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Post by bjindaho on Dec 16, 2008 14:03:25 GMT -4
Sorry, that's 16 that have played a game for them, O'Sullivan has only played for LA as well...18 that have played a game...
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Post by bois on Dec 16, 2008 14:07:45 GMT -4
You realize that this is the team that drafted Thelen 12th overall and Benoit Pouliot 4th overall...their scouting is suspect at best... Their second rounders going backwards are: Scandella, Ondrej Fiala, Matt Kassian, Roman Voloshenko, Patrick O'Sullivan, Josh Harding, Kyle Wanvig, and Nick Schultz... Shultz (00) has 470 GP and 78 points (offensive d-man), Wanvig (01) has played 75 games with 15 points and 94 PIM, Harding (02) has played 42 games, with great stats (though he's behind Backstrom), O'Sullivan (03) is starting to come around with 85 points in 147 GP, and none of the rest of those guys have played a game in the show yet... www.hockey-reference.com/teams/MIN/draft.htmlwow that's a completely irrelevant point now tell us how Tampa Bay's draft picks are working out for them lately you also realize there is probably no team in the NHL (maybe NJ) that prides themselves as much on DEFENSIVE play than Minnesota right? and for the record... the one time VD was in here this year (that being PEI).. Scandella was very noticeable...... but I already admitted that actually means nothing either it will be several years before people can reasonably compare Barberio and Scandella's careers and see who should have been picked ahead of whom remember this is the same board that went on ad nauseum about how great a dman Saunders was ... and well I bet Anaheim or Boston or whomever wasted a pick on him wished they had that one back
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Post by bois on Dec 16, 2008 14:15:33 GMT -4
Sorry, that's 16 that have played a game for them, O'Sullivan has only played for LA as well...18 that have played a game... do some research before posting complete bullshit this year alone they have 14 drafted players that have played a game for them Mikko Koivu, PM Bouchard, Brent Burns, Benoit Pouliot, James Sheppard, Colton Gillies, Derek Boogard, Cal Clutterbuck, Stephane Veilleux, Nick Schultz, Marian Gaborik, Erik Reitz, Josh harding and Nik Backstrom
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 16, 2008 15:13:42 GMT -4
Some of you need a reality check. First of all, where a player was drafted should not have a direct impact to him being invited or not to play for Team Canada. NHL teams draft players to get the ones that will be the best at 23-28 not at 18 or 19, plus it's not an exact science.
I have seen Scandella play 3-4 times this year and Barberio a bunch of times. There is no comparision in terms of who is the better player right now in the QMJHL. Barberio plays a ton of minutes and is a key piece for the Cats at both ends of the ice. You could give Scandella a slight edge in physical game but he is no Bourdon.
This is not a homer post and I'm not suggesting he belongs on the final squad, but he AT MINIMUM deserved a chance to play in the two Q vs Russia games ahead of about 5-6 guys that got invited like Gormley Despres Scandella Brodeur etc
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Post by bjindaho on Dec 16, 2008 16:09:47 GMT -4
Sorry, that's 16 that have played a game for them, O'Sullivan has only played for LA as well...18 that have played a game... do some research before posting complete bullshit this year alone they have 14 drafted players that have played a game for them Mikko Koivu, PM Bouchard, Brent Burns, Benoit Pouliot, James Sheppard, Colton Gillies, Derek Boogard, Cal Clutterbuck, Stephane Veilleux, Nick Schultz, Marian Gaborik, Erik Reitz, Josh harding and Nik Backstrom Maybe you should heed your own advice...my stats didn't include Gillies because the site doesn't have 08-09 stats...but Backstrom was NEVER drafted by Minnesota... and the 13 you posted just happen to be 13 of the 19 (including Gillies who have played a game)
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Post by bjindaho on Dec 16, 2008 16:12:41 GMT -4
You realize that this is the team that drafted Thelen 12th overall and Benoit Pouliot 4th overall...their scouting is suspect at best... Their second rounders going backwards are: Scandella, Ondrej Fiala, Matt Kassian, Roman Voloshenko, Patrick O'Sullivan, Josh Harding, Kyle Wanvig, and Nick Schultz... Shultz (00) has 470 GP and 78 points (offensive d-man), Wanvig (01) has played 75 games with 15 points and 94 PIM, Harding (02) has played 42 games, with great stats (though he's behind Backstrom), O'Sullivan (03) is starting to come around with 85 points in 147 GP, and none of the rest of those guys have played a game in the show yet... www.hockey-reference.com/teams/MIN/draft.htmlwow that's a completely irrelevant point now tell us how Tampa Bay's draft picks are working out for them lately you also realize there is probably no team in the NHL (maybe NJ) that prides themselves as much on DEFENSIVE play than Minnesota right? and for the record... the one time VD was in here this year (that being PEI).. Scandella was very noticeable...... but I already admitted that actually means nothing either it will be several years before people can reasonably compare Barberio and Scandella's careers and see who should have been picked ahead of whom remember this is the same board that went on ad nauseum about how great a dman Saunders was ... and well I bet Anaheim or Boston or whomever wasted a pick on him wished they had that one back It is in no way an irrelevant point that Scandella's high draft pick happened to have been made by a team that sucks at drafting...pointing out another team that sucks at drafting has nothing to do with Minnesota's draft record...but Hockey Canada seems to care about draft position more than actual skill (hence Sauve being there over Barberio for example)... And their 2004 draft where no one has made the NHL, they made 8 top 5 round picks and drafted in every round up to 7
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Post by bois on Dec 16, 2008 16:45:57 GMT -4
a team compiled of almost entirely their own draft picks is not what i'd call a team that sucks at drafting
you're right on Backstrom.. my bad he was a free agent signee never drafted at all
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 16, 2008 16:55:56 GMT -4
a team compiled of almost entirely their own draft picks is not what i'd call a team that sucks at drafting you're right on Backstrom.. my bad he was a free agent signee never drafted at all You can't really use that as a measuring stick. A team could have a team full of draft pick but most are fringe NHLers, or you could have very few picks but with players you added by trading good picks.
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Post by bois on Dec 17, 2008 9:51:57 GMT -4
a team compiled of almost entirely their own draft picks is not what i'd call a team that sucks at drafting you're right on Backstrom.. my bad he was a free agent signee never drafted at all You can't really use that as a measuring stick. A team could have a team full of draft pick but most are fringe NHLers, or you could have very few picks but with players you added by trading good picks. Sure you can for the record I despise Minnesota.... everything about them but they have been the most successful of the last expansion clubs and they also have been the team with the least amount of personnel turnover they can't be that bad at drafting but none of this really matters to this discussion does it?
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Post by oilers4ever on Dec 17, 2008 10:52:21 GMT -4
Does the organizers for Team Canada have a say in who is chosen for the Q-russia games or is it all the Q's choice?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 17, 2008 11:00:58 GMT -4
Does the organizers for Team Canada have a say in who is chosen for the Q-russia games or is it all the Q's choice? It's chosen by Hockey Canada.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 17, 2008 11:20:27 GMT -4
Does the organizers for Team Canada have a say in who is chosen for the Q-russia games or is it all the Q's choice? It's chosen by Hockey Canada. And so they load it up with young players and leave better players off the roster ... hoping the Q will lose a game or two ... so they can justify taking less Q players for the U-18 and U-20 teams.
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Post by MikeC on Dec 17, 2008 11:22:48 GMT -4
Does the organizers for Team Canada have a say in who is chosen for the Q-russia games or is it all the Q's choice? It's chosen by Hockey Canada. Not according to Hockey Canada: From yesterday's TJ: Murray (Al Murray, Head Scout for Hockey Canada) was polite, professional and courteous and wanted to make a point a few of weeks ago when he called to comment on a column that suggested Saint John Sea Dog Michael Kirkpatrick should have been considered when it came to replacing the injured Chris DiDomenico on the roster for the Canada/Russia ADT Challenge at Harbour Station.
We suggested that Kirkpatrick was not on the Hockey Canada radar because he hadn't been identified by its scouts and therefore they wouldn't look too good if he slipped through the cracks and was named to the team.
Not so, says Murray.
Murray pointed out that the rosters for the ADT Challenge, which saw the Russians face off against a team of Quebec Major Junior Hockey League all-stars in two games, were finalized with the help of general managers from around the QMJHL.
"We have a conference call with the GMs and myself, and they put forward names they'd like to see. Some leagues reward 19-year-olds and others like to put names of young players up."
Hockey Canada does have a core that it wants to see in the games but that number is usually only about 10. The rest, Murray says, is up to the league. It has nothing to do with whether they've been identified by Hockey Canada.
"We didn't see him as a viable candidate for the world juniors at this time," Murray said matter-of-factly.
When Di Domenico was injured, teammate Steven Anthony replaced him.
"These teams are chosen for the now," said Murray, who has seen all 60 major junior teams in the country play at least once this season.
"The late bloomer is always eligible to come in," he said. "It's for the immediate. We want the best players right now at this time. We don't want kids feeling that because they're not part of the [Hockey Canada] program, they have no chance. That's totally false."
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Post by goon on Dec 17, 2008 11:30:49 GMT -4
So add the QMJHL GM's to the NHL GM's and Hockey Canada that don't seem to think Barberio can exceed at an elite level. We all know they are wrong, largest conspiracy of all time!
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 17, 2008 11:33:59 GMT -4
So add the QMJHL GM's to the NHL GM's and Hockey Canada that don't seem to think Barberio can exceed at an elite level. We all know they are wrong, largest conspiracy of all time! And Riopel.
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