galixon
Blue-Chip Prospect
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Post by galixon on Feb 26, 2024 11:34:13 GMT -4
I don't think he is going to Halifax at the draft - but I think there is a good chance he gets sacrificed either next Xmas, or as a future at the 2025 draft for a big splash next season. Why though? The picks Halifax will want belong to Moncton from the deal before Christmas. Maybe I’m not understanding everyone’s concern here, but I’m pretty sure the plan is to flip back the Mooseheads 2016 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Vidicek. Even that sounds like a lot for just him considering there’s a strong possibility their 2026 1st is a lottery pick. Why in the world would Carrier have to be involved? I think jimmy is saying Carrier will likely still be used in another deal to add another big piece, maybe with a different team. He's not saying Carrier will be in the Halifax deal
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Post by jimmy on Feb 26, 2024 11:53:42 GMT -4
Why though? The picks Halifax will want belong to Moncton from the deal before Christmas. Maybe I’m not understanding everyone’s concern here, but I’m pretty sure the plan is to flip back the Mooseheads 2016 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Vidicek. Even that sounds like a lot for just him considering there’s a strong possibility their 2026 1st is a lottery pick. Why in the world would Carrier have to be involved? I think jimmy is saying Carrier will likely still be used in another deal to add another big piece, maybe with a different team. He's not saying Carrier will be in the Halifax deal Exactly - I am just saying that, based on history, it would be unlikely that we go for it next year and emerge with Desnoyers and Carrier intact for 2025-26.
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Post by wildcatsss on Feb 26, 2024 12:01:21 GMT -4
Why though? The picks Halifax will want belong to Moncton from the deal before Christmas. Maybe I’m not understanding everyone’s concern here, but I’m pretty sure the plan is to flip back the Mooseheads 2016 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Vidicek. Even that sounds like a lot for just him considering there’s a strong possibility their 2026 1st is a lottery pick. Why in the world would Carrier have to be involved? I think jimmy is saying Carrier will likely still be used in another deal to add another big piece, maybe with a different team. He's not saying Carrier will be in the Halifax deal Draft is in Moncton and we have no first round pick yet...I think management will want to make a splash and Carrier will be traded for a very good d-men (the defensive side of the game has been our Achilles heel). If that's the case it's gonna hurt cause the kid's very talented and a hell of a player it's the sad part of hockey business...
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Feb 26, 2024 13:19:42 GMT -4
I think jimmy is saying Carrier will likely still be used in another deal to add another big piece, maybe with a different team. He's not saying Carrier will be in the Halifax deal Draft is in Moncton and we have no first round pick yet...I think management will want to make a splash and Carrier will be traded for a very good d-men (the defensive side of the game has been our Achilles heel). If that's the case it's gonna hurt cause the kid's very talented and a hell of a player it's the sad part of hockey business... Which defenseman who will be eligible to return next season is worth the price of Shawn Carrier?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 26, 2024 14:00:54 GMT -4
Those who think Carrier is going to Halifax must think Moncton is getting Cataford, Vidicek and MacKinnon. Hate to break it to you, but that’s not happening. I don't think he is going to Halifax at the draft - but I think there is a good chance he gets sacrificed either next Xmas, or as a future at the 2025 draft for a big splash next season. Trading him at the draft in 2025 to get a huge piece midseason next year makes some sense.
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Post by wildcatsss on Feb 26, 2024 14:38:28 GMT -4
Draft is in Moncton and we have no first round pick yet...I think management will want to make a splash and Carrier will be traded for a very good d-men (the defensive side of the game has been our Achilles heel). If that's the case it's gonna hurt cause the kid's very talented and a hell of a player it's the sad part of hockey business... Which defenseman who will be eligible to return next season is worth the price of Shawn Carrier? I was purely conjecturing, it only made sense but your question is relevant. It made me ask myself : what is the value of Carrier?
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Post by catzfans on Feb 26, 2024 18:11:48 GMT -4
I think jimmy is saying Carrier will likely still be used in another deal to add another big piece, maybe with a different team. He's not saying Carrier will be in the Halifax deal Exactly - I am just saying that, based on history, it would be unlikely that we go for it next year and emerge with Desnoyers and Carrier intact for 2025-26. History in futures deals hasn't always been kind to us. Do we really need to add more big pieces if we are already are getting players back in the Halifax deal? I'd rather us address the D with our Euro pick Considering what we gave up I think you have to give Carrier every chance to be an impact player next year in the Top 9 before you even think of moving him. It's not unheard of to have a 17 year old take a big step on your team making a run (Marchand was 17 on our Men Cup team)
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Post by joehockey on Feb 26, 2024 21:28:52 GMT -4
Exactly - I am just saying that, based on history, it would be unlikely that we go for it next year and emerge with Desnoyers and Carrier intact for 2025-26. History in futures deals hasn't always been kind to us. Do we really need to add more big pieces if we are already are getting players back in the Halifax deal? I'd rather us address the D with our Euro pick Considering what we gave up I think you have to give Carrier every chance to be an impact player next year in the Top 9 before you even think of moving him. It's not unheard of to have a 17 year old take a big step on your team making a run (Marchand was 17 on our Men Cup team) I agree on drafting a Euro D instead of forward if one is available. For arguments sake, let’s say Moncton picks up Vidicek by returning Halifax’s picks. This is what the forwards would look like next year: Loshing-Desnoyer-Mercier Collard-Vidicek-Lounsbury Smith-Sumpf-Carrier Cormier-Sampson-trade/draft pick/prospect You could upgrade on a guy like Mercier and bump him down the lineup but I think that the forwards as they currently stand would still be among the top units in the Q. On the other hand, a bit more uncertainty on the defence after losing both Boutin and Plandowski. Do both AFG and Grenier step up and slot into the top 4? I think adding a 19 year old Euro d man would help alleviate some pressure on those guys to perform. Maybe they could get an Axel Andersen level player. Moncton also has their own first, second and third in 2026 and a 2nd and a few 3rds in 2024 and 2025 to make some moves with. So they don’t need to go immediately to trading Carrier. I don’t think any significant move, other than the Halifax trade, will be made until Christmas. So they’ll have time to see whether they do need to make a big move at Christmas.
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Post by WHEELsnipePARTY on Feb 26, 2024 21:31:31 GMT -4
Is it the D core or coaching?
They had issues last season but it seems to be a whole new level this season with the amount of shots they allow per game.
Last year
Hammer-Morin Marcil-Plandowski AFG-Grenier/Ballentyne
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This year
Boutin-Zielisnki Plandowski-Morin AFG-Grenier Hackett
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Post by jimmy on Feb 26, 2024 21:41:08 GMT -4
Exactly - I am just saying that, based on history, it would be unlikely that we go for it next year and emerge with Desnoyers and Carrier intact for 2025-26. History in futures deals hasn't always been kind to us. Do we really need to add more big pieces if we are already are getting players back in the Halifax deal? I'd rather us address the D with our Euro pick Considering what we gave up I think you have to give Carrier every chance to be an impact player next year in the Top 9 before you even think of moving him. It's not unheard of to have a 17 year old take a big step on your team making a run (Marchand was 17 on our Men Cup team) Marchand was traded at the draft after the season as a future for Bourdon …
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 27, 2024 9:33:39 GMT -4
History in futures deals hasn't always been kind to us. Do we really need to add more big pieces if we are already are getting players back in the Halifax deal? I'd rather us address the D with our Euro pick Considering what we gave up I think you have to give Carrier every chance to be an impact player next year in the Top 9 before you even think of moving him. It's not unheard of to have a 17 year old take a big step on your team making a run (Marchand was 17 on our Men Cup team) Marchand was traded at the draft after the season as a future for Bourdon … I could see Carrier and one of AFG or Grenier traded as futures at the 2025 draft. Hopefully Desnoyers is untouchable, you use him as your big trade chip to accelerate the rebuild after.
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Post by statsman18 on Mar 7, 2024 14:06:40 GMT -4
I don't think he is going to Halifax at the draft - but I think there is a good chance he gets sacrificed either next Xmas, or as a future at the 2025 draft for a big splash next season. Why though? The picks Halifax will want belong to Moncton from the deal before Christmas. Maybe I’m not understanding everyone’s concern here, but I’m pretty sure the plan is to flip back the Mooseheads 2016 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Vidicek. Even that sounds like a lot for just him considering there’s a strong possibility their 2026 1st is a lottery pick. Why in the world would Carrier have to be involved? I know I’m a little late to the party here but I just feel it needs to be said. Vidicek isn’t the name I’ve heard going to Moncton. I’m not saying he isn’t but he’s not the name I’ve been told. So maybe this is bigger than expected.
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Mar 7, 2024 14:31:25 GMT -4
Mackinnon is headed this way
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Post by joehockey on Mar 7, 2024 14:46:19 GMT -4
Mackinnon is headed this way If that’s the case then hopefully they can change Mueller’s mind and get him to come back next year. Wasn’t Rochette in a similar situation last year (i.e. signed a contract with the NL before his 20 year old season but came back to the Q anyway)?
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Post by wildcatsss on Mar 7, 2024 14:57:18 GMT -4
Mackinnon is headed this way If that’s the case then hopefully they can change Mueller’s mind and get him to come back next year. Wasn’t Rochette in a similar situation last year (i.e. signed a contract with the NL before his 20 year old season but came back to the Q anyway)? He's gonna play pro, back home for a good amount of money. I really doubt he'll change his mind tbh.
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