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Post by Citris on Oct 27, 2023 14:32:30 GMT -4
I just hope I never date anyone who loves me like Score loves Michael Horth (as in constantly trying to get rid of me)
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Post by Score on Oct 27, 2023 14:45:43 GMT -4
I just hope I never date anyone who loves me like Score loves Michael Horth (as in constantly trying to get rid of me) 14 goals in 13gp.. What's not to like? 2nd in league scoring with 19pts. One point behind the league leader, Loshing. .....on a rebuilding team. His 19pts would lead the Moose in scoring.
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Post by Score on Oct 27, 2023 14:49:52 GMT -4
I just hope I never date anyone who loves me like Score loves Michael Horth (as in constantly trying to get rid of me) Also, it's not that I'm "trying to get rid of him" ....moreso showing what we Isles fans said last year.... just how good this kid is and will be this 20yr old season......when others doubted him
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Post by trueblue on Oct 27, 2023 19:09:31 GMT -4
For me: the argument has never been, and will never be that Horth sucks. He's an incredibly good player that yes - the Mooseheads could use. The sticking point is he's a winger and not worth the limited assets that the Mooseheads have at their disposal. If Cam brings in Horth instead of taking a run at Roelens, I'm gonna be beyond pissed.
If Hulton is willing to essentially give Horth away, we'd be all over it! But does a return of a Todd + 3rd float your boat? You'll get more elsewhere.
On that note, I will bring up how Isles fans flocked to our boards trying to sell us a 20yo Biakabatuka last year when that wasn't a fit either. Remember how that turned out? Hope you aren't stuck holding the bag again with Horth this year. You've got a good young team (Kearsey and Conrad especially) and can't be making that mistake again.
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Post by trueblue on Oct 27, 2023 19:30:38 GMT -4
I would be willing to accept that for 2-3 more good years rather than tank next two years. I don't really see us bottoming out? In everyone's worst case scenario where we lose Dumais and Furlong for nothing, and some combination of Rousseau/Vidicek/Schultz/MacKinnon/Cataford are traded - I still think we have enough to be able to reload into being a contender (not necessarily a favourite) relatively quickly. Crosby, Levesque, Phillips and Kilfoil is a great start for the next cycle - our biggest issue the next few years will likely be in net. Cam has done a great job building this roster since 2019 and this current core that's been drafted and developed deserves a second chance at the Presidents Cup.
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Post by Herd Fan on Oct 28, 2023 8:32:38 GMT -4
I didn’t see Horth almighty on the game sheet. A little different story when not playing our preseason roster!!! Did his price just go down? Halifax will want a 20 who can score against good teams, not just the weaker start of season teams.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Oct 30, 2023 9:50:08 GMT -4
Moose will need 2 impact forwards, and they are right where they were last year, probably even better overall. But if they don't get those forwards imo, they probably don't get out of round 3. Do they have enough to add 2 guys of the Lawrence/Doucet calibre? I don't want to rely solely on Dumais as the elite offense creator, especially with his recent injury concerns. The D-core and Rousseau are great. Team defense needs to tighten up a bit though, too many high quality chances lately.
If they sold, they would be loaded with picks and young players to start the next rebuild.
They worst thing would be sitting on the fence and tinkering IMO.
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Post by Citris on Oct 30, 2023 11:24:51 GMT -4
Moose will need 2 impact forwards, and they are right where they were last year, probably even better overall. But if they don't get those forwards imo, they probably don't get out of round 3. Do they have enough to add 2 guys of the Lawrence/Doucet calibre? I don't want to rely solely on Dumais as the elite offense creator, especially with his recent injury concerns. The D-core and Rousseau are great. Team defense needs to tighten up a bit though, too many high quality chances lately. If they sold, they would be loaded with picks and young players to start the next rebuild. They worst thing would be sitting on the fence and tinkering IMO. How good Josh Lawrence was for us as a 20 is something that can't be replaced. Period. That type of performance is something that comes around once every 20 or years or so, Lawrence was an absolute monster. We've had some VERY good performances from 20 year olds over the years, Stefan Fournier, Konrad Abeltshauser, Samuel Asselin, Otto Somppi, Darcy Ashley and Brent Andrews... IMO none of those seasons come close to the impact that Josh Lawrence had in his time here, and that's a high bar. And that's not even taking into account that Alex Doucet was as good as any of those names mentioned. I agree they need two forwards, but there simply are not players of Lawrence or Doucet's caliber available. The only thing that might come close that I see is if Justin Robidas returns to the CHL instead of staying in the ECHL.
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Post by statsman18 on Oct 30, 2023 11:32:41 GMT -4
Moose will need 2 impact forwards, and they are right where they were last year, probably even better overall. But if they don't get those forwards imo, they probably don't get out of round 3. Do they have enough to add 2 guys of the Lawrence/Doucet calibre? I don't want to rely solely on Dumais as the elite offense creator, especially with his recent injury concerns. The D-core and Rousseau are great. Team defense needs to tighten up a bit though, too many high quality chances lately. If they sold, they would be loaded with picks and young players to start the next rebuild. They worst thing would be sitting on the fence and tinkering IMO. To your point there is no Lawrence calibre player in the league. Maybe you could argue Ethan Gauthier and Antinon Verreault are those guys but both are on contenders. The Doucet Calibre players I think can be had and there’s been named who fit this description. I’m not saying they need a number one but a capable back is going to be needed. Milner did get his first win this weekend but he did everything in his power to throw it away. If Rousseau goes down for any length or maybe makes world jr, Halifax will be in a bad place to get wins. Also last year L’Heureux coming back from injury was a major boost to the roster. They don’t have that type player coming back for free. They do have Crosby who has improved but is no L’Heureux. Maybe a free agent add could be done too. 2 new 20 forwards and a free agent forward who can be a good middle six guy would be top priority. If it’s possible I would definitely then look to upgrade the backup goalie. Maybe a free agent also.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Oct 30, 2023 13:21:11 GMT -4
Moose will need 2 impact forwards, and they are right where they were last year, probably even better overall. But if they don't get those forwards imo, they probably don't get out of round 3. Do they have enough to add 2 guys of the Lawrence/Doucet calibre? I don't want to rely solely on Dumais as the elite offense creator, especially with his recent injury concerns. The D-core and Rousseau are great. Team defense needs to tighten up a bit though, too many high quality chances lately. If they sold, they would be loaded with picks and young players to start the next rebuild. They worst thing would be sitting on the fence and tinkering IMO. How good Josh Lawrence was for us as a 20 is something that can't be replaced. Period. That type of performance is something that comes around once every 20 or years or so, Lawrence was an absolute monster. We've had some VERY good performances from 20 year olds over the years, Stefan Fournier, Konrad Abeltshauser, Samuel Asselin, Otto Somppi, Darcy Ashley and Brent Andrews... IMO none of those seasons come close to the impact that Josh Lawrence had in his time here, and that's a high bar. And that's not even taking into account that Alex Doucet was as good as any of those names mentioned. I agree they need two forwards, but there simply are not players of Lawrence or Doucet's caliber available. The only thing that might come close that I see is if Justin Robidas returns to the CHL instead of staying in the ECHL. I didn't mean they had to be every bit as good as those guys ended up being. I mean we need at least 2 more additions of guys who can create/finish the offense. 2 guys who are better than every guy we consider to be our 2nd and 3rd liners right now. 2 Guys who are basically at or above the calibre of Cataford/Vidicek. We have a similar looking team to the one we had last year, but we had Doucet, Lawrence and L'Heureux as supporting impact players. We won't be better than last year without impact upgrades up front.
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Post by itstime on Oct 30, 2023 14:19:25 GMT -4
I dont think you will see the mooseheads go all in this year and I dont think you will see them sell either. I think you will see them cheap out on another 20, look at free agents to add. Its hard to sell a player like Kilfoil to sign in Halifax if he is going to be part of a reset, and I am sure he has a no trade as well. I think you will see them add small pieces without removing the future of the team.
You might see them trade a player like Eddy Doyle but honestly I dont even know if you see that as he will be needed next year with the lose of Moravec and Furlong.
Its funny everyone thinks that this team isnt that great yet they have really only lost 4 games and 2 of those from before Roster or Dumer are in the lineup.
Now I do feel they are missing something, a second line centre is one thing, and really our 2nd line is a third line by age. Kilfoil and Levesque will be great players in this league and if they get playing time they will even adjust to be better quicker but adding some size and toughness on that second line is needed. As for our Goalie situation give Jack Milner some time I think some of his struggles are mentally putting to puch presure on his self, and alot of that is his positioning and that should be an easy adjustment for him.
I dont see fireworks from the mooseheads, would I like it yes but I really dont see it happening.
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Post by howitzer on Oct 30, 2023 15:33:36 GMT -4
Its funny everyone thinks that this team isnt that great That's not true. They're a really good team, and with a few improvements, be a great team. People like to discuss possibilities.
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Post by trueblue on Oct 31, 2023 12:25:51 GMT -4
Yowzers!
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Post by howitzer on Oct 31, 2023 13:18:46 GMT -4
Simon's bribing the voters? Lol
These rankings mean nothing, but #1 in the country when they're 2nd in their own division? They're a top 10 team without question but #1?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 31, 2023 13:45:47 GMT -4
Simon's bribing the voters? Lol These rankings mean nothing, but #1 in the country when they're 2nd in their own division? They're a top 10 team without question but #1? Its almost like the 3 stars at the end of a game....its more of a random popularity contest that some times makes perfect sense and others it seems like too much thought has gone into it.
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