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Post by Fryar on May 18, 2023 9:53:14 GMT -4
Many here disagree. It has been explained to me both viewpoints by supposed experts on TV or media. And both make sense. But control varies by what they want to accomplish. Control for a D is to swipe it a few feet to mess up a chance at a pass or shot. They do that all day. Control for a skater is take stride with it. This is why offsides reviews are so hard to tell these days. I don't want to beleaguer the point, but Truchon had two options: 1. Backhand it back to the goalie to cover 2. Forehand Pass/clear it up to the wall to a winger or out of the zone He chose the latter but Dumais defelcted over to Videcek. If that was a delayed penalty or high stick to Quebec it would have been blown down based on Truchon's actions, so that should also negate the hand pass. Anyway, time for a gut check game Friday night.
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Post by hfxfan09 on May 18, 2023 10:16:04 GMT -4
Langille better never step foot in our rink again, Atricious officiating last night the penalty on Vidicek was an awful call. Bad call just admit it on the no goal it was in and the Que player touched it they just didn't want us to win; their 2nd goal shouldn't have even counted considering they slashed Dumais; any league I've ever watched that's almost always a penalty. Have to play a full 60 minutes tomorrow night though, can't be outshot 12-0 in the first period everyone has to show up and leave it all on the ice.
Rousseau and Company have to be on their A game Fri night to bring it home again on Sunday evening. Glad the person with the medical emergency was Ok and responsive on the way out, from what I heard. (Regardless were not out, but I will not be cheering for Quebec in the Memorial cup); but don't stop believing we've won 3 before, tough task against Que but we beat them twice during the regular season.
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Post by Reesor on May 18, 2023 10:23:38 GMT -4
Langille better never step foot in our rink again, Atricious officiating last night the penalty on Vidicek was an awful call. Bad call just admit it on the no goal it was in and the Que player touched it they just didn't want us to win; their 2nd goal shouldn't have even counted considering they slashed Dumais; any league I've ever watched that's almost always a penalty. Have to play a full 60 minutes tomorrow night though, can't be outshot 12-0 in the first period everyone has to show up and leave it all on the ice. Rousseau and Company have to be on their A game Fri night to bring it home again on Sunday evening. Glad the person with the medical emergency was Ok and responsive on the way out, from what I heard. (Regardless were not out, but I will not be cheering for Quebec in the Memorial cup); but don't stop believing we've won 3 before, tough task against Que but we beat them twice during the regular season. Nathan Gaucher got called for the exact same thing earlier in the game. The puck was no where near Vidicek... he shouldn't have done that at all let alone with 3 minutes left in game 4 of the finals. I think it was PO Roy that let go of his stick. If he meant to let go of his stick there, good on him. It's all gamesmanship. Always good to play hard and let the refs do their job. That slash may have hurt Dumais, but he should've continued to skate rather than trying to sell a call. These refs are human and the last thing you want to do is develop a reputation. Just ask L'Heureux.
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Post by moosefan1994 on May 18, 2023 10:31:50 GMT -4
Langille better never step foot in our rink again, Atricious officiating last night the penalty on Vidicek was an awful call. Bad call just admit it on the no goal it was in and the Que player touched it they just didn't want us to win; their 2nd goal shouldn't have even counted considering they slashed Dumais; any league I've ever watched that's almost always a penalty. Have to play a full 60 minutes tomorrow night though, can't be outshot 12-0 in the first period everyone has to show up and leave it all on the ice. Rousseau and Company have to be on their A game Fri night to bring it home again on Sunday evening. Glad the person with the medical emergency was Ok and responsive on the way out, from what I heard. (Regardless were not out, but I will not be cheering for Quebec in the Memorial cup); but don't stop believing we've won 3 before, tough task against Que but we beat them twice during the regular season. Nathan Gaucher got called for the exact same thing earlier in the game. The puck was no where near Vidicek... he shouldn't have done that at all let alone with 3 minutes left in game 4 of the finals. I think it was PO Roy that let go of his stick. If he meant to let go of his stick there, good on him. It's all gamesmanship. Always good to play hard and let the refs do their job. That slash may have hurt Dumais, but he should've continued to skate rather than trying to sell a call. These refs are human and the last thing you want to do is develop a reputation. Just ask L'Heureux. OMG you have some absolute garbage takes, Yes Gaucher got called earlier but the Mooseheads player didn’t oversell it the way the Remparts player did on that call, if anything they should have been called for embellishing. You shit on Dumais - have you ever had a slash to the knuckles? It fucking hurts!!!
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Post by sc74 on May 18, 2023 10:33:39 GMT -4
As far as missed calls, M.Rousseau should have had an interference penalty on Gaucher when Halifax was on the PP in the 3rd. If they score right after, I would have been pissed as well. The Remparts learned the hard way last year that you make your own luck. When I saw what Dumais and Vidicek did, it reminded me of the 18 yo Quebec Remparts from last season.
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Post by hfxfan09 on May 18, 2023 10:47:50 GMT -4
As far as missed calls, M.Rousseau should have had an interference penalty on Gaucher when Halifax was on the PP in the 3rd. If they score right after, I would have been pissed as well. The Remparts learned the hard way last year that you make your own luck. When I saw what Dumais and Vidicek did, it reminded me of the 18 yo Quebec Remparts from last season. First of all, I'm not the only one that thinks that was an awful call on Vidicek second of all all Rousseau did was hit the player and go to the net no interference there. Third of all you guys have some nerve have being playing dirty I'm all for hitting the entire series and have injured 3 of our players on what should have been penalties, oh not to mention that's what the Maritime teams are so sick of, Don't tell me there's no bias it's pretty obvious. (Ask the Islanders fans too). We can lose just not when it's not officiated fairly, you don't make weak calls in the Q finals. You guys shouldn't have even scored your 2nd goal it was a pretty obvious penalty if Langille wasn't such an idiot. (And drop the puck, you don't need to talk to guys every single face-off when the crowd is always yelling at the linesmen to drop the puck).
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Post by Reesor on May 18, 2023 10:50:31 GMT -4
Nathan Gaucher got called for the exact same thing earlier in the game. The puck was no where near Vidicek... he shouldn't have done that at all let alone with 3 minutes left in game 4 of the finals. I think it was PO Roy that let go of his stick. If he meant to let go of his stick there, good on him. It's all gamesmanship. Always good to play hard and let the refs do their job. That slash may have hurt Dumais, but he should've continued to skate rather than trying to sell a call. These refs are human and the last thing you want to do is develop a reputation. Just ask L'Heureux. OMG you have some absolute garbage takes, Yes Gaucher got called earlier but the Mooseheads player didn’t oversell it the way the Remparts player did on that call, if anything they should have been called for embellishing. You shit on Dumais - have you ever had a slash to the knuckles? It fucking hurts!!! IMO there's no way the ref is calling an embellishment on that after calling the same penalty earlier in the game. That would take a lot of guts. I think there was embellishment there, but I don't think Vidicek has to make that play and get himself into that position. I'm sorry if that's a garbage take. Maybe I was too tough on Dumais. I can't know how hard he was slashed. It just really looked at the time like he stopped playing to look for a call. I was pissed there was no call as well. Rethinking about my posts lately it looks like I'm always against Halifax. Not trying to be overly pessimistic. I'm positive I come off like that a lot and it's not intentional.
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Post by moosefan1994 on May 18, 2023 11:03:26 GMT -4
OMG you have some absolute garbage takes, Yes Gaucher got called earlier but the Mooseheads player didn’t oversell it the way the Remparts player did on that call, if anything they should have been called for embellishing. You shit on Dumais - have you ever had a slash to the knuckles? It fucking hurts!!! IMO there's no way the ref is calling an embellishment on that after calling the same penalty earlier in the game. That would take a lot of guts. I think there was embellishment there, but I don't think Vidicek has to make that play and get himself into that position. I'm sorry if that's a garbage take. Maybe I was too tough on Dumais. I can't know how hard he was slashed. It just really looked at the time like he stopped playing to look for a call. I was pissed there was no call as well. Rethinking about my posts lately it looks like I'm always against Halifax. Not trying to be overly pessimistic. I'm positive I come off like that a lot and it's not intentional. The way I see it when it comes to your posts is that you try not to look like a homer. I on the other hand don’t give a fuck about how I am perceived, one minute I am an unabashed homer, the next I am shitting on the team and organization and getting ready to metaphorically jump off the bridge and end it all!!
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on May 18, 2023 11:08:49 GMT -4
I don't think the refs had it in for either team. People that say that seem to have trouble coming to terms with how complex the game is.
I saw lots of call that were not called that should have been penalties on the Moose and some that maybe could have been called on the Remparts. Maybe some were missed or they gave them a pass. We aren't privy to what the refs are communicating to the players out there.
But you make your bed and you lie in it. I was pleased when a player skated hard and kept feet moving and a penalty was called. But then they couldn't cash in on PP. Didn't pay attention to Rempart player coming out of box and he snuck up behind Dumais and took away a good chance.
Vidicek couldn't take that penalty with 3 minutes left. The Moose could have used a longer 6 on 5.
It is what it is. I refuse to play victim fan or victim of team that refs are always to blame.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on May 18, 2023 11:13:53 GMT -4
I also think a well coached team can play the refs.
If you take your penalties early and often and have a good PK you can usually get away with way more things as a game goes along. The refs don't really want to be blowing whistle all night. They want the game to settle in and sometimes the bar changes as the game goes on. It happens in other sports too because humans want to be liked.
Ask most people they don't notice the calls the refs don't make unless it's against their team...funny how that works. There is no credit given there.
There haven't been many penalties the last 2 games at all. One of the Sherbrooke games and game 2 at Quebec Halifax won the penalty war by killing them all off early then the refs just didn't call more. It helped them later.
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Post by Jacques Strap on May 18, 2023 11:14:12 GMT -4
OMG you have some absolute garbage takes, Yes Gaucher got called earlier but the Mooseheads player didn’t oversell it the way the Remparts player did on that call, if anything they should have been called for embellishing. You shit on Dumais - have you ever had a slash to the knuckles? It fucking hurts!!! IMO there's no way the ref is calling an embellishment on that after calling the same penalty earlier in the game. That would take a lot of guts. I think there was embellishment there, but I don't think Vidicek has to make that play and get himself into that position. I'm sorry if that's a garbage take. Maybe I was too tough on Dumais. I can't know how hard he was slashed. It just really looked at the time like he stopped playing to look for a call. I was pissed there was no call as well. Rethinking about my posts lately it looks like I'm always against Halifax. Not trying to be overly pessimistic. I'm positive I come off like that a lot and it's not intentional. I enjoy your posts Reesor, but since the playoffs started you have really been cautious not to give the Mooseheads too much credit or seem to have much faith in them. The reffing was pretty inconsistent. I was at the game and was able to have a view of the whole rink, behind the play when the camera wasn't there, and a lot of crap was let go. They called Whynot on that chinzy penalty in the first, but they let so much stuff go up until that point. In the 3rd Dumais had his stick broken by a slash with no call but that penalty was called earlier. I guess I have my homer view of things at times but I do know the reffing has been inconsistent.
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Post by Reesor on May 18, 2023 11:20:05 GMT -4
IMO there's no way the ref is calling an embellishment on that after calling the same penalty earlier in the game. That would take a lot of guts. I think there was embellishment there, but I don't think Vidicek has to make that play and get himself into that position. I'm sorry if that's a garbage take. Maybe I was too tough on Dumais. I can't know how hard he was slashed. It just really looked at the time like he stopped playing to look for a call. I was pissed there was no call as well. Rethinking about my posts lately it looks like I'm always against Halifax. Not trying to be overly pessimistic. I'm positive I come off like that a lot and it's not intentional. The way I see it when it comes to your posts is that you try not to look like a homer. I on the other hand don’t give a fuck about how I am perceived, one minute I am an unabashed homer, the next I am shitting on the team and organization and getting ready to metaphorically jump off the bridge and end it all!! I'm definitely making a conscious effort not to look like a homer, and in doing so, probably tilting a bit the other way. But I've given credit where it's due. Halifax was incredible last round and they're doing very well against Quebec. One break here and there and it's a different series. Some optimism? Halifax has been down 3-1 in a series 5 times: 1998 vs Rimouski, 1999 vs Bathurst, 2006 vs Moncton, 2007 vs Lewiston, 2012 vs Quebec. Four times they lost game 5 and were out. Guess what happened the 5th time.
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Post by L'il Boy on May 18, 2023 12:24:34 GMT -4
As far as missed calls, M.Rousseau should have had an interference penalty on Gaucher when Halifax was on the PP in the 3rd. If they score right after, I would have been pissed as well. The Remparts learned the hard way last year that you make your own luck. When I saw what Dumais and Vidicek did, it reminded me of the 18 yo Quebec Remparts from last season. First of all, I'm not the only one that thinks that was an awful call on Vidicek second of all all Rousseau did was hit the player and go to the net no interference there. Third of all you guys have some nerve have being playing dirty I'm all for hitting the entire series and have injured 3 of our players on what should have been penalties, oh not to mention that's what the Maritime teams are so sick of, Don't tell me there's no bias it's pretty obvious. (Ask the Islanders fans too). We can lose just not when it's not officiated fairly, you don't make weak calls in the Q finals. You guys shouldn't have even scored your 2nd goal it was a pretty obvious penalty if Langille wasn't such an idiot. (And drop the puck, you don't need to talk to guys every single face-off when the crowd is always yelling at the linesmen to drop the puck). I don't know....that cross-checking call on Evan Nause in the 3rd period was pretty weak, IMO. The call on Vidicek was the correct call....no where near the play and knocks the stick out of the Quebec players hand. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
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Post by sc74 on May 18, 2023 12:29:37 GMT -4
Nathan Gaucher got called for the exact same thing earlier in the game. The puck was no where near Vidicek... he shouldn't have done that at all let alone with 3 minutes left in game 4 of the finals. I think it was PO Roy that let go of his stick. If he meant to let go of his stick there, good on him. It's all gamesmanship. Always good to play hard and let the refs do their job. That slash may have hurt Dumais, but he should've continued to skate rather than trying to sell a call. These refs are human and the last thing you want to do is develop a reputation. Just ask L'Heureux. You shit on Dumais - have you ever had a slash to the knuckles? It fucking hurts!!! Even if it hurt him, it doesn’t excuse the fact that afterwards he stopped skating in the middle of the ice on a 3 on 2. Even if Bolduc had not scored, if Rousseau had given a rebound, Roy was all alone in front of an empty net and he could have scored easily because Dumais didn’t bother to backcheck.
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Post by L'il Boy on May 18, 2023 12:32:02 GMT -4
Nathan Gaucher got called for the exact same thing earlier in the game. The puck was no where near Vidicek... he shouldn't have done that at all let alone with 3 minutes left in game 4 of the finals. I think it was PO Roy that let go of his stick. If he meant to let go of his stick there, good on him. It's all gamesmanship. Always good to play hard and let the refs do their job. That slash may have hurt Dumais, but he should've continued to skate rather than trying to sell a call. These refs are human and the last thing you want to do is develop a reputation. Just ask L'Heureux. OMG you have some absolute garbage takes, Yes Gaucher got called earlier but the Mooseheads player didn’t oversell it the way the Remparts player did on that call, if anything they should have been called for embellishing. You shit on Dumais - have you ever had a slash to the knuckles? It fucking hurts!!! Says the guy spewing conspiracy theories...... 3 certainties in life 1) Death 2) Taxes 3) The QMJHL fucking over the Mooseheads
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