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Post by Penguins23® on Sept 15, 2008 21:29:12 GMT -4
I could not believe the cheap shot Southorn put on Matt Brown. That sort of hit has ended hockey careers. I can not remember the circumstances surrounding this hit. Somebody refresh my memory. Center ice elbow right to the face. Brown has a concussion.
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Post by Dman on Sept 15, 2008 22:22:37 GMT -4
Is it because he is a late birthday? I'm pretty sure yes. His birthday is October 22, 1990. In order to get drafted this year, he would have had to have turned 18 by September 15th.
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 16, 2008 7:56:26 GMT -4
I could not believe the cheap shot Southorn put on Matt Brown. That sort of hit has ended hockey careers. If the League is serious about curbing volience they should use that hit as an example to suspend Southorn.I was very dissappointed in Biduke and Eagles who where on the ice and skated right by. Morehouse or Sill would not have let that happen.Eagles now with the C has to show what a leader he his.I would hope Flynn would talk to them both. The new rules regarding fighting have to address the need to be able to go after a player that throws cheap shots knowing that someone will not fight because he will get suspended.Even so the next time Eagles is lying on the ice I am sur he would appreciate ateamate sticking up for him. Eagles going up to Southorn and getting the crap kicked out of himself is not going to help matters any ... If the team is going to bother carrying Lane, and dressing him ahead of better hockey players, IMO, he should be used accordingly ... he should have been on the ice waiting for Southorn when his penalty expired and made him face the music ... but he wasn't. If you aren't going to use Lane as an enforcer, then cut him ... and what better situation to use an enforcer than after one of your young players gets his bell rung with a cheapshot in a lopsided game no where near the puck? The only rationale I can see is if Lane would be facing an automatic suspension by going after Southorn due to the time and score of the game - in which case he can make it a point to take care of business with him next time the teams meet. Somehow I doubt Southorn is going to drop the gloves with Lane ... I don't think very many in the Q will. So if Lane lines up on the ice and tells Southorn he is coming at him ... Southorn doesn't drop his gloves and Lane starts wailing on him ... does that remind you of anything that happened in the playoffs last year ? Lane could be in line for 15 games if that scenario plays out. I'm not saying Lane is some monster to be feared in the line of Cormier or Tremblay of past years. Lane hasn't proven anything ... but at 6'8" and 245 there aren't many that will be interested in tangling with him ... his reach alone makes it a tough venture. Plus ... Lane isn't worth it since he has no value on the ice other than enforcement. Why would an elite Dman like Southorn waste his time with Lane ? Lane will find a few partners in guys like Worden and Bouchard ... thats all they can do also. But guys that play regularly and lay a big hit or a cheap hit aren't going to give Lane the time of day ... and they are protected by the rules. All they have to do is keep the gloves on and turtle and Lane is gone for a few weeks if he throws a punch. I don't think getting a heavyweight enforcer was the smartest approach. A tough middleweight would have been just fine as I think he'd find more takers. In the Atlantic Division ... I see only Worden as a willing combatant.
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Post by jimmy on Sept 16, 2008 9:08:06 GMT -4
Eagles going up to Southorn and getting the crap kicked out of himself is not going to help matters any ... If the team is going to bother carrying Lane, and dressing him ahead of better hockey players, IMO, he should be used accordingly ... he should have been on the ice waiting for Southorn when his penalty expired and made him face the music ... but he wasn't. If you aren't going to use Lane as an enforcer, then cut him ... and what better situation to use an enforcer than after one of your young players gets his bell rung with a cheapshot in a lopsided game no where near the puck? The only rationale I can see is if Lane would be facing an automatic suspension by going after Southorn due to the time and score of the game - in which case he can make it a point to take care of business with him next time the teams meet. Somehow I doubt Southorn is going to drop the gloves with Lane ... I don't think very many in the Q will. So if Lane lines up on the ice and tells Southorn he is coming at him ... Southorn doesn't drop his gloves and Lane starts wailing on him ... does that remind you of anything that happened in the playoffs last year ? Lane could be in line for 15 games if that scenario plays out. I'm not saying Lane is some monster to be feared in the line of Cormier or Tremblay of past years. Lane hasn't proven anything ... but at 6'8" and 245 there aren't many that will be interested in tangling with him ... his reach alone makes it a tough venture. Plus ... Lane isn't worth it since he has no value on the ice other than enforcement. Why would an elite Dman like Southorn waste his time with Lane ? Lane will find a few partners in guys like Worden and Bouchard ... thats all they can do also. But guys that play regularly and lay a big hit or a cheap hit aren't going to give Lane the time of day ... and they are protected by the rules. All they have to do is keep the gloves on and turtle and Lane is gone for a few weeks if he throws a punch. I don't think getting a heavyweight enforcer was the smartest approach. A tough middleweight would have been just fine as I think he'd find more takers. In the Atlantic Division ... I see only Worden as a willing combatant. I agree with you totally - I think Lane is a wasted roster spot for the reasons you describe ... I would prefer we dress Bissonette/Tremblay/Roski more often and simply get rid of him. But if the coaching staff insists on dressing him, then use him accordingly ... I am not suggesting that he necessarily beat the tar out of Southorn while Southorn turtles on the ice ... but I would definitely, in an 8-2 game, have him on the ice regularly from that point on, especially when Southorn is on, and have him getting in Southorn's face to intimidate him - and maybe Southorn will either lose his cool or decide to defend his own honour and oblige Lane with a scrap. My point is, if you are not going to turn him loose in that situation, when will you let him loose? If we are just keeping him to have a sideshow bout with Worden of Bouchard a handful of times per year, why bother? Just cut him, and then Worden and Bouchard will be useless when they play the Cats. Boyle, Brannon, Sill, Biduke, Lessard and Roski can handle the odd scrap between them ...
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Post by Hockeyguy24 on Sept 16, 2008 9:19:02 GMT -4
I really like Boyle as a Middleweight, I could see the rocket sending someoone to fight him at home this weekend because of his fight with the young Street,
Maybe a Southorn vs Boyle fight, with both trying to get redemtion for there team mate??
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 16, 2008 9:36:40 GMT -4
I really like Boyle as a Middleweight, I could see the rocket sending someoone to fight him at home this weekend because of his fight with the young Street, Maybe a Southorn vs Boyle fight, with both trying to get redemtion for there team mate?? Street chose to fight after he delivered a borderline hit ... Boyle challenged him but did not lay a hand on him until Street showed he was willing to fight. It wasn't much of a fight at that and Street was not pummelled by any means. Southorn threw a dirty elbow that gave Brown what is apparently a light concussion. If Southorn had challenged and fought Brown ... and beat him resulting in a concussion ... then no redemption is needed as Brown would have been a willing combatant. If Southorn fights anybody ... the Rocket lose what might be their only decent Dman ... and so he likely has a red light.
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Post by Hockeyguy24 on Sept 16, 2008 10:44:29 GMT -4
How can you say he didn't pummel him, he punched him twice and he went down, the only reason he didnt go down on the first punch was because Boyle had a hold of his jersey, on the Rocket board they say that Neids will be the one to fight Boyle. Any predictions.
Obviously noone on the Rocket is going to try Lane, i doubt Wright would even if he still was on the team
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 16, 2008 10:49:33 GMT -4
How can you say he didn't pummel him, he punched him twice and he went down, the only reason he didnt go down on the first punch was because Boyle had a hold of his jersey, on the Rocket board they say that Neids will be the one to fight Boyle. Any predictions. Obviously noone on the Rocket is going to try Lane, i doubt Wright would even if he still was on the team The replay I saw on the score board showed Boyle landing one punch ... to Street's armpit ... Street went down because he was out muscled only. Even if he did land two punches ... how is that a pummeling ?
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Post by Hockeyguy24 on Sept 16, 2008 10:52:36 GMT -4
I guess we will see what happens in Ch'town this weekend, I kinda doubt there will be any fights,
Great to see the rivalry get off to a great start!
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Post by J4M13 on Sept 16, 2008 18:00:32 GMT -4
This is slightly off topic, but along the same vein as the discussion here.
I'm a Sea Dogs fan, and I was surprised at how lightly Despres got off after leaving his feet "trying to avoid" Riopel behind the net on Saturday.
Questionable play by a terrific d-man, but where's the incentive to respect Riopel if all he takes os a glove in the face and 2 minutes of rest? I predict a lot of guys running over Wildcats unless word gets around the league that guys will have to answer for their actions...
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Post by Doublesnipers on Sept 16, 2008 18:49:50 GMT -4
This is slightly off topic, but along the same vein as the discussion here. I'm a Sea Dogs fan, and I was surprised at how lightly Despres got off after leaving his feet "trying to avoid" Riopel behind the net on Saturday. Questionable play by a terrific d-man, but where's the incentive to respect Riopel if all he takes os a glove in the face and 2 minutes of rest? I predict a lot of guys running over Wildcats unless word gets around the league that guys will have to answer for their actions... This has already been discussed a bit. We can thank the leagues new fighting rules for the fact no one attones for their actions anymore. We drop the gloves there and fight Despres and he doesn't, our guys looking at 15 game suspension while Despres still does his two minutes and goes about his way. Like its been said already, be prepared to see more cheap shots with no fear that anything will happen. They will get their minor penalty but no one will hunt them down cause it's too costly (up to or more than 15 games)
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Post by qfan on Sept 16, 2008 20:04:45 GMT -4
what a shame!!!
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Post by zambonidriver on Sept 17, 2008 17:11:59 GMT -4
So much for the Q reducing violence in the game. As I mentioned in an earlier post, looks like there are going to be lots of cheap shots with the rules protecting the guilty. As I was informed, there are penalties in place and have been for years. Big deal !! Now, instead of the fighting (and few injuries) we get the cheap shots with the more serious injuries. Good going.
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Post by elementz on Sept 17, 2008 19:01:20 GMT -4
With the Roy incident and the harsh suspension, I have a feeling this is going to open up the door where we will see this behaviour on a regular basis. Imagine the coach telling his players that if someone comes after you, don't defend yourself, just sit there and turtle.
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Post by J4M13 on Sept 19, 2008 8:18:11 GMT -4
This is slightly off topic, but along the same vein as the discussion here. I'm a Sea Dogs fan, and I was surprised at how lightly Despres got off after leaving his feet "trying to avoid" Riopel behind the net on Saturday. Questionable play by a terrific d-man, but where's the incentive to respect Riopel if all he takes os a glove in the face and 2 minutes of rest? I predict a lot of guys running over Wildcats unless word gets around the league that guys will have to answer for their actions... This has already been discussed a bit. We can thank the leagues new fighting rules for the fact no one attones for their actions anymore. We drop the gloves there and fight Despres and he doesn't, our guys looking at 15 game suspension while Despres still does his two minutes and goes about his way. Like its been said already, be prepared to see more cheap shots with no fear that anything will happen. They will get their minor penalty but no one will hunt them down cause it's too costly (up to or more than 15 games) But it's already a trend in Moncton. Given some of the talk about Jordan Lane's position on the team (fringe player, not-so-great skating, etc), why would it be a bad thing to send him after someone to test the league's commitment to the rules and the definitions of aggressor and instigator? For all we know, you'd have to commit aggravated assault in order to get the 15-gamer... I'm sure Jordan himself wouldn't want to be the guinea pig, but in my opinion, the situation called for a lot more retaliation than Despres got.
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