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Post by SteveUL on Nov 2, 2008 14:20:31 GMT -4
I wouldn't say he barely beat O'Connor - it was a pretty one sided fight IMO ... I don't think O'Connor landed anything as Lane was holding him out of reach ... Lane threw more punches and landed at least a couple of solid ones, he chucked about a half dozen in a row into the body, but I don't think most of them landed ... Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Lane killed him and left him in a bloody heap or anything, but if you were scoring on points, it would go down as a lop-sided win for Lane. I watched it on the archive... for the first half, O'Conner was actually the aggressor, Lane almost looked to be in trouble against the glass. Then they had the stare down... Lane did most of the throwing but not landing... the crowd reacted to a couple big punches but it certainly didnt look like O'Conner got tagged with anything in the face (maybe helmet as he dodged them).... Both guys ended just standing there trying to reach eachother, no harm to either guy. I dont know if thats "one sided", both guys were fine, grappled, and the bigger guy was busier throwing but not landing... I'd give the edge to Lane for being busy but no damage done in the fight, however at 6'8 and on the team to be a 4th line goon, it was hardly a good showing against a guy who maybe has 5 career fights? O'connor is one of your regular Dmen ... wearing an A even. Having our 4th line goon take him off the ice for 5:00 is a good move by Lane. Plus ... the fans like fighting and so having Lane fight at home is good for attendance. There is no problem in Moncton having Lane on th eteam ... none whatsoever. And for the people that say you can't fight anymore in the Q ... nobody got suspended ... nobody got tossed ... nobody got an aggressor ... just two guys that wanted to fight.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 2, 2008 14:22:47 GMT -4
I watched it on the archive... for the first half, O'Conner was actually the aggressor, Lane almost looked to be in trouble against the glass. Then they had the stare down... Lane did most of the throwing but not landing... the crowd reacted to a couple big punches but it certainly didnt look like O'Conner got tagged with anything in the face (maybe helmet as he dodged them).... Both guys ended just standing there trying to reach eachother, no harm to either guy. I dont know if thats "one sided", both guys were fine, grappled, and the bigger guy was busier throwing but not landing... I'd give the edge to Lane for being busy but no damage done in the fight, however at 6'8 and on the team to be a 4th line goon, it was hardly a good showing against a guy who maybe has 5 career fights? O'connor is one of your regular Dmen ... wearing an A even. Having our 4th line goon take him off the ice for 5:00 is a good move by Lane. Plus ... the fans like fighting and so having Lane fight at home is good for attendance. There is no problem in Moncton having Lane on th eteam ... none whatsoever. And for the people that say you can't fight anymore in the Q ... nobody got suspended ... nobody got tossed ... nobody got an aggressor ... just two guys that wanted to fight. I agree... as soon as that happened I thought "thats a good tradeoff for Moncton"... but having just gone down 4-1, O'Conner tried to fire up the team and took on the heavyweight and did pretty well for himself... and the moose scored right after. It was win-win for both teams I guess
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 2, 2008 14:26:02 GMT -4
I didn't ask you to stop posting ... I asked you a question ... requiring additional posting from you ... did you miss that part ? What harm is there having Lane on our team ? (requires an answer ... not an evasive response) He barely beat Gab O'Connor...so my point was who exactly is this guy intimidating?? I dont really care that much, i was on last night and this thread was getting some replies so I posted. He isnt hurting anyones development by being on the team, but i just get a kick out of everyone saying he provides so much intimidation... And then billy cited Thomas as 'running away' from him...when billy should know that other factors play into it. Like perhaps the score of the game, or maybe JB said no fights...but hey billy has only been watching hockey for what? 20 years or so? He took your regular Dman and Assistant captain off the ice for 5:00 ... that makes it worthwhile. We have a disposable guy that is willing to fight anybody ... is O'Connor disposable ? Thomas is quiet when he plays Moncton ... he isn't running around trying to take anybody's head off.
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Post by lalalaprise on Nov 2, 2008 14:28:42 GMT -4
He barely beat Gab O'Connor...so my point was who exactly is this guy intimidating?? I dont really care that much, i was on last night and this thread was getting some replies so I posted. He isnt hurting anyones development by being on the team, but i just get a kick out of everyone saying he provides so much intimidation... And then billy cited Thomas as 'running away' from him...when billy should know that other factors play into it. Like perhaps the score of the game, or maybe JB said no fights...but hey billy has only been watching hockey for what? 20 years or so? He took your regular Dman and Assistant captain off the ice for 5:00 ... that makes it worthwhile. We have a disposable guy that is willing to fight anybody ... is O'Connor disposable ? Thomas is quiet when he plays Moncton ... he isn't running around trying to take anybody's head off. Thomas didnt try anything against Halifax either, he was actually one of the more well-behaved Sea Dogs...so I guess O'Connor fighting prowess kept him in check Your first point is somewhat valid...the score was 4-1, Halifax needed a spark. If the game was 3-3 I dont think you would seen O'Connor fight Lane, as Lane likely wouldnt have been on the ice.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 2, 2008 14:29:47 GMT -4
He barely beat Gab O'Connor...so my point was who exactly is this guy intimidating?? I dont really care that much, i was on last night and this thread was getting some replies so I posted. He isnt hurting anyones development by being on the team, but i just get a kick out of everyone saying he provides so much intimidation... And then billy cited Thomas as 'running away' from him...when billy should know that other factors play into it. Like perhaps the score of the game, or maybe JB said no fights...but hey billy has only been watching hockey for what? 20 years or so? He took your regular Dman and Assistant captain off the ice for 5:00 ... that makes it worthwhile. We have a disposable guy that is willing to fight anybody ... is O'Connor disposable ? Thomas is quiet when he plays Moncton ... he isn't running around trying to take anybody's head off. billy also told us when we had Cormier that nobody is "scared" of Cormier, tough guys arent scared of eachother... how having guys like Spencer run away from him was a good strategy. Now you have a 4th line fighting presence, and you all like what having him in the lineup gives you, despite the lack of skill and icetime.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 2, 2008 14:30:04 GMT -4
O'connor is one of your regular Dmen ... wearing an A even. Having our 4th line goon take him off the ice for 5:00 is a good move by Lane. Plus ... the fans like fighting and so having Lane fight at home is good for attendance. There is no problem in Moncton having Lane on th eteam ... none whatsoever. And for the people that say you can't fight anymore in the Q ... nobody got suspended ... nobody got tossed ... nobody got an aggressor ... just two guys that wanted to fight. I agree... as soon as that happened I thought "thats a good tradeoff for Moncton"... but having just gone down 4-1, O'Conner tried to fire up the team and took on the heavyweight and did pretty well for himself... and the moose scored right after. It was win-win for both teams I guess I agree that is why O'Connor did it ... it wasn't like Lane was being a pain to anybody ... it was all about trying to spark his team. But O'Connor risked being hurt ... tossed ... suspended ... and being a regular that is a bigger risk for O'Connor. If Lane gets hurt/tossed/suspended we don't lose anything ... and thats why he is useful ... he is disposable ... O'Connor is not. Lane is also good for attendance.
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Post by lalalaprise on Nov 2, 2008 14:31:35 GMT -4
I agree... as soon as that happened I thought "thats a good tradeoff for Moncton"... but having just gone down 4-1, O'Conner tried to fire up the team and took on the heavyweight and did pretty well for himself... and the moose scored right after. It was win-win for both teams I guess Lane is also good for attendance. Isnt your average quite low considering you havent lost in regulation yet?
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 2, 2008 14:32:34 GMT -4
Lane is also good for attendance. Isnt your average quite low considering you havent lost in regulation yet? Our average is up from last year for the same time period ... is that not ok ?
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Post by lalalaprise on Nov 2, 2008 14:34:05 GMT -4
Isnt your average quite low considering you havent lost in regulation yet? Our average is up from last year for the same time period ... is that not ok ? It must all be Lane....it couldn't be any other reason right? Its not like you aren't undefeated or anything.
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Post by canbeer on Nov 2, 2008 14:45:01 GMT -4
I agree... as soon as that happened I thought "thats a good tradeoff for Moncton"... but having just gone down 4-1, O'Conner tried to fire up the team and took on the heavyweight and did pretty well for himself... and the moose scored right after. It was win-win for both teams I guess I agree that is why O'Connor did it ... it wasn't like Lane was being a pain to anybody ... it was all about trying to spark his team. But O'Connor risked being hurt ... tossed ... suspended ... and being a regular that is a bigger risk for O'Connor. If Lane gets hurt/tossed/suspended we don't lose anything ... and thats why he is useful ... he is disposable ... O'Connor is not. Lane is also good for attendance. So anyone that brings anything more than toughness shouldn't fight. O'Connor is a leader and tried to get the Moose fired up and back in the game and it seemed to work. He's not a big scorer or anything so it wasn't like he was going to lead a comeback in that fashion. And in the last two weeks the Moose have had the Baie Comeau game and the Saint John game where it seemed like the tough side of the game was a real bright spot for firing the team up and leading to wins.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 2, 2008 14:49:57 GMT -4
Our average is up from last year for the same time period ... is that not ok ? It must all be Lane....it couldn't be any other reason right? Its not like you aren't undefeated or anything. No it is a number of factors ... I wasn't suggesting it was all Lane ... but having an enforcer does bring in some people. Some poeple just come for the fights ... not having an enforcer keeps those types away. You commented that our attendance was lacking but we've always been one of the top teams in the Q attendance wise. Our attendance avg is up from last year at this time. So based on what do you say we are lacking ? We aren't Halifax or Quebec City here. Are you just taking shots at us for the sake of taking shots at us ? Or do you really see problems on our team ?
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 2, 2008 14:52:04 GMT -4
I agree that is why O'Connor did it ... it wasn't like Lane was being a pain to anybody ... it was all about trying to spark his team. But O'Connor risked being hurt ... tossed ... suspended ... and being a regular that is a bigger risk for O'Connor. If Lane gets hurt/tossed/suspended we don't lose anything ... and thats why he is useful ... he is disposable ... O'Connor is not. Lane is also good for attendance. So anyone that brings anything more than toughness shouldn't fight. O'Connor is a leader and tried to get the Moose fired up and back in the game and it seemed to work. He's not a big scorer or anything so it wasn't like he was going to lead a comeback in that fashion. And in the last two weeks the Moose have had the Baie Comeau game and the Saint John game where it seemed like the tough side of the game was a real bright spot for firing the team up and leading to wins. Not at all ... I commend O'Connor for trying to spark his team ... I like kids that play the game that way. But that does come with risks. Having a disposable guy for that role is a better solution. That is why we have Lane.
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Post by freddy on Nov 2, 2008 14:52:26 GMT -4
We are happy the boys are standing up and hope they do so today too..Noway should they not try to win by fighting their way through these times too.Go Moose Go!!!
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Post by goon on Nov 2, 2008 21:02:08 GMT -4
I agree... as soon as that happened I thought "thats a good tradeoff for Moncton"... but having just gone down 4-1, O'Conner tried to fire up the team and took on the heavyweight and did pretty well for himself... and the moose scored right after. It was win-win for both teams I guess I agree that is why O'Connor did it ... it wasn't like Lane was being a pain to anybody ... it was all about trying to spark his team. But O'Connor risked being hurt ... tossed ... suspended ... and being a regular that is a bigger risk for O'Connor. If Lane gets hurt/tossed/suspended we don't lose anything ... and thats why he is useful ... he is disposable ... O'Connor is not. Lane is also good for attendance. How is Lane good for attendance? If you asked 100 people in Moncton who Lane was, maybe 1 would know who he was and that 1 person is likely already a Wildcat season ticket holder.
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Post by jonjon on Nov 3, 2008 6:36:59 GMT -4
Years ago, a friend of mine played novice hockey on the same team as his sister. His parents put a little thing together where everytime one of them scored a goal, they got a loonie. Eventually, my friend was outscoring his sister like crazy and the sister wasn't getting any money so it wasn't fair. The parents changed the rules so that my friend still got the loonie everytime he scored, but the sister got a loonie everytime she touched the puck. True story. My point is that Flynn should do something like this. Everytime a member of the Cats scores, they get a treat, while everytime Lane touches the puck, he gets said treat. Perhaps we should sticky this stat and keep track. ...He's a bum, send him home.
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