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Post by statsman18 on Jan 23, 2021 13:54:20 GMT -4
I was going to post earlier that they should front load it. It’s smart they did but I think they should have done more. I was thinking the first two years they should have paid been around 37.5 mil, then year 3 25 mil. After year 3 players like Bo, Vlady, Biggeo, and Pearson are going to start to be expensive. That way the last 3 years he’d be around an AAV of 16.5, which gives more money to manage those 4. Then hopefully we can throw Martin into the mix by then.
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Post by hal on Jan 26, 2021 19:26:21 GMT -4
Jays apparently have landed Marcus Semien ............1 year - 18 Million . The Plan is for him to be the Everyday 2nd Basemen .
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Post by statsman18 on Jan 27, 2021 8:23:37 GMT -4
Jays apparently have landed Marcus Semien ............1 year - 18 Million . The Plan is for him to be the Everyday 2nd Basemen . I like the player but man 18 for one year. I do have a theory to having to pay 18 million. I think if life was “normal” meaning this team is playing in Toronto the price tag might have been 13.5, 14 million. I think there is a 4.5 million dollar tax on not having a home. I can’t prove it but man this is a lot of money for one year and not getting an option year or anything thing like that. I need to add that 4 million tax IMO maybe cost them that other starting pitcher they need. Personally IMO that 4 million tax would have been better used on say a Paxton. Example Paxton will sign for 14 to most teams but the Jays with no home need to cough up extra for him to play. Now before most jump on me for using Paxton with him being Canadian I agree and have heard he grew up a Jays fan. That being said he is a Boras guy, so Scott see this you don’t think he’s going to try and get his money too?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 27, 2021 8:34:50 GMT -4
Jays apparently have landed Marcus Semien ............1 year - 18 Million . The Plan is for him to be the Everyday 2nd Basemen . I like the player but man 18 for one year. I do have a theory to having to pay 18 million. I think if life was “normal” meaning this team is playing in Toronto the price tag might have been 13.5, 14 million. I think there is a 4.5 million dollar tax on not having a home. I can’t prove it but man this is a lot of money for one year and not getting an option year or anything thing like that. I need to add that 4 million tax IMO maybe cost them that other starting pitcher they need. Personally IMO that 4 million tax would have been better used on say a Paxton. Example Paxton will sign for 14 to most teams but the Jays with no home need to cough up extra for him to play. Now before most jump on me for using Paxton with him being Canadian I agree and have heard he grew up a Jays fan. That being said he is a Boras guy, so Scott see this you don’t think he’s going to try and get his money too? Wouldn't they get the benefit of a lower tax rate in Florida? That should offset it.
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Post by jimmy on Jan 27, 2021 9:16:16 GMT -4
I like the player but man 18 for one year. I do have a theory to having to pay 18 million. I think if life was “normal” meaning this team is playing in Toronto the price tag might have been 13.5, 14 million. I think there is a 4.5 million dollar tax on not having a home. I can’t prove it but man this is a lot of money for one year and not getting an option year or anything thing like that. I need to add that 4 million tax IMO maybe cost them that other starting pitcher they need. Personally IMO that 4 million tax would have been better used on say a Paxton. Example Paxton will sign for 14 to most teams but the Jays with no home need to cough up extra for him to play. Now before most jump on me for using Paxton with him being Canadian I agree and have heard he grew up a Jays fan. That being said he is a Boras guy, so Scott see this you don’t think he’s going to try and get his money too? Wouldn't they get the benefit of a lower tax rate in Florida? That should offset it. It is not quite the same thing ... I suspect it would largely depend on circumstances of the individual player and what they personally value. Some guys would want to be paid a "tax" for the inconvenience of not being able to lay down roots ... other guys might prefer to be in a lower tax jurisdiction than Canada and view not being in Toronto as a positive. I like the Semien deal - the Jays are in a position that they can afford to spend a bit more on 2021 salaries since so many of their core guys are young and cost-controlled ... there is not much risk in spending a few million more than they otherwise would to get quality players on one-year deals.
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Post by statsman18 on Jan 27, 2021 11:19:22 GMT -4
Wouldn't they get the benefit of a lower tax rate in Florida? That should offset it. It is not quite the same thing ... I suspect it would largely depend on circumstances of the individual player and what they personally value. Some guys would want to be paid a "tax" for the inconvenience of not being able to lay down roots ... other guys might prefer to be in a lower tax jurisdiction than Canada and view not being in Toronto as a positive. I like the Semien deal - the Jays are in a position that they can afford to spend a bit more on 2021 salaries since so many of their core guys are young and cost-controlled ... there is not much risk in spending a few million more than they otherwise would to get quality players on one-year deals. Exactly! But it should be added that it’s not 100% they are playing in Florida. It’s strongly believed but it hasn’t been full confirmed mainly because the team keeps saying they want to play in Toronto. The whole border stuff makes that very hard to do so. In saying that it has been said that if they start in Florida they hope to move to Toronto when they can. That could be part of the “Tax”. I agree I like the deal, I just have a did they give up to much of budget on this guy that they miss out on the pitcher they need feeling. I think we will know in the next week or two.
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Post by jimmy on Jan 27, 2021 11:52:04 GMT -4
It is not quite the same thing ... I suspect it would largely depend on circumstances of the individual player and what they personally value. Some guys would want to be paid a "tax" for the inconvenience of not being able to lay down roots ... other guys might prefer to be in a lower tax jurisdiction than Canada and view not being in Toronto as a positive. I like the Semien deal - the Jays are in a position that they can afford to spend a bit more on 2021 salaries since so many of their core guys are young and cost-controlled ... there is not much risk in spending a few million more than they otherwise would to get quality players on one-year deals. Exactly! But it should be added that it’s not 100% they are playing in Florida. It’s strongly believed but it hasn’t been full confirmed mainly because the team keeps saying they want to play in Toronto. The whole border stuff makes that very hard to do so. In saying that it has been said that if they start in Florida they hope to move to Toronto when they can. That could be part of the “Tax”. I agree I like the deal, I just have a did they give up to much of budget on this guy that they miss out on the pitcher they need feeling. I think we will know in the next week or two. I think they are likely out on Bauer; I expect they will sign one of Paxton/Odorizzi/Walker ...
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Post by statsman18 on Jan 27, 2021 14:56:19 GMT -4
Exactly! But it should be added that it’s not 100% they are playing in Florida. It’s strongly believed but it hasn’t been full confirmed mainly because the team keeps saying they want to play in Toronto. The whole border stuff makes that very hard to do so. In saying that it has been said that if they start in Florida they hope to move to Toronto when they can. That could be part of the “Tax”. I agree I like the deal, I just have a did they give up to much of budget on this guy that they miss out on the pitcher they need feeling. I think we will know in the next week or two. I think they are likely out on Bauer; I expect they will sign one of Paxton/Odorizzi/Walker ... I’m happy to walk away from Bauer he’s over rated. As for the other 3 Mark said that they were done in the big game fishing. My guess is they might be looking in the trade market.
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Post by statsman18 on Feb 19, 2021 10:17:11 GMT -4
So pitchers and catchers have reported and spring training has started. I for one am excited to see how this season plays out. There was a lot of talk around the Jays in the off season on which players they were in on and which players they could land. The way the off season went I am extremely happy with. The one player I thought that if they can get him they should is Springer. Yeah I know all about the cheating stuff but that was only batting. His defence isn’t something you can cheat on and they needed that. He’s a good player even with out the year of cheating numbers.
They then grab Simion on a high number one year deal. The price tag IMO is maybe 5 or 6 million more than what I would have like to see him get but listening to some talk on the contract it’s actually a little less than he could have got if Oakland gave him an Offer sheet. It was a surprise they didn’t, because they could have gotten draft compensation from the Jays for signing him, but it was thought he might except it. For the Jays it’s a win/win because they don’t give up a pick or draft money plus with the new rules they can give offer sheet if he has a big year. If that happens one of two out comes can happen. 1 he signs they get him for another year, or 2 he signs else where they get a comp pick and more money for draft signing. This however is subject to change because the CBA is up in December.
Pitching was the other part of the team I felt they need to add. The younger guys coming up and that are hear show promise but I’m not and I think everyone else isn’t confident in yet. I’m talking about starters like Hatch, Kay, Stripling, Thornton, and I’ll throw Zeuch into that mix. Hatch and Kay I really like but I think a little more experience wouldn’t hurt. Stripling is okay as the 4th or 5th or a piggy back guy. Thornton I liked the year before but got hurt and missed a year so I don’t know how he’s going to fit this year. I left Pearson out of that group because he could be both on the team or have a few innings at Triple A IMO. He will be with this team I’m just saying I don’t think it would hurt to have him in the minors a little. Grabbing Ray quickly was a great move. He was good not great for the Jays last year and at 8 million he’s a good get. Grabbing Matz from the Mets was more of an deal to open up the 40 man but he could be a fit too. My biggest problem with the starting rotation is IMO they don’t have a legit number 2 pitcher. I think they have some great piggy back guys and number 3, 4 guys but not a guy who you go that is the 2nd best pitcher to Ryu. Again Pearson could be that guy but really yet to be determined. I have left out Roark because out of everyone I named I trust more but he has a 10 or 12 million dollar contract still so he will get maybe the 5th spot. I’ll come back to him later.
The bullpen is a wait and see type. Some guys they have I liked what I saw. Guys like Romano and Merryweather I think can be great 7,8 and 9th inning guys. They were soils last year. Dolis was great too and is a great 7th or 8th inning guy. Borucki has become a good left specialist. Adding Yates as a possible closer could be a huge get but once again might be a wait and see. Bring back Phelps is a good move too. He too is good in the 7th or 8th if needed. My personal sleeper is Liriano out of the pen. I think he was a good minor league signing that could payoff as a left specialist too.
After saying all that if I were to grade the building of the roster this off season I’m stuck in between a B+ and an A-. I would give the adds to the bullpen an A- it could be an A+ if Yates does what he has before last year. The Semein move I think it an A grade maybe A- but that only IMO and I want to nickel and dime on the contract. I give an A+ on Springer but the outfield I think could have been managed better. As it stands now Grichuk is going to be a 12 million dollar bench guy. Add the Roark contract and Eating the Yamaguchi money this team has almost 30 million poorly allocated this is where I feel the teams off season grade get pulled down. I know it’s easy for me to sit here not knowing what convos were hard but moving One of Grichuk or Roark and eating some money plus giving up an B grade prospect we might be talking about getting that number 2 starter. IMO Walker is that guy and I with out a second thought would give him Roark contact. I think he would take that. That happens it becomes an A off season.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 19, 2021 10:38:49 GMT -4
They have a strong lineup, the bullpen should be at least solid, the starting pitching though needs a lot of hope and prayers.
Ryu is not getting younger and has always had durability issues. Matz and Ray got lit up last year. Pearson has a big arm but he also got lit up in limited innings. Stripling and Roark are #5 type guys.
That's where things could go south in a hurry.
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Post by statsman18 on Feb 19, 2021 12:01:21 GMT -4
They have a strong lineup, the bullpen should be at least solid, the starting pitching though needs a lot of hope and prayers. Ryu is not getting younger and has always had durability issues. Matz and Ray got lit up last year. Pearson has a big arm but he also got lit up in limited innings. Stripling and Roark are #5 type guys. That's where things could go south in a hurry. Here’s the thing about the pitching I think they are looking at a piggy back style. For example I see Ray going 3 to 4 then say a Thornton going once through the order and then the pen cleaning it up. Matz does 3 to 4 then Stripling once through the line up bullpen clean up after. Or some variation of that.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 19, 2021 12:03:51 GMT -4
They have a strong lineup, the bullpen should be at least solid, the starting pitching though needs a lot of hope and prayers. Ryu is not getting younger and has always had durability issues. Matz and Ray got lit up last year. Pearson has a big arm but he also got lit up in limited innings. Stripling and Roark are #5 type guys. That's where things could go south in a hurry. Here’s the thing about the pitching I think they are looking at a piggy back style. For example I see Ray going 3 to 4 then say a Thornton going once through the order and then the pen cleaning it up. Matz does 3 to 4 then Stripling once through the line up bullpen clean up after. Or some variation of that. That sounds good in theory, but those guys need to pitch well for it to work, weather they go 3-4 innings or 5-6 innings.
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Post by statsman18 on Feb 19, 2021 13:32:56 GMT -4
Here’s the thing about the pitching I think they are looking at a piggy back style. For example I see Ray going 3 to 4 then say a Thornton going once through the order and then the pen cleaning it up. Matz does 3 to 4 then Stripling once through the line up bullpen clean up after. Or some variation of that. That sounds good in theory, but those guys need to pitch well for it to work, weather they go 3-4 innings or 5-6 innings. That can be said for every team. Don’t get wrong either I’m not saying I’m excited to see how it works, I’m just saying this IMO looks to be the plan. I’m sure they will get the chance to pitch more but I think this is how it will play out for the most part.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 19, 2021 14:39:53 GMT -4
That sounds good in theory, but those guys need to pitch well for it to work, weather they go 3-4 innings or 5-6 innings. That can be said for every team. Don’t get wrong either I’m not saying I’m excited to see how it works, I’m just saying this IMO looks to be the plan. I’m sure they will get the chance to pitch more but I think this is how it will play out for the most part. TB had some success but they had a very strong and deep pen. Boston tried it last year but shitty pitchers were still shitty.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 24, 2021 9:19:21 GMT -4
Dodgers acquired 1B/OF Ryan Noda from the Blue Jays as the second player to be named later in the Ross Stripling trade. Noda was a 15th-round pick in the 2017 MLB Draft and slashed .238/.372/.418 with 13 home runs and 14 stolen bases over 117 games at High-A Dunedin in 2019. He turns 25 years old late next month. In the end, the Dodgers received Noda and RHP prospect Kendall Williams in that Stripling deal from last August
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