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Post by chsb on Oct 30, 2017 18:56:57 GMT -4
From what I heard, both Kuznetsov and Miromanov cannot get their release from their respective KHL team. So this file looks as dead as Kuz in Bathurst. Not quite as dead ... we'll be getting two picks from Bathurst if he doesn't show up here. Sorry to disappoint you once again! You keep running after your own tail on this one. Get over it, the deal is done and fin al. |
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 31, 2017 7:38:30 GMT -4
Not quite as dead ... we'll be getting two picks from Bathurst if he doesn't show up here. Sorry to disappoint you once again! You keep running after your own tail on this one. Get over it, the deal is done and fin al. lol ... if that is the case then nobody will trust Couturier anymore. He'll find it difficult to find trading partners and will pay higher prices because of it. Shannon has already said that if Miromanov does not report then we will receive two picks from the Titan. You know the Q doesn't work the way you are describing ... compensation is a regular occurrence for traded players not reporting. And for 20 yr olds it is typically built into the trade since they have more options. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 31, 2017 8:44:47 GMT -4
Not quite as dead ... we'll be getting two picks from Bathurst if he doesn't show up here. Sorry to disappoint you once again! You keep running after your own tail on this one. Get over it, the deal is done and fin al. Stop posting your BS. when a Q GM says in no uncertain terms in a newspaper that there is compensation coming if player X does not report, it is always the case. Not only that but these facts make it unbelievably logical... 1-Miromanov was reported to have a KHL try out long BEFORE the trade, so it stands to reason that anybody giving up an asset/assets for him would have compensation built in. 2-the trade falls to pieces the minute Miromanov does not report... Desjardins for the 2nd in 2019 was part of an earlier trade and is unrelated. Miromanov(20) 6th rounder for Murphy(19) 4th rounder Why on earth would Moncton trade a 4th for a 6th just to get rid of Murphy, the trade becomes ridiculous without Miromanov reporting. Doesn't pass the smell test despite your ridiculous pleas. |
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Post by chsb on Oct 31, 2017 10:05:30 GMT -4
Sorry to disappoint you once again! You keep running after your own tail on this one. Get over it, the deal is done and fin al. Stop posting your BS. when a Q GM says in no uncertain terms in a newspaper that there is compensation coming if player X does not report, it is always the case. Not only that but these facts make it unbelievably logical... 1-Miromanov was reported to have a KHL try out long BEFORE the trade, so it stands to reason that anybody giving up an asset/assets for him would have compensation built in. 2-the trade falls to pieces the minute Miromanov does not report... Desjardins for the 2nd in 2019 was part of an earlier trade and is unrelated. Miromanov(20) 6th rounder for Murphy(19) 4th rounder Why on earth would Moncton trade a 4th for a 6th just to get rid of Murphy, the trade becomes ridiculous without Miromanov reporting. Doesn't pass the smell test despite your ridiculous pleas. You come on the Titan board to tell us that Couturier is not to be believed and that we are naive if we believe GMs in the medias. Now you come and tell me that the worst BSer GM in the Q should be taken to his word. Whatever floats your boat as you say! I have another source that tells me that we owe nothing. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 31, 2017 10:07:56 GMT -4
Oh good chsb and Billy are still arguing over trade details that in the grand scheme of things are irrelevant and even when 1 is right and 1 is wrong the only losers are the ones forced to read their conversation as 1 won't ever admit defeat and the other will just disappear for a week.
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Post by WHEELsnipePARTY on Oct 31, 2017 10:13:00 GMT -4
Just a quick Twitter search of miromanovs name and there’s two different reports of Moncton recieving a pick if he doesn’t report.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 31, 2017 10:23:00 GMT -4
Stop posting your BS. when a Q GM says in no uncertain terms in a newspaper that there is compensation coming if player X does not report, it is always the case. Not only that but these facts make it unbelievably logical... 1-Miromanov was reported to have a KHL try out long BEFORE the trade, so it stands to reason that anybody giving up an asset/assets for him would have compensation built in. 2-the trade falls to pieces the minute Miromanov does not report... Desjardins for the 2nd in 2019 was part of an earlier trade and is unrelated. Miromanov(20) 6th rounder for Murphy(19) 4th rounder Why on earth would Moncton trade a 4th for a 6th just to get rid of Murphy, the trade becomes ridiculous without Miromanov reporting. Doesn't pass the smell test despite your ridiculous pleas. You come on the Titan board to tell us that Couturier is not to be believed and that we are naive if we believe GMs in the medias. Now you come and tell me that the worst BSer GM in the Q should be taken to his word. Whatever floats your boat as you say! I have another source that tells me that we owe nothing. Show me where I said Couturier lied in the media. I'm talking about a statement of facts, not saying "we have the best team in the Q" which is an opinion. I can't recall a Q GM lying about a trade in the media where another GM can just come out and say it's wrong. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 31, 2017 10:34:15 GMT -4
Just a quick Twitter search of miromanovs name and there’s two different reports of Moncton recieving a pick if he doesn’t report. It gets to the point where moderators need to get involved...chsb will ruin threads for a year then end up being wrong and simply not even acknowledge it again....at some point you need to put an end to that nonsense. |
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Post by WHEELsnipePARTY on Oct 31, 2017 10:36:53 GMT -4
Just a quick Twitter search of miromanovs name and there’s two different reports of Moncton recieving a pick if he doesn’t report. It gets to the point where moderators need to get involved...chsb will ruin threads for a year then end up being wrong and simply not even acknowledge it again....at some point you need to put an end to that nonsense. This is true and both tweets are from way back in may to |
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 31, 2017 12:03:49 GMT -4
You come on the Titan board to tell us that Couturier is not to be believed and that we are naive if we believe GMs in the medias. Now you come and tell me that the worst BSer GM in the Q should be taken to his word. Whatever floats your boat as you say! I have another source that tells me that we owe nothing. Show me where I said Couturier lied in the media. I'm talking about a statement of facts, not saying "we have the best team in the Q" which is an opinion. I can't recall a Q GM lying about a trade in the media where another GM can just come out and say it's wrong. GMs are forced to lie in the media by the Q ... by saying they are not permitted to discuss trades and future parts of trades in the media, they force GMs to lie when the reporters ask questions. I guess they have never heard of "no comment". |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 31, 2017 12:07:02 GMT -4
Show me where I said Couturier lied in the media. I'm talking about a statement of facts, not saying "we have the best team in the Q" which is an opinion. I can't recall a Q GM lying about a trade in the media where another GM can just come out and say it's wrong. GMs are forced to lie in the media by the Q ... by saying they are not permitted to discuss trades and future parts of trades in the media, they force GMs to lie when the reporters ask questions. I guess they have never heard of "no comment". A lie is saying something that isn't true. Saying I can't talk about that isn't lieing about it. Talking about it and saying things that end up being false is. |
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 31, 2017 12:10:13 GMT -4
From the August 9, 2017 Times & Transcript ... Hodge indicated that Shannon said the following regarding the circumstances of Miromanov not reporting:
If Miromanov doesn't join the Wildcats, they will receive two picks in the 2018 draft as compensation. Shannon wouldn't give specific details, but did say that "both picks are better than fifth round picks".
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 31, 2017 12:24:25 GMT -4
GMs are forced to lie in the media by the Q ... by saying they are not permitted to discuss trades and future parts of trades in the media, they force GMs to lie when the reporters ask questions. I guess they have never heard of "no comment". A lie is saying something that isn't true. Saying I can't talk about that isn't lieing about it. Talking about it and saying things that end up being false is. I agree ... but many times GMs have said "thats all ... no more to the deal" ... but then we find that there is more at the next draft. The GMs never seem to want to say "I can't talk about it". Part of the reason is that they tend to often look bad on part one of trade ... but then when you see the full picture of the futures they look good. They don't want to look bad in the media. They like to talk about it but skirt around it without giving too many details and naming names of futures. In this case, if Miromanov doesn't report and there is no compensation built in then Shannon looks like an idiot for not covering his bases. But where no other players are involved he is permitted to talk about picks. Perhaps the exact value of the two picks is not fixed, other than "better than 5ths" and so he can't give more detail than that. Perhaps we get a 4th and a 3rd, and have to send a 5th back to meet the agreed value (2 4ths) ... it will depend on what the Titan have available at the draft I guess. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 31, 2017 12:42:35 GMT -4
A lie is saying something that isn't true. Saying I can't talk about that isn't lieing about it. Talking about it and saying things that end up being false is. I agree ... but many times GMs have said "thats all ... no more to the deal" ... but then we find that there is more at the next draft. The GMs never seem to want to say "I can't talk about it". Part of the reason is that they tend to often look bad on part one of trade ... but then when you see the full picture of the futures they look good. They don't want to look bad in the media. They like to talk about it but skirt around it without giving too many details and naming names of futures. In this case, if Miromanov doesn't report and there is no compensation built in then Shannon looks like an idiot for not covering his bases. But where no other players are involved he is permitted to talk about picks. Perhaps the exact value of the two picks is not fixed, other than "better than 5ths" and so he can't give more detail than that. Perhaps we get a 4th and a 3rd, and have to send a 5th back to meet the agreed value (2 4ths) ... it will depend on what the Titan have available at the draft I guess. That situation is a big different. They are protecting their current players from their names being in the media for 3-4 months. Couturier or Shannon have no reason to protect their draft pick from being in the media...I doubt the Titan's 4th rounder reads the paper and it's season will be ruined?? |
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 31, 2017 14:49:34 GMT -4
I agree ... but many times GMs have said "thats all ... no more to the deal" ... but then we find that there is more at the next draft. The GMs never seem to want to say "I can't talk about it". Part of the reason is that they tend to often look bad on part one of trade ... but then when you see the full picture of the futures they look good. They don't want to look bad in the media. They like to talk about it but skirt around it without giving too many details and naming names of futures. In this case, if Miromanov doesn't report and there is no compensation built in then Shannon looks like an idiot for not covering his bases. But where no other players are involved he is permitted to talk about picks. Perhaps the exact value of the two picks is not fixed, other than "better than 5ths" and so he can't give more detail than that. Perhaps we get a 4th and a 3rd, and have to send a 5th back to meet the agreed value (2 4ths) ... it will depend on what the Titan have available at the draft I guess. That situation is a big different. They are protecting their current players from their names being in the media for 3-4 months. Couturier or Shannon have no reason to protect their draft pick from being in the media...I doubt the Titan's 4th rounder reads the paper and it's season will be ruined?? I'm on your side in this ... just saying that GMs do lie to the media annually. |
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