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Post by juniorcormier16 on Oct 5, 2008 22:27:42 GMT -4
I am a fan of either team but calling a minor in ot is just stupid unless it really effects the play. Tough break for moncton that's for sure.
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Post by Bev on Oct 5, 2008 23:16:13 GMT -4
I don't think I've ever left the rink that frustrated. The reffing was horrible and ruined any sort of flow of the game. Our PP had soooo many chances, as Score said, a full five minute PP in the first (which I think is when we really blew it) and a full two minutes of five-on-three. We were lucky though to come out of that game with a point.. as I thought Saint John was by far the better team on the ice. We didn't come out hard. I have to agree with you, there was ref calling the penalties and an other jerk with the stripe jersey just skating around with blinds on. Were do they get these refs? I really agree with you Catsfan, I have never been so frustrated coming out of a game. And Grants choking the chicken gesture after the winning goal in center ice was not really appreaciated. So which one was Hopkins? The one calling penalties or the jerk with the blinders?
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Post by tostitos on Oct 5, 2008 23:29:57 GMT -4
I am a fan of either team but calling a minor in ot is just stupid unless it really effects the play. Tough break for moncton that's for sure. no penatlies were called in ot...matt brown got one with under 2 minutes left.....and barberio got a delay of game when he tried to clear it..they just carried over
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 5, 2008 23:36:48 GMT -4
I am a fan of either team but calling a minor in ot is just stupid unless it really effects the play. Tough break for moncton that's for sure. no penatlies were called in ot...matt brown got one with under 2 minutes left.....and barberio got a delay of game when he tried to clear it..they just carried over You would think Barberio would learn, it's only like the 257th time he shoots it in the crowd.
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Post by forrest on Oct 6, 2008 7:37:58 GMT -4
I will agree the refs took the flow out of the game at some moments in the game, but anyway blaming the ref for the lost needs to learn about hockey a little. The calls were legit and you can only blame the players taking the penalties.
What about blaming Mayer for having such a great game, or what about thanking Riopel for, again, not letting in more than 2 goals in 3 periods and getting a point for us when the team doesn't manage to score.
Moncton had a lot of PP including a 5 min that included a full 2 min with a 2 man advantage. They couldn't score.
This was the first lost this season for Moncton and Riopel got the 2nd star. Put an average goalie in there or a guy like Blouin and the team is probably 4-4.
If Moncton is going to be considered a top contender, it needs a veteran defensman or Voynov as well as 2 top forwards.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 6, 2008 7:46:28 GMT -4
I will agree the refs took the flow out of the game at some moments in the game, but anyway blaming the ref for the lost needs to learn about hockey a little. The calls were legit and you can only blame the players taking the penalties. What about blaming Mayer for having such a great game, or what about thanking Riopel for, again, not letting in more than 2 goals in 3 periods and getting a point for us when the team doesn't manage to score. Moncton had a lot of PP including a 5 min that included a full 2 min with a 2 man advantage. They couldn't score. This was the first lost this season for Moncton and Riopel got the 2nd star. Put an average goalie in there or a guy like Blouin and the team is probably 4-4. If Moncton is going to be considered a top contender, it needs a veteran defensman or Voynov as well as 2 top forwards. Up front I think they may be fine once they get Sill MacAusland and Bidduke back, plus I think Famin will be a key PP guy with his shot once he gets the language and systems. Stevens had a pretty good game yesterday and Brown and MacAusland seem to be having somewhat of a break out, it would take quite an impact player to upgrade substantially on the top 3 lines. On defense I think there is a gap after Barberio and Savard. Gormley and Jodoin are playing like veterans but at some point the length of the season could wear on them. Dimitruk is doing pretty good but Boyle is not playing like what you need from a 19 year old, I'm sure Voynov would be a pretty sizeable upgrade on him.
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Post by habh8er on Oct 6, 2008 8:16:27 GMT -4
Missed the 3rd period, as I had to take my Son to practice. Checked the archives to see the ending.....good to see the Moncton video coverage is consistently bad. Didn't catch the OT goal as they had a nice overhead shot of Mayer standing in his crease at the other end.....stick with one view and use the extra angles for replays....that might work .
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Post by habh8er on Oct 6, 2008 8:21:58 GMT -4
There a class act when they scored and overtime goal it looked like a bunch of kids leaving the ice. Maybe because they ARE kids....teenagers are not Adults.....still just kids. Apparently some of the adults in the crowd were a bit childish too, but that's OK?
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Post by Penguins23® on Oct 6, 2008 9:15:20 GMT -4
I will agree the refs took the flow out of the game at some moments in the game, but anyway blaming the ref for the lost needs to learn about hockey a little. The calls were legit and you can only blame the players taking the penalties. Exactly. It's not like the refs were inventing penalties or being inconsistent. Right from the get go they were calling everything, it was the players' jobs to adjust, which neither team did. I would have much rathered watch a game of 5-5 but sometimes you're gonna have your special team battles like this one, but don't blame the refs for doing the job.
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Post by gongshow on Oct 6, 2008 9:24:06 GMT -4
Just to be curious I noticed a weird stat the other night against Shawinigan maybe somebody could clarify.
When Shawinigan got the 5minute PP on Roski's penalty friday the web scorer counted it as 3 pp's for Shawinigan ?But then last night when Howes took the 5 and Mctn got a 5minute PP the same web scorer didn't even count it as a single PP or maybe it counted as only one ?.....does anybody know what the correct way to score that would be ?I can't imagine it really counts as 3 PP's....I thought that it was more like if you scored 2goals on a 5min PP you would be considered 2 for 1 on the PP.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 6, 2008 10:14:08 GMT -4
Just to be curious I noticed a weird stat the other night against Shawinigan maybe somebody could clarify. When Shawinigan got the 5minute PP on Roski's penalty friday the web scorer counted it as 3 pp's for Shawinigan ?But then last night when Howes took the 5 and Mctn got a 5minute PP the same web scorer didn't even count it as a single PP or maybe it counted as only one ?.....does anybody know what the correct way to score that would be ?I can't imagine it really counts as 3 PP's....I thought that it was more like if you scored 2goals on a 5min PP you would be considered 2 for 1 on the PP. That Shaw/Mon game sheet only shows 4 occasions where Moncton was short-handed ... so not sure where they get 6 PPs for Shaw. I seem to recall more penalties than that against us ... is the game sheet accurate ? In that major for Roski ... if Shaw had taken a penalty in the middle of the major ... say 2:00 in ... then I think they'd get credited for two PPs ... one 2 mins long ... and then another 1:00 min after their penalty had expried. But that major was not interrupted so it should only count as one PP. Last night ... SJ took a major ... and then a minor within the major ... but it didn't change anything and so it all counts as just one PP ... or at least that is the way it was explained to me a year ago by one of the stats guys. A question that was raised to me last night ... SJ took their major ... and then took a minor within the major to make it a 5 on 3. If Moncton had scored within the timeframe of the minor ... would it go back to a 5 on 4 ... or stay a 5 on 3 ? My answer to that is ... I'm not sure ... but ...... I think it would remain a 5 on 3. Because ... the penalty that comes off the clock is the first one that put the team down a man ... which was the major. And since that can't come off the clock ... they stay at 5 on 3. Now there may be a wrinkle in the written rule that allows the second minor to come off the clock during a goal scored on a 5 on 3 when the first penalty was a major ... but I've never seen that situation before. Interesting question ... any officials out there know the correct procedure ? PP stats can be a bit misleading when you see a team go 1 for 8 on the PP. Some of those PP's may have only been a few seconds long as the other team can take a penalty only a few seconds into the PP ... nullifying the man advantage ... but a PP is credited. Is there a minimum duration for a PP to be counted ?
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Post by Sébastien on Oct 6, 2008 10:24:53 GMT -4
Just to be curious I noticed a weird stat the other night against Shawinigan maybe somebody could clarify. When Shawinigan got the 5minute PP on Roski's penalty friday the web scorer counted it as 3 pp's for Shawinigan ?But then last night when Howes took the 5 and Mctn got a 5minute PP the same web scorer didn't even count it as a single PP or maybe it counted as only one ?.....does anybody know what the correct way to score that would be ?I can't imagine it really counts as 3 PP's....I thought that it was more like if you scored 2goals on a 5min PP you would be considered 2 for 1 on the PP. That Shaw/Mon game sheet only shows 4 occasions where Moncton was short-handed ... so not sure where they get 6 PPs for Shaw. I seem to recall more penalties than that against us ... is the game sheet accurate ? In that major for Roski ... if Shaw had taken a penalty in the middle of the major ... say 2:00 in ... then I think they'd get credited for two PPs ... one 2 mins long ... and then another 1:00 min after their penalty had expried. But that major was not interrupted so it should only count as one PP. Last night ... SJ took a major ... and then a minor within the major ... but it didn't change anything and so it all counts as just one PP ... or at least that is the way it was explained to me a year ago by one of the stats guys. A question that was raised to me last night ... SJ took their major ... and then took a minor within the major to make it a 5 on 3. If Moncton had scored within the timeframe of the minor ... would it go back to a 5 on 4 ... or stay a 5 on 3 ? My answer to that is ... I'm not sure ... but ...... I think it would remain a 5 on 3. Because ... the penalty that comes off the clock is the first one that put the team down a man ... which was the major. And since that can't come off the clock ... they stay at 5 on 3. Now there may be a wrinkle in the written rule that allows the second minor to come off the clock during a goal scored on a 5 on 3 when the first penalty was a major ... but I've never seen that situation before. Interesting question ... any officials out there know the correct procedure ? PP stats can be a bit misleading when you see a team go 1 for 8 on the PP. Some of those PP's may have only been a few seconds long as the other team can take a penalty only a few seconds into the PP ... nullifying the man advantage ... but a PP is credited. Is there a minimum duration for a PP to be counted ? When it comes to minor penalties, you take off the penalty with the less time remaining on the clock. Hence, a 5 on 3 could technically remain a 5 on 3 if one of the players got a double-minor penalty. However, when there's a major, your skip over it and erase the minor with the less time remaining. So a 5 one 3 with a minor within a major will become a 5 on 4 if a goal is scored.
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Post by bikerboy on Oct 6, 2008 10:28:54 GMT -4
i will probelly open a hole new can of worms here but why is it wen a Dman or forward wen they go get the puck in the corner instead of doing a play , skating with the puck , they wait at the last second and turn there back to the play , yes you main focus is the puck you want to get the puck but they seam to forget that there is other pleople on the ice charging for that puck so what happens , he turn get hit from behind because de guy was going to check him and at the last second he turn around on him .
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 6, 2008 10:34:03 GMT -4
That Shaw/Mon game sheet only shows 4 occasions where Moncton was short-handed ... so not sure where they get 6 PPs for Shaw. I seem to recall more penalties than that against us ... is the game sheet accurate ? In that major for Roski ... if Shaw had taken a penalty in the middle of the major ... say 2:00 in ... then I think they'd get credited for two PPs ... one 2 mins long ... and then another 1:00 min after their penalty had expried. But that major was not interrupted so it should only count as one PP. Last night ... SJ took a major ... and then a minor within the major ... but it didn't change anything and so it all counts as just one PP ... or at least that is the way it was explained to me a year ago by one of the stats guys. A question that was raised to me last night ... SJ took their major ... and then took a minor within the major to make it a 5 on 3. If Moncton had scored within the timeframe of the minor ... would it go back to a 5 on 4 ... or stay a 5 on 3 ? My answer to that is ... I'm not sure ... but ...... I think it would remain a 5 on 3. Because ... the penalty that comes off the clock is the first one that put the team down a man ... which was the major. And since that can't come off the clock ... they stay at 5 on 3. Now there may be a wrinkle in the written rule that allows the second minor to come off the clock during a goal scored on a 5 on 3 when the first penalty was a major ... but I've never seen that situation before. Interesting question ... any officials out there know the correct procedure ? PP stats can be a bit misleading when you see a team go 1 for 8 on the PP. Some of those PP's may have only been a few seconds long as the other team can take a penalty only a few seconds into the PP ... nullifying the man advantage ... but a PP is credited. Is there a minimum duration for a PP to be counted ? When it comes to minor penalties, you take off the penalty with the less time remaining on the clock. Hence, a 5 on 3 could technically remain a 5 on 3 if one of the players got a double-minor penalty. However, when there's a major, your skip over it and erase the minor with the less time remaining. So a 5 one 3 with a minor within a major will become a 5 on 4 if a goal is scored. I'm not saying you are wrong ... but is that based on your opinion of how it works ... or from training that you have taken ? Your scenario still doesn't clear it up. If SJ takes their major and then a minor 4:00 into the major ... and we score with 30 sec left in the major ... but still 1:30 left in the minor ... by your interpretation it would remain a 5 on 3 since there would be less time left in the major. Unless you just worded it poorly. The way I was always taught by a level 3 official ... the penalty that comes off the clock is the first penalty that created the man-advantage. When it is two minors then it is pretty easy to see which one comes off ... but when it comes to major it is not so clear. I'd like to see something that is written documentation that clarifies the situation ... not just your opinion.
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Post by Sébastien on Oct 6, 2008 11:05:59 GMT -4
I'm not saying you are wrong ... but is that based on your opinion of how it works ... or from training that you have taken ? Your scenario still doesn't clear it up. If SJ takes their major and then a minor 4:00 into the major ... and we score with 30 sec left in the major ... but still 1:30 left in the minor ... by your interpretation it would remain a 5 on 3 since there would be less time left in the major. Unless you just worded it poorly. The way I was always taught by a level 3 official ... the penalty that comes off the clock is the first penalty that created the man-advantage. When it is two minors then it is pretty easy to see which one comes off ... but when it comes to major it is not so clear. I'd like to see something that is written documentation that clarifies the situation ... not just your opinion. Understandable, but just to clarify the situation, this isn't just my "opinion", that is what is taught to minor hockey referees in New-Brunswick. It's possible that QMJHL rules are different, but I doubt it. I'm checking the Q rule book, I'll get back to that.
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