow it up with his choice of excellent local universities. Using your argument Sydney is no different then Quebec City when it comes to getting a high school education in French. Good luck finding support for that claim. If I'm not mistaken I believe the French guys take a Cgep program. As in the school work assigned to them is assigned to them to meet the standards of the Quebec school board. Locally they do attend the French school in Sydney but they use it more as a facility to sit and do there work then to be there following a French curriculum. I imagine there would or could be something similar available to English kids attending school in French communities.
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Post by scotiahockey on Jun 8, 2017 15:20:32 GMT -4
There's always ways around the school issue but it's a lot more work and quite frankly the online classes are terrible to do. It's a lot more self discipline and can be harder to manage than going to a school where it's already offered. Not to mention these kids can be very bright and maybe the classes they want to take aren't offered/can not be facilitated at the schools they would be going to. In a smaller city where there isn't going to be as many options, whereas in a city like Halifax there are over 15 schools that I can think of, that would be reasonable for these players to attend thus increasing their options of courses.
I'll never knock a kid for looking at all their schooling options before making a choice and I wouldn't knock an English/French kid for not wanting to go somewhere that they aren't comfortable with the language. I know that at 16/17 I wouldn't have been comfortable going outside my comfort zone on the language and to some degree still wouldn't be.
While we're all aware of the opportunities and development that this league presents, it's easy to forget that for the majority of these kids, hockey that will pay them and set them up for the rest of their lives isn't an option. Even the kids that are highly touted right now, won't have it work out for them. A lot won't even go on to play CIS, schooling and education is what will be providing these kids with their means for the 50 years following their QMJHL careers.
While the reasoning may not always seem valid, in my opinion it is for these kids. There's life after the Q and odds are it's not going to be in professional hockey.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 8, 2017 15:22:16 GMT -4
Halifax is better for any English speaking kid who wants to get an education in English and follow it up with his choice of excellent local universities. Using your argument Sydney is no different then Quebec City when it comes to getting a high school education in French. Good luck finding support for that claim. If I'm not mistaken I believe the French guys take a Cgep program. As in the school work assigned to them is assigned to them to meet the standards of the Quebec school board. Locally they do attend the French school in Sydney but they use it more as a facility to sit and do there work then to be there following a French curriculum. I imagine there would or could be something similar available to English kids attending school in French communities. Absolutely. Now put yourself in the shoes of a parent of a 15yr old student. Lets say he's a solid B level student and a very good hockey player. People say he may even be pro caliber with the right development and, as always, a little bit of luck. Would your kids school needs be met better in a place like Halifax with numerous school options and all in his native language with similar a curriculum and the option of 3 or 4 excellent University options in 2-3 years or in Baie-Comeau with 1 small English language high school, the likelyhood of needing correspondence to get into specific University programs, and the likely possibility of needing to do University the same way? We all know the answer. We all also would weigh the options as the smart parent with our only agenda to our kids development and future vs the hockey fan with an agenda to a small market team. Only 1 person is doubting any of this, and he has yet to provide 1 tangible example as to why or how anyone should listen to him.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 8, 2017 15:28:06 GMT -4
There's always ways around the school issue but it's a lot more work and quite frankly the online classes are terrible to do. It's a lot more self discipline and can be harder to manage than going to a school where it's already offered. Not to mention these kids can be very bright and maybe the classes they want to take aren't offered/can not be facilitated at the schools they would be going to. In a smaller city where there isn't going to be as many options, whereas in a city like Halifax there are over 15 schools that I can think of, that would be reasonable for these players to attend thus increasing their options of courses. I'll never knock a kid for looking at all their schooling options before making a choice and I wouldn't knock an English/French kid for not wanting to go somewhere that they aren't comfortable with the language. I know that at 16/17 I wouldn't have been comfortable going outside my comfort zone on the language and to some degree still wouldn't be. While we're all aware of the opportunities and development that this league presents, it's easy to forget that for the majority of these kids, hockey that will pay them and set them up for the rest of their lives isn't an option. Even the kids that are highly touted right now, won't have it work out for them. A lot won't even go on to play CIS, schooling and education is what will be providing these kids with their means for the 50 years following their QMJHL careers. While the reasoning may not always seem valid, in my opinion it is for these kids. There's life after the Q and odds are it's not going to be in professional hockey. And to be fair history tells me that kids who are high achievers in things like hockey also are excellent students with very good habits so who would want to disrupt whats working? Especially at that stage in life. And on the flip side, if a kid wants to go live in a Quebec town for the experience, nobody is stopping them. Many kids from CB have gone to places like Rouyn and loved it. Doesn't mean it's for everyone though.
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Post by scotiahockey on Jun 8, 2017 15:34:33 GMT -4
There's always ways around the school issue but it's a lot more work and quite frankly the online classes are terrible to do. It's a lot more self discipline and can be harder to manage than going to a school where it's already offered. Not to mention these kids can be very bright and maybe the classes they want to take aren't offered/can not be facilitated at the schools they would be going to. In a smaller city where there isn't going to be as many options, whereas in a city like Halifax there are over 15 schools that I can think of, that would be reasonable for these players to attend thus increasing their options of courses. I'll never knock a kid for looking at all their schooling options before making a choice and I wouldn't knock an English/French kid for not wanting to go somewhere that they aren't comfortable with the language. I know that at 16/17 I wouldn't have been comfortable going outside my comfort zone on the language and to some degree still wouldn't be. While we're all aware of the opportunities and development that this league presents, it's easy to forget that for the majority of these kids, hockey that will pay them and set them up for the rest of their lives isn't an option. Even the kids that are highly touted right now, won't have it work out for them. A lot won't even go on to play CIS, schooling and education is what will be providing these kids with their means for the 50 years following their QMJHL careers. While the reasoning may not always seem valid, in my opinion it is for these kids. There's life after the Q and odds are it's not going to be in professional hockey. And to be fair history tells me that kids who are high achievers in things like hockey also are excellent students with very good habits so who would want to disrupt whats working? Especially at that stage in life. And on the flip side, if a kid wants to go live in a Quebec town for the experience, nobody is stopping them. Many kids from CB have gone to places like Rouyn and loved it. Doesn't mean it's for everyone though. Exactly, every players situation is different. For some players I don't think it matters where they end up, the end result will be the same for them but those are the elite of the elite. For the kid who isn't going to go to the NHL and really is banking on school, why change a good thing. Does it really matter if Justin Barron ends up in Halifax or Baie-Comeau? Maybe, maybe not but what I do know is that his brother went the NCAA route and he very well could have as well. If the options are NCAA or Baie-Comeau and you're an English speaking kid with obviously high grades, why wouldn't you want to end up somewhere you feel you can do both hockey and school. This isn't a MacKinnon situation where everyone knew he was going to be an NHL player and forced his way out of Baie-Comeau and to the Mooseheads.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 8, 2017 15:49:39 GMT -4
And to be fair history tells me that kids who are high achievers in things like hockey also are excellent students with very good habits so who would want to disrupt whats working? Especially at that stage in life. And on the flip side, if a kid wants to go live in a Quebec town for the experience, nobody is stopping them. Many kids from CB have gone to places like Rouyn and loved it. Doesn't mean it's for everyone though. Exactly, every players situation is different. For some players I don't think it matters where they end up, the end result will be the same for them but those are the elite of the elite. For the kid who isn't going to go to the NHL and really is banking on school, why change a good thing. Does it really matter if Justin Barron ends up in Halifax or Baie-Comeau? Maybe, maybe not but what I do know is that his brother went the NCAA route and he very well could have as well. If the options are NCAA or Baie-Comeau and you're an English speaking kid with obviously high grades, why wouldn't you want to end up somewhere you feel you can do both hockey and school. This isn't a MacKinnon situation where everyone knew he was going to be an NHL player and forced his way out of Baie-Comeau and to the Mooseheads. And when the day comes when a Bathurst or some other team says you know what we just can't compete no matter the work we do and all these 2nd-4th round ranked kids won't even take our calls then maybe I can see examining the system. Or at least questioning why everyone doesn't want to go somewhere. But what I see are kids like Dubois willing to play anywhere. Daniel Sprong's lasting in a draft long enough for anyone to step up and take him. Players like Morand willing to play in a Bathurst and become a great player from a high draft slot. Contending teams in Rouyn through solid drafting and an excellent system thats developing the kids they were bringing in. Rebuilds in Moncton and Halifax proving that even the strongest are victim to the cycle. No Presidents Cup wins for the biggest spender of all in Quebec. Are things REALLY that bad or is a vocal minority that clearly doesn't understand the full picture, as painfully obvious by their constant short sighted comments and their complete lack of ability to have an open discussion on the topic, trying to play the victim role in the hopes of creating some perfect system that exists in their minds but is impossible to obtain and keep the product value the same?
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Post by interested on Jun 8, 2017 17:33:16 GMT -4
Many English kids and their families would prefer not to go to Quebec teams (excepting a couple of teams) and many French ones to Maritime teams. The kids and their parents want hockey, life and sometimes school in a community that feels like home in some way. (They don't all care about school.)
Some organizations just take such good care of players, they overcome these concerns entirely. Saint John, Moncton, Halifax, Quebec come to mind. Probably a couple more. Decent-sized language minority schools and communities, extra care with billets, education, etc.
In the end, only a handful or three of kids dig in on this point. The options for most are (1) report to the team that drafted you or (2) take a pass on major junior. So they report.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 8, 2017 17:48:57 GMT -4
I think part of the school thing is real, but in some cases parents use it as an excuse to try and get their kid playing for a certain team.
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