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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 7:37:00 GMT -4
Greater Moncton could soon have a 2nd Midget AAA team. A group are hoping to have a team in Dieppe as early as next season.
A perfect fit if you ask me. As of right now, players from the Moncton and Dieppe Bantam AAA have to compete for spots on the Moncton Flyers.
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 29, 2017 7:41:27 GMT -4
Sounds like it will just be two watered down teams trying to compete with stronger teams from SJ and Fredericton.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 29, 2017 7:41:54 GMT -4
That sounds a lot like senior baseball, when Moncton had two senior teams, they could not compete for the championship. The Flyers consistently have the top team in the province, but split that into two and you likely have a bottom feeder.
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Post by scotiahockey on Mar 29, 2017 8:23:45 GMT -4
Yeah that doesn't make sense to me. Moncton while consistently the best team, would struggle if it was split into 2 teams. I think the league could use another team but I don't think that team should be in the Moncton area.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 29, 2017 8:25:17 GMT -4
Yeah that doesn't make sense to me. Moncton while consistently the best team, would struggle if it was split into 2 teams. I think the league could use another team but I don't think that team should be in the Moncton area. The best plan would be to put a team in Edmundston or Campbelton and give Miramichi more territory shoutherly and cut back Frederictonto just their area. |
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Post by scotiahockey on Mar 29, 2017 8:30:36 GMT -4
Yeah that doesn't make sense to me. Moncton while consistently the best team, would struggle if it was split into 2 teams. I think the league could use another team but I don't think that team should be in the Moncton area. The best plan would be to put a team in Edmundston or Campbelton and give Miramichi more territory shoutherly and cut back Frederictonto just their area. I'm not extremely familiar with the territories and how they work exactly with HNB but on the surface, depending on the # of kids, I like that idea. |
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Post by jimmy on Mar 29, 2017 9:02:17 GMT -4
There are four EDZAs in New Brunswick ... South (SJ area), East (Moncton area), West (Fredricton up to Edmundston) and North (Miramichi, Peninsule, Bathurst, Campbellton). The way it is structured is a pyramid type approach - each EDZA has 4 or 5 PW AAA teams, 2 BAAA teams, and one Major Midget team. Going to two major midget teams in a particular zone would be a significant departure from their current structure - not sure how easy that would be to do.
That said, HNB recently put out a tender for all major midget franchises in the province ... normally these get renewed with the existing franchise/group running the program, but not always. It is a possible that a group out of Dieppe is putting together a bid for a franchise, however my understanding is that it would be them or the Flyers, but not both. I did hear rumblings that there was going to be multiple applications for the West franchise, one involving long time coach Kevin Pottle who was controversially replaced by Eric Bissonette last year. It is possible the same thing may be occurring in the East - the group running the Flyers has been in place for a long time, and it is possible that some new blood would like in as well.
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Post by viper on Mar 29, 2017 9:03:14 GMT -4
Yeah that doesn't make sense to me. Moncton while consistently the best team, would struggle if it was split into 2 teams. I think the league could use another team but I don't think that team should be in the Moncton area. The best plan would be to put a team in Edmundston or Campbelton and give Miramichi more territory shoutherly and cut back Frederictonto just their area. If they are going to add a team it would stand to reason it would come from the city whose team has been dominating the league. Also from a population standpoint Moncton's metro population is similar to PEI's total population and PEI has two teams where is Fredericton's is quite a bit smaller. Also I would imagine the two PEI teams would much rather have a second team in Moncton then in Edmundston. |
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Post by Citris on Mar 29, 2017 9:38:50 GMT -4
Personally I'd like to see this. I tend to think the flyers are generally a bit too strong and don't use their 15s as much as they could. I think in terms of player development it'd the right move.
Halifax has 3 major midget teams, so I think Moncton can probably handle 2.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 29, 2017 10:04:27 GMT -4
Personally I'd like to see this. I tend to think the flyers are generally a bit too strong and don't use their 15s as much as they could. I think in terms of player development it'd the right move. Halifax has 3 major midget teams, so I think Moncton can probably handle 2. Greater Moncton population is around 144k, greater Halifax is 403k. 3-1 ratio makes sense |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 10:19:49 GMT -4
Sounds like it will just be two watered down teams trying to compete with stronger teams from SJ and Fredericton. There are talks of Fredericton adding a 2nd team. |
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Post by downthemiddle on Mar 29, 2017 11:39:47 GMT -4
I would think Moncton adding a second team would be akin to what happened in St. John's with the Leafs and Privateers.
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Post by chootoi on Mar 29, 2017 11:59:01 GMT -4
I have kids in Dieppe minor hockey and I can tell you that Dieppe has this dilution issue at almost every level of hockey. The problem is not really the association - it is the parents being a victim of their own arrogance. For example even in Atom hockey there is AA team, A, and 2 B teams. I hear constant complaints from parents that those teams are getting destroyed at tournaments. You have all these competitive teams that are so diluted that they can't compete and then the house league program has no talent left over to compete either. The association wants to fix this but the parents keep saying "No no no my kid is too good for house league, we want more competitive teams."
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 29, 2017 12:04:19 GMT -4
I have kids in Dieppe minor hockey and I can tell you that Dieppe has this dilution issue at almost every level of hockey. The problem is not really the association - it is the parents being a victim of their own arrogance. For example even in Atom hockey there is AA team, A, and 2 B teams. I hear constant complaints from parents that those teams are getting destroyed at tournaments. You have all these competitive teams that are so diluted that they can't compete and then the house league program has no talent left over to compete either. The association wants to fix this but the parents keep saying "No no no my kid is too good for house league, we want more competitive teams." There has been a back an forth the last 5 years. 2 years ago in Pee Wee they had too many comp teams(4) and could not compete, the year before it was too few(2). The province has pretty accurate guidelines, if you have more than x players you should have so many competitive teams. I agree that some of this is the parents, especially at a young age(Pee Wee and Atom) where they spend a fortune on camps and spring hockey without realizing that they mostly just take the kids with parents willing to pay the $$$. |
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Post by islandred on Mar 29, 2017 12:26:07 GMT -4
Can only speak on behalf of PEI major midget, but this would probably help our kids. Moncton is the best or near best team every year. In my opinion, we should only have one team, but if we're to have two, I think it's only fair that Moncton does too. Last year alone, Charlottetown Islanders major midget (before they folded) had about 30 kids out for tryouts, while it was rumoured Moncton had 130. You just can't compete with that, especially with a lot of top PEI kids moving away.
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