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Post by SteveUL on Mar 31, 2017 8:24:43 GMT -4
The problem with these large zones is that the kids that are living on the outer edges of the zones will choose to play closer to home, because they can't make the hour drive to practice regularly. Jimmy mentioned Rexton above ... thats an hour drive into Moncton on a dangerous highway in the winter. I know many will do it ... but these kids on the outer edges don't get the same chances as the kids nearer to the home rink.
Many kids in Shediac ... only 25 mins away ... would rather play HS with the friends they grew up with rather than than join Moncton ... a hockey town they have despised for years growing up playing against them.
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Post by jimmy on Mar 31, 2017 8:35:17 GMT -4
The problem with these large zones is that the kids that are living on the outer edges of the zones will choose to play closer to home, because they can't make the hour drive to practice regularly. Jimmy mentioned Rexton above ... thats an hour drive into Moncton on a dangerous highway in the winter. I know many will do it ... but these kids on the outer edges don't get the same chances as the kids nearer to the home rink. Many kids in Shediac ... only 25 mins away ... would rather play HS with the friends they grew up with rather than than join Moncton ... a hockey town they have despised for years growing up playing against them. Very valid point ... but I don't see a way around that one ... at the highest level, you are always going to have a limited number of teams, generally located in the higher population centres. If you are from a small town, you are faced with the choice of travelling to play at the top level, in some cases moving (like right now, if a kid from Edmundston wants to play Midget AAA they pretty much have to move to Fredericton at age 15), or staying home and playing at whatever level is offered locally. I don't see how you avoid that ... but what you should be able to reduce is kids from an area like Moncton feeling they have to leave home for opportunities at the age of 15 or 16 ... there is no reason those opportunities should not be available locally. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 31, 2017 8:59:15 GMT -4
The problem with these large zones is that the kids that are living on the outer edges of the zones will choose to play closer to home, because they can't make the hour drive to practice regularly. Jimmy mentioned Rexton above ... thats an hour drive into Moncton on a dangerous highway in the winter. I know many will do it ... but these kids on the outer edges don't get the same chances as the kids nearer to the home rink. Many kids in Shediac ... only 25 mins away ... would rather play HS with the friends they grew up with rather than than join Moncton ... a hockey town they have despised for years growing up playing against them. Kids from away can stay with a billet, that's what they do in Quebec. Same as when kids go to prep schools, they live away from home. I think the elite kids will still go to MAAA, the fringe ones might stay home to play HS. |
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 31, 2017 9:04:35 GMT -4
Moncton playing Cape Breton now at Atlantics ... just started at 10:00 AM.
I didn't hear all of the scores from yesterday, but I believe that Moncton beat NFLD and CB beat PEI, not sure what happened in the late game between NFLD and Miramichi.
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Post by jimmy on Mar 31, 2017 9:16:44 GMT -4
Moncton playing Cape Breton now at Atlantics ... just started at 10:00 AM. I didn't hear all of the scores from yesterday, but I believe that Moncton beat NFLD and CB beat PEI, not sure what happened in the late game between NFLD and Miramichi. NFLD must have won, heard on CBC this morning that they had split ... |
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Post by interested on Mar 31, 2017 9:30:46 GMT -4
Power houses don't hurt anyone, except parents who get caught up in their children winning or losing. I did say development requires players play against top players, and it does. In every game and sport. I also said players should play with top players. Little Johnny on the first line is fun, and great for his parents. But he's usually better off, developmentally, on the third line and battling for ice. Elite players have to learn intensity, and they don't learn it being one of three to five players on the team who can play. Major midget hockey is not and should not be about "creating more opportunities for kids to play". That's rec hockey. I'd change some things, if I could, just wouldn't grow the number of teams. I'd lengthen the season, and Telus Cup be damned. Development requires play, and elite teams ending their season a month or more before rec teams is ridiculous. I'd also mandate a minimum number of first-years per team, and a max number of thirds. Just saying: we can improve development, but making it so every Little Johnny makes a team is not the way. Lengthening the season is not going to happen. Rinks are not going to keep their ice in for one team. Imagine the cost of that. And the Telus Cup is not going anywhere. Adding a team in Moncton isn't making it so everyone can play. Looking at the number of teams in NS and PEI and the population sizes it just makes sense. I know the Telus Cup isn't going anywhere: I'm saying it's useless, and should go. But I've been around a long time, and I'd lose it if i could. There's still ice today in Fredericton, Moncton, Miramichi and Quispamsis: no problem to have major midget teams continue to end of March. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 31, 2017 9:40:53 GMT -4
Lengthening the season is not going to happen. Rinks are not going to keep their ice in for one team. Imagine the cost of that. And the Telus Cup is not going anywhere. Adding a team in Moncton isn't making it so everyone can play. Looking at the number of teams in NS and PEI and the population sizes it just makes sense. I know the Telus Cup isn't going anywhere: I'm saying it's useless, and should go. But I've been around a long time, and I'd lose it if i could. There's still ice today in Fredericton, Moncton, Miramichi and Quispamsis: no problem to have major midget teams continue to end of March. Most kids are on the ice 10 or 11 months a year, just because MAAA isn't playing doesn't mean those kids are not on the ice. |
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 31, 2017 11:16:25 GMT -4
Flyers lose 5-1 to CB West. Flyers seem to come out flat in 1st and fell behind, and didn't really show any jump to try to get back into it. They play again tonight vs Miramichi at 7:00 PM. CB West is 2-0 now ... Moncton is 1-1 ... SJ's is 1-1 ... PEI is 0-1 and Miramichi is 0-1 It is looking like a potential Moncton-CB West Final. SJ's plays CB West later today which should play into that ... SJ's would seem to need to beat CB West to have a shot getting into the gold medal game. Tounament Scoreboard is at miramichirivermen.com/ |
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Post by wild1 on Mar 31, 2017 12:22:32 GMT -4
I think what they should do to make it a fair and competitive league is have a draft of all eligible players, save for a couple territorial picks similar to the MHL. You could then add teams say in Dieppe, Bathurst, Campbellton and Edmundston. More teams give more players a chance to play competitive hockey. The territorial thing though is the biggest drawback, there is no way smaller areas like Campbellton could compete with Moncton or Saint John, so having a draft would be the fair way to do it. Kids could stay will billets instead of travelling so much, there are 16 year olds that do in in the CHL and Tier 2 so why not MAAA?
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 31, 2017 12:53:26 GMT -4
I think what they should do to make it a fair and competitive league is have a draft of all eligible players, save for a couple territorial picks similar to the MHL. You could then add teams say in Dieppe, Bathurst, Campbellton and Edmundston. More teams give more players a chance to play competitive hockey. The territorial thing though is the biggest drawback, there is no way smaller areas like Campbellton could compete with Moncton or Saint John, so having a draft would be the fair way to do it. Kids could stay will billets instead of travelling so much, there are 16 year olds that do in in the CHL and Tier 2 so why not MAAA? Where does the money come from to billet 20+ players ? The current model is the best way to address the high costs of running a team. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 15:39:30 GMT -4
I think what they should do to make it a fair and competitive league is have a draft of all eligible players, save for a couple territorial picks similar to the MHL. You could then add teams say in Dieppe, Bathurst, Campbellton and Edmundston. More teams give more players a chance to play competitive hockey. The territorial thing though is the biggest drawback, there is no way smaller areas like Campbellton could compete with Moncton or Saint John, so having a draft would be the fair way to do it. Kids could stay will billets instead of travelling so much, there are 16 year olds that do in in the CHL and Tier 2 so why not MAAA? Where does the money come from to billet 20+ players ? The current model is the best way to address the high costs of running a team. Billeting a kid costs approx. $600 a month based on a $20 a day room and board allowance and some transportation to rink and school. So for a 7 month season it totals to $4200. The up river kids forced to play midget major in Fredericton have no choice but to absorb this cost, would the team help out with this cost ? Probably the same situation for the kids playing in miramichi ?
If a kids plays bantam major at home here are some of the associated costs $ for a season. There are probably more hidden costs like proper nutrition and transportation to team activities and fund raisers but my source just gave me the big ones.
1) $2500 hockey fee 2) $1000 for skates 3) $1000 for miscellaneous equipment 4) $1050 for sticks based on $175 a stick 5) $5000 tourney travel, hotel, meals and spending money 6) $500 off ice training 7) $300 nutritional supplements 8) $3000 additional for goalies
Grand total for some players and their family = $ 14 000. Wow !
I wonder how much families pay to send their kid to prep hockey ? can't be that much more ?
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 31, 2017 16:25:43 GMT -4
Where does the money come from to billet 20+ players ? The current model is the best way to address the high costs of running a team. Billeting a kid costs approx. $600 a month based on a $20 a day room and board allowance and some transportation to rink and school. So for a 7 month season it totals to $4200. The up river kids forced to play midget major in Fredericton have no choice but to absorb this cost, would the team help out with this cost ? Probably the same situation for the kids playing in miramichi ?
If a kids plays bantam major at home here are some of the associated costs $ for a season. There are probably more hidden costs like proper nutrition and transportation to team activities and fund raisers but my source just gave me the big ones.
1) $2500 hockey fee 2) $1000 for skates 3) $1000 for miscellaneous equipment 4) $1050 for sticks based on $175 a stick 5) $5000 tourney travel, hotel, meals and spending money 6) $500 off ice training 7) $300 nutritional supplements 8) $3000 additional for goalies
Grand total for some players and their family = $ 14 000. Wow !
I wonder how much families pay to send their kid to prep hockey ? can't be that much more ?
So that $4200 for billeting is multiplied by 20 kids now instead of 3. I can see you forcing 2 or 3 kids from away to pay that for themselves. But force 20 kids per team to do it (probably less than 20 ... some will be locals) and the parents will start saying "No, if you want my kid to leave his home to play for you, then you pay to board him, like they do in the Q". The parents will revolt... it is already too expensive as you showed. It only works if players are local. It starts to become a big business when you start drafting as you suggest. |
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Post by viper on Mar 31, 2017 17:02:04 GMT -4
Moncton playing Cape Breton now at Atlantics ... just started at 10:00 AM. I didn't hear all of the scores from yesterday, but I believe that Moncton beat NFLD and CB beat PEI, not sure what happened in the late game between NFLD and Miramichi. NFLD must have won, heard on CBC this morning that they had split ... Does anyone know what the 3 team tie-breaker is? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 17:13:11 GMT -4
NFLD must have won, heard on CBC this morning that they had split ... Does anyone know what the 3 team tie-breaker is? Good question. Earlier today, Miramichi beat Kensington. St. John's just beat CB West. What a tournament. |
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Post by SteveUL on Mar 31, 2017 18:59:15 GMT -4
NFLD must have won, heard on CBC this morning that they had split ... Does anyone know what the 3 team tie-breaker is? From Hockey Canada Three or More Teams Tied Note: The three-team tiebreaker is used to determine the seeding of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd seed. If any step in the tiebreaker only seeds one team, that team assumes that position. The three-team tiebreaker will continue to determine the seeding of the two remaining teams. At no time will teams using this formula go back to the two-team tiebreaker 2. If three teams or more are tied, the point record established in the games among the tied teams only will be used as the first tie breaking formula in deciding which team(s) shall advance. 2.1 The team with the most wins (among tied teams) would gain the highest position. 2.2 If teams are still tied after 2.1 has been applied, then the team with the best goal average gains the highest position. The goal average of a team is to be determined in the following manner: total number of goals for divided by total number of goals for and against. NOTE: All round robin games are included Example: For = 10 goals Against = 4 goals Percentage 10 10+4 = .714 NOTE: The highest percentage gains the highest position(s). The exercise of 2.2 establishes the team or teams with the highest position(s) by percentage. These teams will advance. If there are still teams tied, they go to the next step. They do not go back to the “Two Team Tiebreaker”. Example; A. Team A - .714 = 1 seed - Advances Team B - .500 = 3 seed – Does not advance Team C - .650 = 2 seed – Advances B. Team A - .714 = 1 seed – Advances Team B - .500 = Still tied with team C – go to next step 2.3. Team C- .500 = Still tied with team B – go to next step 2.3. C. Team A –. 650 = Still tied with team B – go to next step 2.3. Team B - .650 = Still tied with team A – go to next step 2.3. Team C - .500 = Does not advance 2.3 If teams are still tied after 2.1 and 2.2. The team with the fewest goals against (all round robin games played) will gain the highest position. 2.4 If teams are still tied after 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3. The team with the most goals for (all round robin games played) will gain the highest position. 2.5 If teams are still tied after 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4 have been applied, the team to qualify would be the team that received the least number of minutes in penalties throughout all the round robin games. 2.6 If teams are still tied after 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4 and 2.5 have been applied, a coin toss shall determine the winner. In a 3 team coin toss, the odd team gains the highest position |
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