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Post by jordo999 on Nov 20, 2023 16:01:29 GMT -4
So what Teams are sitting with High End 18 year olds that would be potentially Traded ? And who are some of these Guys ? Hard to tell if teams are willing to move 18 YO's but some that come to mind could be Perron (BAT), Bourque (BLB), Romeo (CHA), Vermette (CHI), Peddle (DRU), Goyette (DRU), Beaudry (DRU), Rottondi (DRU), Dorion (QUE), Wener (QUE), Coursol (RIM), Blais (RIM), St-Denis (RIM), Coughlin (RIM), Brunelle (ROU), Verdon (ROU), Elie (SJ), Mateiko (SJ), Simek (SJ), Bilodeau (SJ), Tourigny (SHA), Dubois (SHE). There could be more as well but these are the more interesting names. To be honest though I doubt the majority of these names would be moved, the DRU players make sense as futures unless they really need a shake up, they're still a top team at the moment. SJ already proved to moved guys who's values are high with Burbidge, wouldn't shock me if they do similar over Christmas and stockpile more picks/prospects. Rimouski could compete next year or year after so they likely could hold onto their good 18 YO's. Blais would be a huge add for a team though if they decide to move him while value is high.
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Post by Citris on Nov 20, 2023 16:37:11 GMT -4
what's a realistic deal for Horth then? An OA + high pick + young player who's a former 1st rounder seems around normal for an OA player. For context, last year Lawrence and Doucet, who are with all due respect much better players than any 20 available this year, went for the following - To Halifax : Josh Lawrence 4th round pick 2023 | To BLB: 1st round pick 2024 2nd round pick 2023 James Swan | To Halifax : Alex Doucet | To Val d'Or: 1st round pick 2023 2nd round pick 2023 3rd round pick 2024 |
Other notables included William Veillette who was moved to Victo for a 2nd and 3rd, Franky Lappenna who was moved to the Olympique for a 3rd, a 2nd, a 5th and 2 players that amounted to a bag of pucks. Olivier Adam was moved for a 3rd and a 6th, Manix Landry and Marshall Lessard were moved for a 2nd round pick each, Xavier Fortin and Charles-Antoine Dumont were swapped for each-other one for one. Gravel fetched a 5th, Huard Jr. a 6th and 4th, followed by an 8th later on. I probably missed a few in there, but, 1+2+3 I would say is the maximum value you should expect for a 20, and that's if you have the clear #1 guy available, which I don't think Horth, or Roelens, or Mianscum really qualify as. My thing with Jim Hulton is he's a little hard to predict, I'm sure he'd take picks but his preference would be players. We also know he likes building from the net out. He'll want guys he thinks can make an impact next year over picks.
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Post by Citris on Nov 20, 2023 16:43:26 GMT -4
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Post by howitzer on Nov 20, 2023 16:49:02 GMT -4
Armada dealt Justin Boisselle to Gat for a 2024 5th.
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Post by Citris on Nov 20, 2023 17:29:16 GMT -4
Armada dealt Justin Boisselle to Gat for a 2024 5th. Gatineau throwing dice hoping something lands.
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 20, 2023 17:36:33 GMT -4
what's a realistic deal for Horth then? An OA + high pick + young player who's a former 1st rounder seems around normal for an OA player. For context, last year Lawrence and Doucet, who are with all due respect much better players than any 20 available this year, went for the following - To Halifax : Josh Lawrence 4th round pick 2023 | To BLB: 1st round pick 2024 2nd round pick 2023 James Swan | To Halifax : Alex Doucet | To Val d'Or: 1st round pick 2023 2nd round pick 2023 3rd round pick 2024 |
Other notables included William Veillette who was moved to Victo for a 2nd and 3rd, Franky Lappenna who was moved to the Olympique for a 3rd, a 2nd, a 5th and 2 players that amounted to a bag of pucks. Olivier Adam was moved for a 3rd and a 6th, Manix Landry and Marshall Lessard were moved for a 2nd round pick each, Xavier Fortin and Charles-Antoine Dumont were swapped for each-other one for one. Gravel fetched a 5th, Huard Jr. a 6th and 4th, followed by an 8th later on. I probably missed a few in there, but, 1+2+3 I would say is the maximum value you should expect for a 20, and that's if you have the clear #1 guy available, which I don't think Horth, or Roelens, or Mianscum really qualify as. My thing with Jim Hulton is he's a little hard to predict, I'm sure he'd take picks but his preference would be players. We also know he likes building from the net out. He'll want guys he thinks can make an impact next year over picks. Gendron and Robidas would be the only players close to that level.
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Post by Score on Nov 20, 2023 18:22:41 GMT -4
Would Cam Russell be looking to add yet another average player? The Islanders actually make quite a bit of sense. Regariding Peddle, I posted on the Isles board sometime last week....I agree 100%. Right age. High potential. Would be a great fit for the Isles.
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Post by Citris on Nov 20, 2023 18:31:10 GMT -4
Gendron and Robidas would be the only players close to that level. I didn't include them because they were 19, even being NHL drafted, the values are going to be different than a 20 year old due to the fact you can only have 3. Frederic Brunet, Riley Kidney and Jake Melanson would also fit in that conversation
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 20, 2023 18:37:13 GMT -4
Gendron and Robidas would be the only players close to that level. I didn't include them because they were 19, even being NHL drafted, the values are going to be different than a 20 year old due to the fact you can only have 3. Frederic Brunet, Riley Kidney and Jake Melanson would also fit in that conversation I meant this year.
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Post by Citris on Nov 20, 2023 18:42:09 GMT -4
I didn't include them because they were 19, even being NHL drafted, the values are going to be different than a 20 year old due to the fact you can only have 3. Frederic Brunet, Riley Kidney and Jake Melanson would also fit in that conversation I meant this year. Ohhhh, right, sorry that makes more sense. IF they're back, than yea I could see those guys going. I'd do 1+2+3 for Robidas and/or Gendron. That wouldn't be a particularly hard choice for me haha.
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 20, 2023 18:46:52 GMT -4
Ohhhh, right, sorry that makes more sense. IF they're back, than yea I could see those guys going. I'd do 1+2+3 for Robidas and/or Gendron. That wouldn't be a particularly hard choice for me haha. Robidas is stuck in the ECHL due to some horrible mistakes by Carolina (but there's no guarantees that they won't leave him there). Gendron scored in his first 2 but has been a non-factor since. Of the rest, Brunet is the most likely to come back, but that doesn't help Halifax. Luneau is the prize, but I suspect someone enters into the kind of bidding that Halifax avoids.
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Post by gocapebreton on Nov 20, 2023 21:11:17 GMT -4
The Islanders actually make quite a bit of sense. Regariding Peddle, I posted on the Isles board sometime last week....I agree 100%. Right age. High potential. Would be a great fit for the Isles. I see Peddle as a better fit in CB. I can't see a Horth for Peddle deal. I see Horth's value at most a 2nd and 3rd. More logical to me would be 19 yo Houde plus 2nd and 3rd for Peddle. Much along the value of the Collard trade who 3rd overall in that draft. And Collard is having a better season. That also would I believe reunite Peddle with a player or two from AAA.
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Post by sherwood1020 on Nov 20, 2023 23:19:28 GMT -4
Regariding Peddle, I posted on the Isles board sometime last week....I agree 100%. Right age. High potential. Would be a great fit for the Isles. I see Peddle as a better fit in CB. I can't see a Horth for Peddle deal. I see Horth's value at most a 2nd and 3rd. More logical to me would be 19 yo Houde plus 2nd and 3rd for Peddle. Much along the value of the Collard trade who 3rd overall in that draft. And Collard is having a better season. That also would I believe reunite Peddle with a player or two from AAA. Just what we need, another underachieving forward who never wanted to come here in the first place.
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 21, 2023 8:42:04 GMT -4
Regariding Peddle, I posted on the Isles board sometime last week....I agree 100%. Right age. High potential. Would be a great fit for the Isles. I see Peddle as a better fit in CB. I can't see a Horth for Peddle deal. I see Horth's value at most a 2nd and 3rd. More logical to me would be 19 yo Houde plus 2nd and 3rd for Peddle. Much along the value of the Collard trade who 3rd overall in that draft. And Collard is having a better season. That also would I believe reunite Peddle with a player or two from AAA. This is a joke? The fans don't want a Peddle, because they want a rebuild. Management shouldn't want a Peddle because he isn't making his current team better. And on top of that, trading a guy who was a top 6 forward last year (and who might be with a few tweaks) for a similar player while adding on is a fool's game for a team going for it. Peddle would make sense in SJ or Charlottetown because he'd just be one of the guys. Maybe he grows up and can be flipped by one of them, but gambling on an attitude change and finding his game while CB is trying to get better is silly. (Note: I'm not saying that the value is off. I am saying that CB should not even consider the player himself).
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 21, 2023 10:20:20 GMT -4
It's surprising to see anyone who follows the game suggest Peddle would be a good move for the Eagles.
Mentioning Houde, a deal that his him + picks to Victo for either Larose or Gendron at the draft would be interesting.
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