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Post by Joe Rogan on Jul 3, 2017 22:32:13 GMT -4
Found this on twitter
Interesting.
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Post by guru on Jul 3, 2017 23:27:47 GMT -4
I would give it a shot.
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Post by devinm on Jul 4, 2017 11:41:23 GMT -4
I assume that is the national lacrosse league? I can't imagine it coming to Halifax, while lacrosse has grown a lot since I played, coached and ref'd in the city. I'd love to watch it tho, I should try and play again. There was no better cultural experience then going to nationals for Lacrosse in Canada it was amazing to me how little we knew about say people out west, and vice versa. Also insane intense playing a Indigenous team from BC who had about 15 people in the stands playing their drums the entire game. Was amazing.
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Post by Reesor on Jul 5, 2017 18:52:54 GMT -4
I had a fantastic time at the 2007 world indoor lacrosse championships, and I think I would be much more likely to attend professional lacross games than I would professional basketball games, especially since the NLL is the best indoor lacrosse league in North America. If we dive deeper, we can see if this would be feasible in Halifax. First, the schedule runs from Boxing day until the end of April, with the playoffs running until June 10 (ish). It would compete with the Mooseheads directly, however there are currently only 9 home games per season, so most home games could still be on weekends and not interfere with the Mooseheads' schedule. Mooseheads playoff games would be interesting, as I'd imagine there would be conflict in the end of March and into April. More Moose playoff games at the Forum I'd imagine. 2nd would be the cost of tickets. The Saskatchewan Rush play out of Saskatoon, and they are by far the smallest city in the league. Halifax would be 2nd smallest if they joined. The Rush play in a 16,000 seat arena and their cheapest adult season ticket is $229 + fees for the upper bowl ends in the highest rows. That's $25 / game for a season ticket. Lower bowl sides are $450, or $50 / ticket. There are also ticket prices in between. www.saskrush.com/seasontickets2018 . So add about 30% to that and you probably have a walk-up ticket price. The rush averaged 14,921 fans / game last season, but they had a very strong team. An expansion team in Halifax probably wouldn't start out very strong. The Rush had the 2nd highest attendance last season being in the smallest city. Vancouver had the worst attendance, but they play at an arena with less than 6000 seats. stats.pointstreak.com/prostatstext/NLL/leaguereport_15914.txtWould fans shell out that money for a seasons ticket? Would there be many season ticket holders that aren't Mooseheads fans? Would it take away from the Mooseheads at all? It'd be interesting to see where this goes. I can't see myself going to more than one or two games a year, especially if tickets are going to be around $40 each on average.
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Post by downthemiddle on Jul 5, 2017 23:37:18 GMT -4
Halifax would probably do well just like Saskatoon because it's a smaller city entering a big time league. The sport isn't as popular as basketball but the league is a much bigger deal.
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Post by Joe Burrow on Jul 25, 2017 9:09:19 GMT -4
anyone heard any more on this? i've heard rumours that halifax, san diego, dallas and philly are getting franchises in 2019.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 25, 2017 10:22:37 GMT -4
anyone heard any more on this? i've heard rumours that halifax, san diego, dallas and philly are getting franchises in 2019. I followed this stuff a little bit very early when the Toronto Rock were getting their team off the ground but I find it's been non-existent since in terms of media coverage online or on TV. Expanding to places like Philly, Dallas, San Diego, and Halifax seems like a very strange group of cities considering the size of the American cities and our, while somewhat recovering the last few weeks, still weak dollar. I just don't see how a place like Halifax, without a huge lacrosse movement to my knowledge, ends up being able to support a major team when competing against the biggest cities in NA. I'd definitely try to take in a game to see what the atmosphere was like but it's tough to see it surviving long term. At least in the basketball league Halifax is a big fish with places like Sydney and Charlottetown and others having a team close by.
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Post by Smiley on Jul 25, 2017 12:51:28 GMT -4
anyone heard any more on this? i've heard rumours that halifax, san diego, dallas and philly are getting franchises in 2019. I followed this stuff a little bit very early when the Toronto Rock were getting their team off the ground but I find it's been non-existent since in terms of media coverage online or on TV. Expanding to places like Philly, Dallas, San Diego, and Halifax seems like a very strange group of cities considering the size of the American cities and our, while somewhat recovering the last few weeks, still weak dollar. I just don't see how a place like Halifax, without a huge lacrosse movement to my knowledge, ends up being able to support a major team when competing against the biggest cities in NA. I'd definitely try to take in a game to see what the atmosphere was like but it's tough to see it surviving long term. At least in the basketball league Halifax is a big fish with places like Sydney and Charlottetown and others having a team close by. Halifax wouldn't be competing against large cities like Dallas. While DFW is one of the top markets in the US (4th), I would assume the Lacrosse team would be based out of Frisco - and play at The Star (The Cowboys practice facility - 12,000 seat stadium) or the Dr Pepper rink (Stars practice facility - 4000 to 5000 capacity) Frisco has a population of 168,000 and growing and would draw also from neighboring communities (Plano - 286,000, McKinney 177,000). Frisco wouldn't draw from all over DFW, like the Stars, Rangers, Mavs and obviously Cowboys do). Fox Sports South may televise games, but I highly doubt it. So Halifax could compete based on numbers, but where a Dallas team would excel is corporate sponsorship.
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Post by devinm on Jul 25, 2017 14:24:54 GMT -4
Halifax has a surprising large lacrosse player base. When I started playing when I was in Jr High/high school 20 some years ago there was 4 Jr aged teams which at the time was 16-21. I was on the bubble age wise so I played. Last I seen there was a few Halifax teams in several different divisions, Dartmouth has several different age divisions as well. Sackville was the hub when I played and had the strongest program numbers wise. I think it has expanded past that. I was lucky enough to of had likely the 2 best players in NS lacrosse history as coaches. 1 Who turned pro and another who was on the Canada Games silver medal team and named top offensive player. Both of whom were teachers in HRM and directed a lot of people to lacrosse, it is an obvious summer sport for Hockey players since you can convert some hockey gear into Box Lacrosse gear easily enough. The real question is tho, who is the owner and how many fans do you need to succeed? If you need 10-12k I don't see it happening, if you need 4-5k mm maybe it has to be done right tho. Silver Medal team.Also should state our Jr B teams now are on Par with the rest of the country team wise, when I played and went to nationals we were a NS/NB all star team and lost a game 35-1.
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Post by Reesor on Jun 25, 2018 14:12:44 GMT -4
An interesting article on sports saturation in Halifax tying together the CFL, the already existing sports teams (Mooseheads, Hurricanes), as well as a rumored NLL team coming here. www.thestar.com/halifax/2018/06/21/halifax-could-be-headed-for-sports-saturation-professor-says.htmlI am a bit concerned for the Mooseheads if Halifax gets both a CFL team and an NLL team. The CFL doesn't directly compete with the Moose, but an NLL team would. The reason junior hockey does so well here is because it doesn't have any real competition for entertainment dollars. Adding in a couple professional leagues I believe would hurt the Moose. Not enough to kill them by any stretch. But enough that the Moose would struggle to break even in down years, especially if the NLL team was any good at the same time. I imagine there's only so much money to go around. Junior hockey teams like Vancouver, Ottawa, and Hamilton all have more people to draw from, but all average less fans than Halifax. I think that is because Junior hockey isn't the biggest draw in those cities.
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Post by guru on Jun 25, 2018 23:48:17 GMT -4
I am a bit concerned for the Mooseheads if Halifax gets both a CFL team and an NLL team.. I know you didn't say it, but it is OK to like sports other than hockey. All the sports fans are into the World Cup and probably Lebron James' next destination, meanwhile sportsnet and tsn are having daily clickbait wars on Tavares.
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Post by Reesor on Jun 26, 2018 6:22:11 GMT -4
I am a bit concerned for the Mooseheads if Halifax gets both a CFL team and an NLL team.. I know you didn't say it, but it is OK to like sports other than hockey. All the sports fans are into the World Cup and probably Lebron James' next destination, meanwhile sportsnet and tsn are having daily clickbait wars on Tavares. I agree. It's also perfectly ok to be a fan of a team and want what's best for the franchise. I'm a Moose fan first and foremost in this city. I'd go to a few NLL or CFL games a year, and it wouldn't affect the amount of Moose games I go see. For the casual fan though, more options for entertainment means less Moose games attended.
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Post by Reesor on Jun 26, 2018 12:54:13 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 26, 2018 13:20:28 GMT -4
I am a bit concerned for the Mooseheads if Halifax gets both a CFL team and an NLL team.. I know you didn't say it, but it is OK to like sports other than hockey. All the sports fans are into the World Cup and probably Lebron James' next destination, meanwhile sportsnet and tsn are having daily clickbait wars on Tavares. There's a difference in liking them and supporting them. Most local sports fans are into more then 1 sport but how many actually attend live sporting events? If your market became over-saturated with local sports then the Mooseheads product could take a huge hit in attendance and revenue like other junior teams face in large markets in Canada where there is various combinations of CFL, NHL, NLL, NBL, AHL, minor league baseball, etc.
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Post by guru on Jun 26, 2018 18:53:24 GMT -4
I'm a Moose fan first and foremost in this city. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with this if someone were to make that choice after seeing everything, but how can you say this before seeing the future products? I refuse to believe you are hardcoded.
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