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Post by jboyz on Nov 15, 2023 17:37:49 GMT -4
I see CB going for a high end defenceman with that SJ 1st. Maybe its a big time scorer but I wouldnt be shocked at all to see them go after a returning D with that pick. We're past the point of saying the buying is just furthering the downward spiral. They're going to buy from the middle and argue for a decade why it was the only decision. Only big time D I could see being available is Tourigny on SHA. I think if Shawinigan doesn’t win the bid to host the Mem cup next year, they’ll look to sell off most their top guys especially if they continue to struggle.
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 15, 2023 18:02:56 GMT -4
I see CB going for a high end defenceman with that SJ 1st. Maybe its a big time scorer but I wouldnt be shocked at all to see them go after a returning D with that pick. We're past the point of saying the buying is just furthering the downward spiral. They're going to buy from the middle and argue for a decade why it was the only decision. Only big time D I could see being available is Tourigny on SHA. I think if Shawinigan doesn’t win the bid to host the Mem cup next year, they’ll look to sell off most their top guys especially if they continue to struggle. At some point, Luneau is going to come back given that he isnt playing much and he's a game changer on D.
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Post by gocapebreton on Nov 15, 2023 18:43:56 GMT -4
With regards to CB, imo, they are lacking an offensive D to start. I never did like the Langlois trade return verses the assets spent on a couple of non offensive D. Anyway, that's in the rear view mirror. I personally would not be spending any significant assets on 20's such as Horth or Roelens. Depending on the cost I would be calling on a few others. 1) Fauchon from BB? A 19 that should be back. Would Ricard and the 26 1st land him? 2) Could Peddle be a possibility, somewhere close to the value of the Collard trade. He might get a recharge by playing closer to home and with a couple of old team mates. If Drum plans to buy, maybe a couple of 2nds and 19 yo Houde?3) The offensive D. Realistically not too many available. Not sure Shawinigan would trade Tourigny. Also, depending on exactly what Victoriaville's plans are, Pier-Olivier Roy might be an option. Would shopping Scmitt to bring in Roy be an option? I would hope they hold the SJ pick until the draft, barring a Tourigny deal.
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Post by statsman18 on Nov 16, 2023 12:00:36 GMT -4
I’m just going to throw this here because it seems like a good spot to do so. I have nothing to base this on but my gut so don’t take it as gospel. I see a fit where Horth goes to CB and Shortall plus picks heading back to the Island. Horth could help CB secondary scoring and Shortall could give a little more experience to PEI’s backend. To me this just seems like a fit. i know numbers don't tell the entire story but why would we want an overage dman with zero points this year as part of a package for Horth? we already have a vet dman with zero points named Michel the picks you are proposing would have to be awfully good So very obviously I’m saying he’s a throw in but the picks I’m talking about aren’t probably as good as the Islander faithful would hope. I think something along the lines of what Moncton gave up to get Trenholm. Once again I’m going to say something you don’t agree with here but Horth isn’t a game changer so his real value isn’t what you’d hope it is. If you yourself remember last year I said there was no market for 20yo defencemen last year and it wouldn’t surprise me if he doesn’t get traded. You went on to say that’s the stupidest post you ever seen. What happened. This is another case Horth where islander fans over value a guy. Horth is a second tier 20yo and probably only brings back something like 2 2nds maybe 1st and 3rd or 4th round pick. Now I know you Countryboy and Score won’t agree with what I’m saying because you all want more out of the asset.
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Post by bois on Nov 16, 2023 12:09:10 GMT -4
i know numbers don't tell the entire story but why would we want an overage dman with zero points this year as part of a package for Horth? we already have a vet dman with zero points named Michel the picks you are proposing would have to be awfully good So very obviously I’m saying he’s a throw in but the picks I’m talking about aren’t probably as good as the Islander faithful would hope. I think something along the lines of what Moncton gave up to get Trenholm. Once again I’m going to say something you don’t agree with here but Horth isn’t a game changer so his real value isn’t what you’d hope it is. If you yourself remember last year I said there was no market for 20yo defencemen last year and it wouldn’t surprise me if he doesn’t get traded. You went on to say that’s the stupidest post you ever seen. What happened. This is another case Horth where islander fans over value a guy. Horth is a second tier 20yo and probably only brings back something like 2 2nds maybe 1st and 3rd or 4th round pick. Now I know you Countryboy and Score won’t agree with what I’m saying because you all want more out of the asset. I think if we were to move Horth to Cape Breton it would be Biggar coming back home to finish his junior career on PEI not Shortall as for the picks.... I actually agree that they may well not be what we as Isles fans would want in fact if you read what I have posted about Horth it's that I could see us winding up not moving him as we lack goal scoring ... i think it's about 50-50 right now honestly having said that if we were offered a combination of 2 2nd's or a 1st and a third I think we take it for sure given where our picks sit right now will be interesting to see where things play out...... I do not agree with the notion that Horth is a second tier 20 year old tho...... the facts are he is one of the top producing twenties in the league on a team that is goal starved..... he changes games for us.... on a top contender you're right he's likely a secondary piece and not the top asset available as for last year I think it was a mistake for many teams to not go after Biakabatuka..... he was a game changing 20 year old... but you can't control what other teams do.....
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Post by Score on Nov 16, 2023 12:26:15 GMT -4
i know numbers don't tell the entire story but why would we want an overage dman with zero points this year as part of a package for Horth? we already have a vet dman with zero points named Michel the picks you are proposing would have to be awfully good So very obviously I’m saying he’s a throw in but the picks I’m talking about aren’t probably as good as the Islander faithful would hope. I think something along the lines of what Moncton gave up to get Trenholm. Once again I’m going to say something you don’t agree with here but Horth isn’t a game changer so his real value isn’t what you’d hope it is. If you yourself remember last year I said there was no market for 20yo defencemen last year and it wouldn’t surprise me if he doesn’t get traded. You went on to say that’s the stupidest post you ever seen. What happened. This is another case Horth where islander fans over value a guy. Horth is a second tier 20yo and probably only brings back something like 2 2nds maybe 1st and 3rd or 4th round pick. Now I know you Countryboy and Score won’t agree with what I’m saying because you all want more out of the asset. As I mentioned already, Horth is 2nd in league goals scored. He is 1st in PP goals scored. Bottom line is, the kid can score. If he gets moved during the trade period, he won't be given away.... Goals scored do matter.
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Post by Citris on Nov 16, 2023 12:55:55 GMT -4
So very obviously I’m saying he’s a throw in but the picks I’m talking about aren’t probably as good as the Islander faithful would hope. I think something along the lines of what Moncton gave up to get Trenholm. Once again I’m going to say something you don’t agree with here but Horth isn’t a game changer so his real value isn’t what you’d hope it is. If you yourself remember last year I said there was no market for 20yo defencemen last year and it wouldn’t surprise me if he doesn’t get traded. You went on to say that’s the stupidest post you ever seen. What happened. This is another case Horth where islander fans over value a guy. Horth is a second tier 20yo and probably only brings back something like 2 2nds maybe 1st and 3rd or 4th round pick. Now I know you Countryboy and Score won’t agree with what I’m saying because you all want more out of the asset. As I mentioned already, Horth is 2nd in league goals scored. He is 1st in PP goals scored. Bottom line is, the kid can score. If he gets moved during the trade period, he won't be given away.... Goals scored do matter. It really depends on what the market is. For contenders- Rouyn has Jeremy Langlois, William Rousseau and Anthony Turcotte... You could make an argument that he's an upgrade on Turcotte, but he's currently serving as their #1 C so they're more likely to target Roelens, if that falls through, they'll have to address the hole Turcotte leaves at center before considering Horth. For Victo - they're set. Pellerin and Cormier are the backbone of their offense and Darveau is the backbone of the team. The Drakkar has a pretty solid trio in Justin Gill, Emile Chouinard and Isaac Dufort. I don't see a high likelyhood of them being in on Horth The most likely trade partner is Drummondville, Drew Elliot and Tristan Roy aren't 20's on contenders. Mikael Diotte is probably staying around but they need 2 upgrades at forward. They also have Charlottetown's own 1st and 2nd for the 2024 draft... which is appealing for sure. They could also use to add another winger, so, I 100% see a fit there, especially given the trading history. Halifax obviously has an open spot and has a 20 in Brody Fournier that can be upgraded, and I'm sure they will inquire, but... they have holes at center to be addressed first. There are a few wildcards, Cape Breton comes to mind... they're the most inconsistent offensive team in the league and they have sly as a GM. Chicoutimi has a ton of assets and might decide they want to try to win a few rounds this year to season the young guns... but I doubt it. Idk, I don't see a fit anywhere else.
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Post by Score on Nov 16, 2023 13:00:01 GMT -4
As I mentioned already, Horth is 2nd in league goals scored. He is 1st in PP goals scored. Bottom line is, the kid can score. If he gets moved during the trade period, he won't be given away.... Goals scored do matter. It really depends on what the market is. For contenders- Rouyn has Jeremy Langlois, William Rousseau and Anthony Turcotte... You could make an argument that he's an upgrade on Turcotte, but he's currently serving as their #1 C so they're more likely to target Roelens, if that falls through, they'll have to address the hole Turcotte leaves at center before considering Horth. For Victo - they're set. Pellerin and Cormier are the backbone of their offense and Darveau is the backbone of the team. The Drakkar has a pretty solid trio in Justin Gill, Emile Chouinard and Isaac Dufort. I don't see a high likelyhood of them being in on Horth The most likely trade partner is Drummondville, Drew Elliot and Tristan Roy aren't 20's on contenders. Mikael Diotte is probably staying around but they need 2 upgrades at forward. They also have Charlottetown's own 1st and 2nd for the 2024 draft... which is appealing for sure. They could also use to add another winger, so, I 100% see a fit there, especially given the trading history. Halifax obviously has an open spot and has a 20 in Brody Fournier that can be upgraded, and I'm sure they will inquire, but... they have holes at center to be addressed first. There are a few wildcards, Cape Breton comes to mind... they're the most inconsistent offensive team in the league and they have sly as a GM. Chicoutimi has a ton of assets and might decide they want to try to win a few rounds this year to season the young guns... but I doubt it. Idk, I don't see a fit anywhere else. He'll end up in Halifax. Count on it
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 16, 2023 13:09:07 GMT -4
So very obviously I’m saying he’s a throw in but the picks I’m talking about aren’t probably as good as the Islander faithful would hope. I think something along the lines of what Moncton gave up to get Trenholm. Once again I’m going to say something you don’t agree with here but Horth isn’t a game changer so his real value isn’t what you’d hope it is. If you yourself remember last year I said there was no market for 20yo defencemen last year and it wouldn’t surprise me if he doesn’t get traded. You went on to say that’s the stupidest post you ever seen. What happened. This is another case Horth where islander fans over value a guy. Horth is a second tier 20yo and probably only brings back something like 2 2nds maybe 1st and 3rd or 4th round pick. Now I know you Countryboy and Score won’t agree with what I’m saying because you all want more out of the asset. I think if we were to move Horth to Cape Breton it would be Biggar coming back home to finish his junior career on PEI not Shortall as for the picks.... I actually agree that they may well not be what we as Isles fans would want in fact if you read what I have posted about Horth it's that I could see us winding up not moving him as we lack goal scoring ... i think it's about 50-50 right now honestly having said that if we were offered a combination of 2 2nd's or a 1st and a third I think we take it for sure given where our picks sit right now will be interesting to see where things play out...... I do not agree with the notion that Horth is a second tier 20 year old tho...... the facts are he is one of the top producing twenties in the league on a team that is goal starved..... he changes games for us.... on a top contender you're right he's likely a secondary piece and not the top asset available as for last year I think it was a mistake for many teams to not go after Biakabatuka..... he was a game changing 20 year old... but you can't control what other teams do..... They view Biggar as a top 3 guy and Shortall as a bottom pairing guy so the only reason anyone had Shortall going back was to give you a free overager for the 2nd half. Once Biggar is brought up it's a non-starter for Sly. That's his 20yr old captain he drafted in Bathurst and traded for here. But they have the picks to do a 2nd+3rd+Shortall for a 20yr old upgrade.
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Post by statsman18 on Nov 16, 2023 13:41:16 GMT -4
I think if we were to move Horth to Cape Breton it would be Biggar coming back home to finish his junior career on PEI not Shortall as for the picks.... I actually agree that they may well not be what we as Isles fans would want in fact if you read what I have posted about Horth it's that I could see us winding up not moving him as we lack goal scoring ... i think it's about 50-50 right now honestly having said that if we were offered a combination of 2 2nd's or a 1st and a third I think we take it for sure given where our picks sit right now will be interesting to see where things play out...... I do not agree with the notion that Horth is a second tier 20 year old tho...... the facts are he is one of the top producing twenties in the league on a team that is goal starved..... he changes games for us.... on a top contender you're right he's likely a secondary piece and not the top asset available as for last year I think it was a mistake for many teams to not go after Biakabatuka..... he was a game changing 20 year old... but you can't control what other teams do..... They view Biggar as a top 3 guy and Shortall as a bottom pairing guy so the only reason anyone had Shortall going back was to give you a free overager for the 2nd half. Once Biggar is brought up it's a non-starter for Sly. That's his 20yr old captain he drafted in Bathurst and traded for here. But they have the picks to do a 2nd+3rd+Shortall for a 20yr old upgrade. And doesn’t Horth on the 2nd line make a lot sense there? Basically your price is what I’m thinking. It doesn’t frig up your future and it adds adds I need big time.
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Post by statsman18 on Nov 16, 2023 13:55:59 GMT -4
It really depends on what the market is. For contenders- Rouyn has Jeremy Langlois, William Rousseau and Anthony Turcotte... You could make an argument that he's an upgrade on Turcotte, but he's currently serving as their #1 C so they're more likely to target Roelens, if that falls through, they'll have to address the hole Turcotte leaves at center before considering Horth. For Victo - they're set. Pellerin and Cormier are the backbone of their offense and Darveau is the backbone of the team. The Drakkar has a pretty solid trio in Justin Gill, Emile Chouinard and Isaac Dufort. I don't see a high likelyhood of them being in on Horth The most likely trade partner is Drummondville, Drew Elliot and Tristan Roy aren't 20's on contenders. Mikael Diotte is probably staying around but they need 2 upgrades at forward. They also have Charlottetown's own 1st and 2nd for the 2024 draft... which is appealing for sure. They could also use to add another winger, so, I 100% see a fit there, especially given the trading history. Halifax obviously has an open spot and has a 20 in Brody Fournier that can be upgraded, and I'm sure they will inquire, but... they have holes at center to be addressed first. There are a few wildcards, Cape Breton comes to mind... they're the most inconsistent offensive team in the league and they have sly as a GM. Chicoutimi has a ton of assets and might decide they want to try to win a few rounds this year to season the young guns... but I doubt it. Idk, I don't see a fit anywhere else. He'll end up in Halifax. Count on it Do you know something? Because if he’s going to Halifax trust me you’re going to hate the return. They have nothing of value till 2025 and they sure as hell are not giving up that first for him. He’s a 4th or 5th option at best. The top 3 names that Halifax will be looking at are Roelens, Mianscum, and Reynolds. Horth doesn’t bump anyone of those guys. Those guys can run the play Horth is the guy who finds his spot lets someone else do the work and get off a shot or clean up garbage in front. Halifax needs players to run the secondary scoring.
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Post by Score on Nov 16, 2023 14:13:42 GMT -4
He'll end up in Halifax. Count on it Halifax needs players to run the secondary scoring. Is this not secondary scoring enough? He is 2nd in QMJHL goals scored. He is 1ST in PP goals scored. Not good enough for secondary scoring? That's a joke!
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Post by Score on Nov 16, 2023 14:25:49 GMT -4
He'll end up in Halifax. Count on it Do you know something? Because if he’s going to Halifax trust me you’re going to hate the return. They have nothing of value till 2025 and they sure as hell are not giving up that first for him. He’s a 4th or 5th option at best. The top 3 names that Halifax will be looking at are Roelens, Mianscum, and Reynolds. Horth doesn’t bump anyone of those guys. Those guys can run the play Horth is the guy who finds his spot lets someone else do the work and get off a shot or clean up garbage in front. Halifax needs players to run the secondary scoring. He is the top goal Scorer that's available. More goals means more wins. The top goal Scorer in the league is NOT available....but the player who is 2nd in league scoring....and #1 in PP goals IS available.....but not good enough for the Mooseheads...lol OK.
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Post by sc74 on Nov 16, 2023 14:37:03 GMT -4
Mikael Huchette is going to Drummondville according to local news. Unless the trade gets cancelled because of health problems... He has mono for the 2nd time in 14 months. It's almost impossible to have mono twice. The Remparts' doc had never had a case in his 30 years career.
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Post by hal on Nov 16, 2023 14:49:31 GMT -4
Will Orr of Bathurst be on the Move ?
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