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Post by Steve on Nov 3, 2009 21:05:25 GMT -4
When I look at the records of great Junior coaches like Brian Kilrea, Don Hay, Ted Nolan, Tom Renney what do they have in common..they ran the show completely, all players in the system were their call. This is the first year we have this since Clem ran the show in the beginning, (Yes I know Mongain was GM/Coach but really he was the one who started trading picks for pluggers, Marcel stayed the course...with good and bad results).
I'm not saying that Cam Russell is a Brian Kilrea, Cam cant put skates on and play the games for the kids, he can be rah rah all he wants but if they come out flat there isn't much he can do except bench players. I'm not defending Cam, but then again, I don't go to practices and have no idea what his teaching style is. I'm willing to give him the season and into next to right the ship.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2009 22:02:12 GMT -4
When I look at the records of great Junior coaches like Brian Kilrea, Don Hay, Ted Nolan, Tom Renney what do they have in common..they ran the show completely, all players in the system were their call. This is the first year we have this since Clem ran the show in the beginning, (Yes I know Mongain was GM/Coach but really he was the one who started trading picks for pluggers, Marcel stayed the course...with good and bad results). I'm not saying that Cam Russell is a Brian Kilrea, Cam cant put skates on and play the games for the kids, he can be rah rah all he wants but if they come out flat there isn't much he can do except bench players. I'm not defending Cam, but then again, I don't go to practices and have no idea what his teaching style is. I'm willing to give him the season and into next to right the ship. That is sort of my take on it too Peanut. I really think this team has played well enough to have more then one win. Is coaching the diference, I don't know. It might be and that question has to be asked, I was not happy with the last 2 games amd I hope this is not a trend. I hope Bobby is askin the same questions.
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Post by freddy on Nov 4, 2009 8:01:05 GMT -4
I too was not happy with the last couple of games but with flu,losses,and still with too many bodies the players may have beeen down but that has not been the way it has been this season..It looks to me that they are learning hard work will pay in future..I really want to see the guys improve and after Saint John game tonight they will have five games from November 6th to November 14th ..I would love to see three wins there..Boy that would change some atitudes around here...
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Post by Qfan69 on Nov 4, 2009 10:01:56 GMT -4
When I look at the records of great Junior coaches like Brian Kilrea, Don Hay, Ted Nolan, Tom Renney what do they have in common..they ran the show completely, all players in the system were their call. This is the first year we have this since Clem ran the show in the beginning, (Yes I know Mongain was GM/Coach but really he was the one who started trading picks for pluggers, Marcel stayed the course...with good and bad results). I'm not saying that Cam Russell is a Brian Kilrea, Cam cant put skates on and play the games for the kids, he can be rah rah all he wants but if they come out flat there isn't much he can do except bench players. I'm not defending Cam, but then again, I don't go to practices and have no idea what his teaching style is. I'm willing to give him the season and into next to right the ship. Couldn't agree more. I don't know how many people say get ride of Cam on here and in person. On here I let it roll of my back but in person I sand up for the guy. Don't know him personally or anything just don't think he was given a good hand. BUT, and that's a big but for a reason. Lately I've been starting to think that its starting to look like what happened with Shawn. Shawn was a great couch but at the end there Bobby and Marcel felt he got stale and thought the players might have needed a new direction if you will. And if you guys remember what happened then they took off under McCadam. I'm not saying fire him but maybe find a new guy and he can step aside and be full time GM because so far he's rocking that side of his job.
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Post by sharrow on Nov 4, 2009 10:30:26 GMT -4
Do the Maniacs still own the rights to Huard, I noted that he is from North Bay, does anybody know ?
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Post by crash on Nov 4, 2009 10:32:52 GMT -4
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Post by sharrow on Nov 4, 2009 10:36:47 GMT -4
I noted that during the NHL game last night that the panel agreed that the leafs had good systems in place and that they were in most games and that they should have had a better standing but the lack of skill and poor goaltending were their downfall. This seems to be the fate of the Mooseheads as well this season.
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Post by Qfan69 on Nov 4, 2009 12:27:53 GMT -4
I noted that during the NHL game last night that the panel agreed that the leafs had good systems in place and that they were in most games and that they should have had a better standing but the lack of skill and poor goaltending were their downfall. This seems to be the fate of the Mooseheads as well this season. But the leafs because they're the leafs still sell seats. Not the moose don't just ask big Bobby.
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Post by melly on Nov 4, 2009 13:09:23 GMT -4
Hey sMelly we haven't heard from u for a long while and then u post that uninformed power play info, check the league stats for effective power plays, Halifax's P/P is and has been one of the best in the league. Try something else to belly ache about. Wow Sharrow, are we back on the playground. 'Smelly', you have to be kidding me. I pointed out a fact that the PP is sliding from being in the top 5 down to 11th now. And IMO, I think it will slide further as teams once again become accustomed to Cam relying on the individual talent of PP guys. I don't believe he is capable of making adjustments, as the system is EXACTLY the same all the time. It is just an opinion, but it sure as hell can't hurt to try some different things. There is some young talent on this team that needs to be utilized, and the best time to have open ice to do so is on the PP. Cam is willing to play the kids, and rebuild this org., so why put out Knotek,Grant and Randell to start every PP?
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Post by sharrow on Nov 4, 2009 17:00:38 GMT -4
You have to be kidding giving coaching advise on here like you know what you are doing, did you ever play the game , where did you coach ? Do you realize that this team is under going a complete renovation much the same as a total house renovation where it needs a new roof, new siding and upgrades to the foundation and you are pointing to a cracked tile in the kitchen. It like you have been away for two years and are unaware what is going on here, get with the program, its called REBUILD, RENOVATION.
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Post by olematelot on Nov 4, 2009 17:06:09 GMT -4
Hey sMelly we haven't heard from u for a long while and then u post that uninformed power play info, check the league stats for effective power plays, Halifax's P/P is and has been one of the best in the league. Try something else to belly ache about. Wow Sharrow, are we back on the playground. 'Smelly', you have to be kidding me. I pointed out a fact that the PP is sliding from being in the top 5 down to 11th now. And IMO, I think it will slide further as teams once again become accustomed to Cam relying on the individual talent of PP guys. I don't believe he is capable of making adjustments, as the system is EXACTLY the same all the time. It is just an opinion, but it sure as hell can't hurt to try some different things. There is some young talent on this team that needs to be utilized, and the best time to have open ice to do so is on the PP. Cam is willing to play the kids, and rebuild this org., so why put out Knotek,Grant and Randell to start every PP? I'm just speculating here but maybe he puts them out because they are the #1 unit and he's trying to get a goal.
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Post by sharrow on Nov 4, 2009 22:56:38 GMT -4
For those interested we fixed the cracked tile in the kitchen tonite in Saint John 2/4 on the P/P or 50%.
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Post by jimmy on Nov 5, 2009 8:59:54 GMT -4
Do you realize that this team is under going a complete renovation much the same as a total house renovation where it needs a new roof, new siding and upgrades to the foundation and you are pointing to a cracked tile in the kitchen. It like you have been away for two years and are unaware what is going on here, get with the program, its called REBUILD, RENOVATION. You guys are currently on pace to have by far the lowest point total seen in the Q in the past decade ... a season after you finished last overall. No one is disputing that you are rebuilding, but most teams manage to rebuild without being quite that putrid. I don't think anyone is justified in banging the drum as to what a stellar job of rebuilding Russell and the boys are doing.
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Post by Beaver Banker on Nov 5, 2009 9:29:37 GMT -4
You guys are currently on pace to have by far the lowest point total seen in the Q in the past decade ... a season after you finished last overall. No one is disputing that you are rebuilding, but most teams manage to rebuild without being quite that putrid. I don't think anyone is justified in banging the drum as to what a stellar job of rebuilding Russell and the boys are doing. We're not winning right now. If you want to blame Russell, then I think it's Russell the coach, not Russell the GM and his rebuild. After the 2007-08 season, we were left with nothing but unfulfilled expectations and a lack of resources to build upon. We mortgaged our future heavily for the present, and then squandered the opportunity we had built for ourselves. We heard stories, even into last year, about how the three levels of management (Smith/Marcel/Russell) constantly battled about direction/drafting/roster moves/etc. In my opinion, you have to write off last year as a consequence of the unclear direction over the prior few years. That leaves this year as year one of a three year cycle. In the first year, you play your young players, stockpile assets, and take your lumps. You want players who can buy into a system, and then teach them the role they play. The next year, you have a stronger group of players who have played the system, and - provided you've managed your resources correct - a high draft pick. By the third year, that group should be ready to contend. A few trades to fill holes, but the "system" should allow for those holes to be filled without a major sacrifice of the future like we're experiencing now. Cam the GM has played year one very well, IMO. He has built a young exciting lineup, with a good outlook going into the 2010 draft. Provided they scout well, they can be very effective in building up the roster for a run in 2011-12. While part of it may be that I'm back in the Maritimes, I am more excited about this moose team than I've been in a long time. I tend to be critical of the management, critical of the ownership and, when I don't feel the effort put forth is worth my entertainment dollars, critical of the on-ice product. This year I can see a plan, I can see the support that plan has from above, and most of all, I can see this year's team buying into that plan.
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Post by J4M13 on Nov 5, 2009 9:43:51 GMT -4
After watching the on-ice product last night, I don't see how you can blame the coach. Those guys were skating through walls out there. There was no shortage of effort, and with 6 minutes left, I saw a Mooseheads team with a chance to win. Heck, I saw a Moonseheads team that deserved to win. That's about all you can ask of a coach, IMO.
Your coach did everything right, and the players do seem to respond to him in a positive manner. I have no idea who could do a better job at this point, given the mess he's currently working his way out from under.
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