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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 5, 2009 9:47:07 GMT -4
The big mistake that was made by your organisation IMHO was last year not starting this full rebuild then, getting a lot of FA 17 and 18 year olds in camp, trying to move veterans for draft picks(2008 draft) and icing a younger team. Adding 19 year olds like Earle Snow Bolland Vlasanek was a waste of time and assets. If you're gonna suck at least suck while developing young players.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2009 9:47:37 GMT -4
After watching the on-ice product last night, I don't see how you can blame the coach. Those guys were skating through walls out there. There was no shortage of effort, and with 6 minutes left, I saw a Mooseheads team with a chance to win. Heck, I saw a Moonseheads team that deserved to win. That's about all you can ask of a coach, IMO. Your coach did everything right, and the players do seem to respond to him in a positive manner. I have no idea who could do a better job at this point, given the mess he's currently working his way out from under. Thanks JPM, it is sort of what I have been seeing. We can, and will debate Cam's strategy and player moves but the product he has put on the ice this year does not deserve all the losses they have had to suffer through. We will start to get some wins as these young players continue to develope, when I am not sure LOL. I will continue to follow and cheer as long as the effort is there.
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Post by Beaver Banker on Nov 5, 2009 9:53:29 GMT -4
After watching the on-ice product last night, I don't see how you can blame the coach. Those guys were skating through walls out there. There was no shortage of effort, and with 6 minutes left, I saw a Mooseheads team with a chance to win. Heck, I saw a Moonseheads team that deserved to win. That's about all you can ask of a coach, IMO. Your coach did everything right, and the players do seem to respond to him in a positive manner. I have no idea who could do a better job at this point, given the mess he's currently working his way out from under. I agree with you, especially looking at last night's game. But if the boys go balls out every game, keep 95% of those games close, and lose all of them (the game they won wasn't that close), then maybe an adjustment needs to be made. Cam is very good at motivating the players, and they seem to respond to him very well. Maybe it's time for him to make some changes to re-focus that effort.
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Post by Beaver Banker on Nov 5, 2009 9:57:43 GMT -4
The big mistake that was made by your organisation IMHO was last year not starting this full rebuild then, getting a lot of FA 17 and 18 year olds in camp, trying to move veterans for draft picks(2008 draft) and icing a younger team. Adding 19 year olds like Earle Snow Bolland Vlasanek was a waste of time and assets. If you're gonna suck at least suck while developing young players. Exactly! This is why if you're looking at the team creating a "system" (think Gatineau), this year has to be considered year one of the cycle. Last year was an unfortunate gong show, that unfortunately leaves the casual fan saying "Another year, another shitty team. Let's go to the movies..."
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Post by bois on Nov 5, 2009 9:59:50 GMT -4
The big mistake that was made by your organisation IMHO was last year not starting this full rebuild then, getting a lot of FA 17 and 18 year olds in camp, trying to move veterans for draft picks(2008 draft) and icing a younger team. Adding 19 year olds like Earle Snow Bolland Vlasanek was a waste of time and assets. If you're gonna suck at least suck while developing young players. what young players did they have available to develop last year? you can't just ice a complete rookie lineup either
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 5, 2009 10:03:03 GMT -4
The big mistake that was made by your organisation IMHO was last year not starting this full rebuild then, getting a lot of FA 17 and 18 year olds in camp, trying to move veterans for draft picks(2008 draft) and icing a younger team. Adding 19 year olds like Earle Snow Bolland Vlasanek was a waste of time and assets. If you're gonna suck at least suck while developing young players. what young players did they have available to develop last year? you can't just ice a complete rookie lineup either Thats what people ignore... we have to fill roster spots somehow. This past offseason we traded for and drafted a bunch of guys that are able to play at this level right now. Last year was such a mess because we didnt have many Q calibre bodies. We cant just throw out a midget team of guys who cant play at this level.
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Post by Beaver Banker on Nov 5, 2009 10:07:54 GMT -4
what young players did they have available to develop last year? you can't just ice a complete rookie lineup either Thats what people ignore... we have to fill roster spots somehow. This past offseason we traded for and drafted a bunch of guys that are able to play at this level right now. Last year was such a mess because we didnt have many Q calibre bodies. We cant just throw out a midget team of guys who cant play at this level. My issue wasn't with the team going out to find bodies to fill roster spots, it was spending assets on marginal players.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 5, 2009 10:16:30 GMT -4
Thats what people ignore... we have to fill roster spots somehow. This past offseason we traded for and drafted a bunch of guys that are able to play at this level right now. Last year was such a mess because we didnt have many Q calibre bodies. We cant just throw out a midget team of guys who cant play at this level. My issue wasn't with the team going out to find bodies to fill roster spots, it was spending assets on marginal players. The Vlasanek deal was the worst decision IMO... But still, sometimes to put Q calibre players in the lineup you might have to give up some value.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 5, 2009 10:42:19 GMT -4
The big mistake that was made by your organisation IMHO was last year not starting this full rebuild then, getting a lot of FA 17 and 18 year olds in camp, trying to move veterans for draft picks(2008 draft) and icing a younger team. Adding 19 year olds like Earle Snow Bolland Vlasanek was a waste of time and assets. If you're gonna suck at least suck while developing young players. what young players did they have available to develop last year? you can't just ice a complete rookie lineup either That's my point GO OUT AND GET SOME. They have deep pockets and a lot of contacts. ...scout every midget and junior league in the country and find 17 and 18 year olds that could have upside. CB, Gatineau and Moncton have done it. At least if they added better 19 year olds they may have stuck at 20 or been decent trade bait. There are tons of examples like Marquardt MacDonald Mangan Holden Byron Goulet Smith Fergus DiDomenico Stephens McGinn Giroux etc
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 5, 2009 10:44:30 GMT -4
what young players did they have available to develop last year? you can't just ice a complete rookie lineup either Thats what people ignore... we have to fill roster spots somehow. This past offseason we traded for and drafted a bunch of guys that are able to play at this level right now. Last year was such a mess because we didnt have many Q calibre bodies. We cant just throw out a midget team of guys who cant play at this level. You have to admit the ones they got were pretty brutal and cost assets. Why not spend the summer looking for FA's? Guys would have welcomed an opportunity to try out for a team that lost about 2/3 it's core players, meaning there were openings there.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 5, 2009 10:49:23 GMT -4
what young players did they have available to develop last year? you can't just ice a complete rookie lineup either That's my point GO OUT AND GET SOME. They have deep pockets and a lot of contacts. ...scout every midget and junior league in the country and find 17 and 18 year olds that could have upside. CB, Gatineau and Moncton have done it. At least if they added better 19 year olds they may have stuck at 20 or been decent trade bait. There are tons of examples like Marquardt MacDonald Mangan Holden Byron Goulet Smith Fergus DiDomenico Stephens McGinn Giroux etc Yeah and there are lots of FA/invites that do very little. Keep in mind too though that Marcel was still in charge and no doubt feeling the pressure to get wins. Russell seems to have been given a clean slate to start from the bottom (ie trading O'Connor and Piette for youth ).
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 5, 2009 10:50:52 GMT -4
That's my point GO OUT AND GET SOME. They have deep pockets and a lot of contacts. ...scout every midget and junior league in the country and find 17 and 18 year olds that could have upside. CB, Gatineau and Moncton have done it. At least if they added better 19 year olds they may have stuck at 20 or been decent trade bait. There are tons of examples like Marquardt MacDonald Mangan Holden Byron Goulet Smith Fergus DiDomenico Stephens McGinn Giroux etc Yeah and there are lots of FA/invites that do very little. Keep in mind too though that Marcel was still in charge and no doubt feeling the pressure to get wins. Russell seems to have been given a clean slate to start from the bottom (ie trading O'Connor and Piette for youth ). Regardless of what the issue was politically in the team, it was a wasted year.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 5, 2009 10:53:39 GMT -4
Yeah and there are lots of FA/invites that do very little. Keep in mind too though that Marcel was still in charge and no doubt feeling the pressure to get wins. Russell seems to have been given a clean slate to start from the bottom (ie trading O'Connor and Piette for youth ). Regardless of what the issue was politically in the team, it was a wasted year. Who is arguing that? We've all said this is the first year of a true rebuild. Last year was a "fill the holes and try and put together a Q calibre team". We didnt have much in the way of quality youth to give icetime to.
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Post by Gman on Nov 5, 2009 11:16:30 GMT -4
I think it all goes back to what Donnelly said (on rink rant? - I'm not sure) in that this year's team is the perfect storm of bad luck. There are NO veteran players who can bail the team out. Brunet/Bahm/Cheremetiev is perhaps one of the worst group of overagers to ever suit up for Halifax, and now we only have 2 of them, and they aren't playing like 20's should. Knotek is the only true scoring talent we have that is able to contribute regularly right now. You just won't win with 1 player/line that doesn't have experienced defence/goaltending to back them up. Halifax will be lucky to win 5 games this year, but it's more due to poor planning than anything else. When a team gets in a rebuild situation the first instinct is to trade away all the vets worth anything, but in our case, we didn't have anything. I'm not saying Clarke and Andrews for O'Connor and Piette were bad moves, but they are a huge reason why we can't win.
Take the lumps... if Cam is any kind of coach, it will improve 10 fold next year. In the meantime, if this team wants to stay competetive with Moncton, CB, SJ, Gatineau, etc, they HAVE to start finding quality FA players. The teams that consistently win, always have a diamond in the rough type FA that they got completely free.
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Post by bsm on Nov 5, 2009 16:05:45 GMT -4
Maybe they should call St. John, they have a kid (Kelly)playing midget hockey who could be playing in the league. He would be another good building block for the future.
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