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Post by goon on Dec 18, 2008 16:49:55 GMT -4
I don't know what to think of Riopel. I think he likely may have been screwed over, but than again I don't. I've seen him play many times and his stats are outstanding, but I never get that feeling he is an elite goalie like i did with the likes of Fleury, Luongo, Pavlec, Bernier, and Halak. Part of this is likely he's not as flashy as them, but the other part is he's a positional goalie playing in a good defensive system. I just get the feeling that if he took his game to the next level he would get exposed. When the teams started moving the pucks around like they can at the AHL/NHL level, I just don't know if he could keep up to that. He rarely makes those " I can't believe he just stopped that" type of saves. Either way, it would have been nice to see him get a tryout at that level to see if he's a a good goalie made to be a great goalie as a product of a system, or truly an elite goalie. Two other CHL goalies played the same way in junior, Corey Crawford and Carey Price. I think they turned out okay. Corey Crawford career isn't going so well. He's 24/25 years old now and he's slipped to fourth on the depth chart for the Chicago Blackhawks and is now backing up Antti Niemi (Chicago's goalie of the future) in Rockford. I'd like to see him succeed, but it's not a good example for your argument. The only thing Riopel and Price have in common is that they both play a positional game, but Price's athletism his way above Riopel's which is why one was an elite prospect that suited up for team Canada and the other one isn't.
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Post by goon on Dec 18, 2008 16:55:46 GMT -4
I don't know if they did or didn't, but I can see the posibility that could have happend and also see why it would have happened (create some buzz for the team). If the GM's of the Q had a say in this, I can't see for the life of me how Gormley was included over Barberio/Riopel unless their team was pushing for it. On a side note, I don't think either 1 of the 3 would have made it. Why would pushing Gormley create more buzz than pushing the top goalie in the Q? It makes no sense. By pushing Barberio and Riopel they'd have just as much publicity. I seriously doubt that the Wildcats would insult their best players. I would be out of character for them. I think you're more than way off base with that SPECULATION. And I'm not even a Wildcat fan. (I was hoping for a CB regulation time win last night but not for any reason that the average fan would think of) Because Gormley is the face of the franchise for years to come. Barberio and Riopel are gone in a year. A future first round draft pick will create a hell of a lot more buzz than an undrafted player and one drafted so low most people couldn't even tell you what team picked him. If it's true that the GM's had a say, can you think of any other reason why Gormley was there and Riopel/Barberio weren't? It's true that is purely speculation on my part, but it's not way off base. There's very few other logical reasons other than the cats were pushing Gormley if the Q GM's legitimately had a say.
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Post by catnut on Dec 18, 2008 18:29:44 GMT -4
Two other CHL goalies played the same way in junior, Corey Crawford and Carey Price. I think they turned out okay. Corey Crawford career isn't going so well. He's 24/25 years old now and he's slipped to fourth on the depth chart for the Chicago Blackhawks and is now backing up Antti Niemi (Chicago's goalie of the future) in Rockford. I'd like to see him succeed, but it's not a good example for your argument. The only thing Riopel and Price have in common is that they both play a positional game, but Price's athletism his way above Riopel's which is why one was an elite prospect that suited up for team Canada and the other one isn't. Then why was Crawford and not Niemi called up two weeks ago when Khabibulin got injured?
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Post by jimmy on Dec 18, 2008 19:23:32 GMT -4
Two other CHL goalies played the same way in junior, Corey Crawford and Carey Price. I think they turned out okay. Corey Crawford career isn't going so well. He's 24/25 years old now and he's slipped to fourth on the depth chart for the Chicago Blackhawks and is now backing up Antti Niemi (Chicago's goalie of the future) in Rockford. I'd like to see him succeed, but it's not a good example for your argument. The only thing Riopel and Price have in common is that they both play a positional game, but Price's athletism his way above Riopel's which is why one was an elite prospect that suited up for team Canada and the other one isn't. Isn't Price huge, like 6'4" or something ... that is a pretty major difference between he and Rio with regards to pro potential as well.
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Post by goon on Dec 18, 2008 19:48:56 GMT -4
Corey Crawford career isn't going so well. He's 24/25 years old now and he's slipped to fourth on the depth chart for the Chicago Blackhawks and is now backing up Antti Niemi (Chicago's goalie of the future) in Rockford. I'd like to see him succeed, but it's not a good example for your argument. The only thing Riopel and Price have in common is that they both play a positional game, but Price's athletism his way above Riopel's which is why one was an elite prospect that suited up for team Canada and the other one isn't. Then why was Crawford and not Niemi called up two weeks ago when Khabibulin got injured? Probably because Crawford is much cheaper as Niemi is signed as a free agent. Salary cap moves play a huge part in who gets called up now days. Crawford makes 600 K at the NHL Level while Niemi makes 1.5 M
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Post by goon on Dec 18, 2008 19:51:22 GMT -4
Corey Crawford career isn't going so well. He's 24/25 years old now and he's slipped to fourth on the depth chart for the Chicago Blackhawks and is now backing up Antti Niemi (Chicago's goalie of the future) in Rockford. I'd like to see him succeed, but it's not a good example for your argument. The only thing Riopel and Price have in common is that they both play a positional game, but Price's athletism his way above Riopel's which is why one was an elite prospect that suited up for team Canada and the other one isn't. Isn't Price huge, like 6'4" or something ... that is a pretty major difference between he and Rio with regards to pro potential as well. Yup.
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Post by mikeb on Dec 19, 2008 8:43:27 GMT -4
Two other CHL goalies played the same way in junior, Corey Crawford and Carey Price. I think they turned out okay. Corey Crawford career isn't going so well. He's 24/25 years old now and he's slipped to fourth on the depth chart for the Chicago Blackhawks and is now backing up Antti Niemi (Chicago's goalie of the future) in Rockford. I'd like to see him succeed, but it's not a good example for your argument. The only thing Riopel and Price have in common is that they both play a positional game, but Price's athletism his way above Riopel's which is why one was an elite prospect that suited up for team Canada and the other one isn't. Crawford had a great CHL career. And Price is more positional than athletic. He had to lose about 20lbs this year to get more mobility.
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Post by mikeb on Dec 19, 2008 8:58:20 GMT -4
Why would pushing Gormley create more buzz than pushing the top goalie in the Q? It makes no sense. By pushing Barberio and Riopel they'd have just as much publicity. I seriously doubt that the Wildcats would insult their best players. I would be out of character for them. I think you're more than way off base with that SPECULATION. And I'm not even a Wildcat fan. (I was hoping for a CB regulation time win last night but not for any reason that the average fan would think of) Because Gormley is the face of the franchise for years to come. Barberio and Riopel are gone in a year. A future first round draft pick will create a hell of a lot more buzz than an undrafted player and one drafted so low most people couldn't even tell you what team picked him. If it's true that the GM's had a say, can you think of any other reason why Gormley was there and Riopel/Barberio weren't? It's true that is purely speculation on my part, but it's not way off base. There's very few other logical reasons other than the cats were pushing Gormley if the Q GM's legitimately had a say. So Moncton fans don't know who Barberio nor Riopel are? Who is the buzz for? For people in Gatineau who won't attend a Wildcat game ever? With the results they have so far this year and the talent they will have coming back next year, they won't be hurting for "buzz" next year. And next August, the casual fans that the team will be trying to attract won't even remember the ADT games. The people who do remember the ADT games will be hardcore fans who will show up no matter what. If the "buzz" is to attact the casual fans this year, then the "surprising start" by the Cats and the play of the team is probably the bigger story. Riopel winning so many Defensive player of the week awards is a bigger story than Gormley this year. That's what any decent PR guy will play up the most, the guy that's already making news. The team can promote Gormley over the next 4 years. It's not like they have to go all out this year because there won't be an opportunity next year and the year after and the year after. If Hockey Canada said they want to see Gormley, then nothing the GMs said would have mattered. There is just as much chance it was a Hockey Canada decision than is was a Q league decision. Your basing your position on unfounded speculation that makes little sense. Next you'll be saying it's because he's so cute and the GMs thought that would bring more teenyboppers to the game.
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Post by morecowbell on Dec 19, 2008 16:32:49 GMT -4
Gormley has a legitimate shot at representing Canada at the World Juniors in the future...Riopel, Barberio will not. Why is it hard to believe that Hockey Canada says who they want to see in the game and that is what roster selection is based on. If that is not the criteria then there is no logical reason for Riopel not to be an automatic at Goalie for the ADT games.
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Post by MikeC on Dec 20, 2008 1:20:23 GMT -4
Gormley has a legitimate shot at representing Canada at the World Juniors in the future...Riopel, Barberio will not. Why is it hard to believe that Hockey Canada says who they want to see in the game and that is what roster selection is based on. If that is not the criteria then there is no logical reason for Riopel not to be an automatic at Goalie for the ADT games. Because Hockey Canada themselves said that is NOT how the roster is selected. Read back 2 pages.
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Post by morecowbell on Dec 20, 2008 8:54:10 GMT -4
Gormley has a legitimate shot at representing Canada at the World Juniors in the future...Riopel, Barberio will not. Why is it hard to believe that Hockey Canada says who they want to see in the game and that is what roster selection is based on. If that is not the criteria then there is no logical reason for Riopel not to be an automatic at Goalie for the ADT games. Because Hockey Canada themselves said that is NOT how the roster is selected. Read back 2 pages. I know you are not gullible enough to believe that...
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Post by MikeC on Dec 20, 2008 11:46:30 GMT -4
Because Hockey Canada themselves said that is NOT how the roster is selected. Read back 2 pages. I know you are not gullible enough to believe that... He has no reason to lie. And he gave a pretty candid answer as to why Kirkpatrick wasn't on their list.
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Post by goon on Dec 20, 2008 18:07:57 GMT -4
DiDo looked like garbage last night. Well out of his league. Can't understand how he made this team.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2008 8:11:38 GMT -4
Team Canada forward Dana Tyrell will miss the remainder of the tournament with a knee injury suffered in the pre-tournament game against Sweden Friday night. Tough break for the kid considering he failed to make last year's team due to an injury as well.
17 year old Evander Kane will get a second chance with the team and should be in the line up for the game tonight against Finland.
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