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Oct 29, 2017 7:59:26 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 29, 2017 7:59:26 GMT -4
the no parking issue is more or less an issue for the older Crowd. No I think it is an issue for everybody ... young families especially. But like anything we'll adapt to the change and find that it was nothing to worry about. People hate change. If we had no rink before this and were building a rink to get a new Q team, people wouldn't be upset ... they'd just be excited by the new facility and new entertainment opportunity. But they got use to the Coliseum and don't want to change the convenience of the giant parking lot. Some people will adapt and others will stop going. This is after the "new rink" excitement wears off. The Coliseum is actually convenient for somebody who doesn't like to walk far, anybody that isn't showing up 10-15 minutes before can usually park within 200-300 feet of the building. It's inconvenient for those without a vehicle, but STH of a major Jr team are not usually people with no vehicle. |
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Post by npsh on Oct 29, 2017 10:18:57 GMT -4
No I think it is an issue for everybody ... young families especially. But like anything we'll adapt to the change and find that it was nothing to worry about. People hate change. If we had no rink before this and were building a rink to get a new Q team, people wouldn't be upset ... they'd just be excited by the new facility and new entertainment opportunity. But they got use to the Coliseum and don't want to change the convenience of the giant parking lot. Some people will adapt and others will stop going. This is after the "new rink" excitement wears off. The Coliseum is actually convenient for somebody who doesn't like to walk far, anybody that isn't showing up 10-15 minutes before can usually park within 200-300 feet of the building. It's inconvenient for those without a vehicle, but STH of a major Jr team are not usually people with no vehicle. Another issue that may have consequences is the increased cost of STH, combined with parking issues will certainly have a bearing on the total STH. It will be one more complexity to the whole equation |
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Oct 30, 2017 8:19:06 GMT -4
Post by SteveUL on Oct 30, 2017 8:19:06 GMT -4
Walking 10 mins in winter doesn't seem realistic ? 1st ... you're a lazy fuck if that is your opinion. You live in Canada. 2nd ... There are many places to park inside of a 10 min walk near to the new facility. Get there early to get a closer spot. 3rd ... some areas of our Coliseum parking lot can take 10 mins to walk to when the game is letting out and cars are going everywhere. 4th ... people are so opposed to change until they actually try it out. Then they find out there was nothing to worry about. This will not be a big deal ... but social media fear mongering won't help it. 5th ... with minimal effort, I have made arrangements already for parking in two areas that are about a 5 min walk or less. 6th ... I walk my dog 3 times a day in the winter and each walk is about 15 mins ... I don't did and I don't fear for my survival. 7th ... bring a touque Not sure if you're shit disturbing or even if you live on the same planet. The die hard 1,500 wildcat fans would walk 30 minutes in a snowstorm to a game, that's a non issue. The other 2,000-4,000 that are not the 10-15 year fans that are always there, WILL NOT all stay or show up at the same rate or not at all if they have to park 10-15 minutes away and walk. This is reality. People live in the age of convenience and maybe they are generally lazy, but they are your client base if you're the Wildcats. Reality is that getting dressed up to walk your dog is much different than getting dressed up to go to a hockey game. Nobody wants to sit in a warm building for 3 hours in longjohns, big boots, a parka, tuque and big gloves. Some have kids, are older or less mobile. The current walk to the Coliseum is a 2 minute walk for most. Maybe as much as 5 minutes when it's full...and some will avoid the walk/drive when it's cold/rainy/storming. If they have no plan to upgrade the current parking situation, it will cost them fans once the 1st year "newness" wears off. You are the one shit disturbing by being so negative about something that has not even happened yet. It isn't even a problem yet. The City's approach to this is that there is plenty of parking in the downtown area for the 9500 seat facility. They have provided the parking that is needed. But the Wildcats may suffer somewhat from there not being ample parking nearby ... say within 5 minutes. The way I see it is that it is now up to the Wildcats to work hard to identify parking options nearby. That may be private lots (businesses) willing to sell a season pass for game night parking. The City has identified the public parking areas. It isn't their job anymore to help the Wildcats find parking for their customers. Event night parking can become a business opportunity for some people that have space on their property. I'll say it again ... a parking garage is the worst idea as it will sit empty for 6 months of the year, unless you put it closer to the Lutz to Assumption stretch. If its down there then it is a "10 minute walk away". I don't dress like I'm on an arctic expedition when I walk the dog in the winter. No longjohns ... no big heavy boots (unless it is a snow storm) ... I do wear a parka if it is particularly cold and windy ... I wear a toque and a scarf ... and regular leather gloves. I wear the same thing when I go to a game on a very cold and windy night at the Coliseum. I don't wear anything different to walk the dog than I would just going to a game. It has always been a hassle to have a heavy coat at your seat ... I take mine off but it does get in the way ... but that's the case at the Coliseum also. The gloves fit in my pockets and the hat and scarf fit in the sleeve. Most Canadians are equipped for and can handle the cold and the weather we get. Nobody likes rain but we deal with it. But rain can also make for smaller walkup crowds at any location ... no fun walking across the giant parking lot in the rain either ... but we do it. Every year we lose fans ... and every year we gain fans. Lots of things affect that. The parking issue here will have an affect ... but having the rink downtown can also bring in a new group of fans who live in the downtown area but otherwise had trouble getting to the Coliseum not having a car. The location of the Coliseum has also affected attendance ... the time it takes to get out of the parking lot (not long if you know where to park) annoys people enough to stay home. We are still just under a year away from opening. I expect that a lot more information will be made available to customers as we get closer to the opening. It makes little sense now to show people where they can park in 10 months ... because they will have forgotten by the time September 2018 rolls around. Just like any big event at the concert site, the City puts out a lot of information on parking and shuttles the week before on the run up to the event. Doing it 10 months before makes no sense. The real trouble months are December to the end of February ... 3 months ... September into November are typically not an issue, and March it starts to warm up ... April and May are not an issue. We can get snow from October right into April ... and rain happens all the time ... although our weather patterns are changing and that will be a wait and see issue. If the team is playing well then most people will brave the weather to go. If they are playing poorly (rebuilding) then some will find other things to do on game nights. I think you'll probably see some STH switch from having a season ticket to having a flex pass. But it will be up to the Wildcats to make it worthwhile to go to the rink ... nobody wants to pay to go to watch a lousy team and be poorly entertained. The Wildcats have the most to lose here so they have to do there part to make it easier for the fans. I see them sitting back and relying on the City and that's not going to work. |
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Oct 30, 2017 23:18:40 GMT -4
Post by npsh on Oct 30, 2017 23:18:40 GMT -4
More than anything, I believe it’s the uncertainty that have many concerned. Let face it, the Coliseum is a dated metal barn however access is easy, free and walking is well under 5 min to either door regardless where you parked. That isn’t gonna be the case at the new facility by a long shot and as our bud the Captain said there is a nucleus of 1000-1500 give or take who will go regardless where they can park and under whatever wx conditions, then there is the rest of us. Being firmly in the rest of us camp, I(we) will not renew as a STH for 2018-19 after 14yrs, instead use flex pass or whatever is offered in that regard to see how it all goes. I bet the first operating year could be a shit show and that is the view of a good many I have talked to
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Oct 31, 2017 11:49:04 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 31, 2017 11:49:04 GMT -4
Not sure if you're shit disturbing or even if you live on the same planet. The die hard 1,500 wildcat fans would walk 30 minutes in a snowstorm to a game, that's a non issue. The other 2,000-4,000 that are not the 10-15 year fans that are always there, WILL NOT all stay or show up at the same rate or not at all if they have to park 10-15 minutes away and walk. This is reality. People live in the age of convenience and maybe they are generally lazy, but they are your client base if you're the Wildcats. Reality is that getting dressed up to walk your dog is much different than getting dressed up to go to a hockey game. Nobody wants to sit in a warm building for 3 hours in longjohns, big boots, a parka, tuque and big gloves. Some have kids, are older or less mobile. The current walk to the Coliseum is a 2 minute walk for most. Maybe as much as 5 minutes when it's full...and some will avoid the walk/drive when it's cold/rainy/storming. If they have no plan to upgrade the current parking situation, it will cost them fans once the 1st year "newness" wears off. You are the one shit disturbing by being so negative about something that has not even happened yet. It isn't even a problem yet. The City's approach to this is that there is plenty of parking in the downtown area for the 9500 seat facility. They have provided the parking that is needed. But the Wildcats may suffer somewhat from there not being ample parking nearby ... say within 5 minutes. The way I see it is that it is now up to the Wildcats to work hard to identify parking options nearby. That may be private lots (businesses) willing to sell a season pass for game night parking. The City has identified the public parking areas. It isn't their job anymore to help the Wildcats find parking for their customers. Event night parking can become a business opportunity for some people that have space on their property. I'll say it again ... a parking garage is the worst idea as it will sit empty for 6 months of the year, unless you put it closer to the Lutz to Assumption stretch. If its down there then it is a "10 minute walk away". I don't dress like I'm on an arctic expedition when I walk the dog in the winter. No longjohns ... no big heavy boots (unless it is a snow storm) ... I do wear a parka if it is particularly cold and windy ... I wear a toque and a scarf ... and regular leather gloves. I wear the same thing when I go to a game on a very cold and windy night at the Coliseum. I don't wear anything different to walk the dog than I would just going to a game. It has always been a hassle to have a heavy coat at your seat ... I take mine off but it does get in the way ... but that's the case at the Coliseum also. The gloves fit in my pockets and the hat and scarf fit in the sleeve. Most Canadians are equipped for and can handle the cold and the weather we get. Nobody likes rain but we deal with it. But rain can also make for smaller walkup crowds at any location ... no fun walking across the giant parking lot in the rain either ... but we do it. Every year we lose fans ... and every year we gain fans. Lots of things affect that. The parking issue here will have an affect ... but having the rink downtown can also bring in a new group of fans who live in the downtown area but otherwise had trouble getting to the Coliseum not having a car. The location of the Coliseum has also affected attendance ... the time it takes to get out of the parking lot (not long if you know where to park) annoys people enough to stay home. We are still just under a year away from opening. I expect that a lot more information will be made available to customers as we get closer to the opening. It makes little sense now to show people where they can park in 10 months ... because they will have forgotten by the time September 2018 rolls around. Just like any big event at the concert site, the City puts out a lot of information on parking and shuttles the week before on the run up to the event. Doing it 10 months before makes no sense. The real trouble months are December to the end of February ... 3 months ... September into November are typically not an issue, and March it starts to warm up ... April and May are not an issue. We can get snow from October right into April ... and rain happens all the time ... although our weather patterns are changing and that will be a wait and see issue. If the team is playing well then most people will brave the weather to go. If they are playing poorly (rebuilding) then some will find other things to do on game nights. I think you'll probably see some STH switch from having a season ticket to having a flex pass. But it will be up to the Wildcats to make it worthwhile to go to the rink ... nobody wants to pay to go to watch a lousy team and be poorly entertained. The Wildcats have the most to lose here so they have to do there part to make it easier for the fans. I see them sitting back and relying on the City and that's not going to work. I'm not shit disturbing at all. I'm just posting what I have heard from all the folks that I know that go to wildcat games on a regular basis or occasionally. |
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Oct 31, 2017 11:53:42 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 31, 2017 11:53:42 GMT -4
More than anything, I believe it’s the uncertainty that have many concerned. Let face it, the Coliseum is a dated metal barn however access is easy, free and walking is well under 5 min to either door regardless where you parked. That isn’t gonna be the case at the new facility by a long shot and as our bud the Captain said there is a nucleus of 1000-1500 give or take who will go regardless where they can park and under whatever wx conditions, then there is the rest of us. Being firmly in the rest of us camp, I(we) will not renew as a STH for 2018-19 after 14yrs, instead use flex pass or whatever is offered in that regard to see how it all goes. I bet the first operating year could be a shit show and that is the view of a good many I have talked to One part that was not brought up in terms of parking is that in the Coliseum, you may have to drive for 1-2 minutes to find a spot, even for really highly attended games. If you have parking scattered throughout the downtown core, some will have to drive around 5-10 minutes to find it, that's another inconvenience that nobody had brought up. have to remember that some folks don't need a big excuse to stay home, especially in non contending years...if you are undecided about going to a game and it's cold/windy/rainy and you are uncertain about parking and assume you have a 5-10 or 15 minute walk(for the elderly, those with kids) that might make the decision for you. Parking more than 2-3 blocks away is REALLY inconvenient for the vast majority of fans. finding a spot then going to the rink. |
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Oct 31, 2017 13:12:34 GMT -4
Post by ronmac on Oct 31, 2017 13:12:34 GMT -4
More than anything, I believe it’s the uncertainty that have many concerned. Let face it, the Coliseum is a dated metal barn however access is easy, free and walking is well under 5 min to either door regardless where you parked. That isn’t gonna be the case at the new facility by a long shot and as our bud the Captain said there is a nucleus of 1000-1500 give or take who will go regardless where they can park and under whatever wx conditions, then there is the rest of us. Being firmly in the rest of us camp, I(we) will not renew as a STH for 2018-19 after 14yrs, instead use flex pass or whatever is offered in that regard to see how it all goes. I bet the first operating year could be a shit show and that is the view of a good many I have talked to One part that was not brought up in terms of parking is that in the Coliseum, you may have to drive for 1-2 minutes to find a spot, even for really highly attended games. If you have parking scattered throughout the downtown core, some will have to drive around 5-10 minutes to find it, that's another inconvenience that nobody had brought up. have to remember that some folks don't need a big excuse to stay home, especially in non contending years...if you are undecided about going to a game and it's cold/windy/rainy and you are uncertain about parking and assume you have a 5-10 or 15 minute walk(for the elderly, those with kids) that might make the decision for you. Parking more than 2-3 blocks away is REALLY inconvenient for the vast majority of fans. finding a spot then going to the rink. Totally agree with your thoughts. |
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Oct 31, 2017 13:54:40 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Oct 31, 2017 13:54:40 GMT -4
More than anything, I believe it’s the uncertainty that have many concerned. Let face it, the Coliseum is a dated metal barn however access is easy, free and walking is well under 5 min to either door regardless where you parked. That isn’t gonna be the case at the new facility by a long shot and as our bud the Captain said there is a nucleus of 1000-1500 give or take who will go regardless where they can park and under whatever wx conditions, then there is the rest of us. Being firmly in the rest of us camp, I(we) will not renew as a STH for 2018-19 after 14yrs, instead use flex pass or whatever is offered in that regard to see how it all goes. I bet the first operating year could be a shit show and that is the view of a good many I have talked to One part that was not brought up in terms of parking is that in the Coliseum, you may have to drive for 1-2 minutes to find a spot, even for really highly attended games. If you have parking scattered throughout the downtown core, some will have to drive around 5-10 minutes to find it, that's another inconvenience that nobody had brought up. have to remember that some folks don't need a big excuse to stay home, especially in non contending years...if you are undecided about going to a game and it's cold/windy/rainy and you are uncertain about parking and assume you have a 5-10 or 15 minute walk(for the elderly, those with kids) that might make the decision for you. Parking more than 2-3 blocks away is REALLY inconvenient for the vast majority of fans. finding a spot then going to the rink. That's the point of locating a rink downtown. People will go downtown earlier to grab a spot (especially on a weekend) and spend $$$$. This was always going to be a problem from the beginning. Older fans who decide its inconvenient will be replaced by younger fans who enjoy the atmosphere. You can't solve every problem for everyone. The current atmosphere also keeps fans away that want the type of experience you have in SJ or HAL. Those fans spend more money than the retired couple who shows up every home game and doesn't spend a dime. Some things solve themselves through adaptation, not every problem needs fixed by the government or a corporation. Maybe a savvy business person develops an ride service through an app and finds a way to solve peoples problems & make money. Sometimes the market finds a way to fix a problem & make money. |
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Oct 31, 2017 13:59:36 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 31, 2017 13:59:36 GMT -4
One part that was not brought up in terms of parking is that in the Coliseum, you may have to drive for 1-2 minutes to find a spot, even for really highly attended games. If you have parking scattered throughout the downtown core, some will have to drive around 5-10 minutes to find it, that's another inconvenience that nobody had brought up. have to remember that some folks don't need a big excuse to stay home, especially in non contending years...if you are undecided about going to a game and it's cold/windy/rainy and you are uncertain about parking and assume you have a 5-10 or 15 minute walk(for the elderly, those with kids) that might make the decision for you. Parking more than 2-3 blocks away is REALLY inconvenient for the vast majority of fans. finding a spot then going to the rink. That's the point of locating a rink downtown. People will go downtown earlier to grab a spot (especially on a weekend) and spend $$$$. This was always going to be a problem from the beginning. Older fans who decide its inconvenient will be replaced by younger fans who enjoy the atmosphere. You can't solve every problem for everyone. The current atmosphere also keeps fans away that want the type of experience you have in SJ or HAL. Those fans spend more money than the retired couple who shows up every home game and doesn't spend a dime. Some things solve themselves through adaptation, not every problem needs fixed by the government or a corporation. Maybe a savvy business person develops an ride service through an app and finds a way to solve peoples problems & make money. Sometimes the market finds a way to fix a problem & make money. The issue from a team standpoint is, the older crowd has the time and disposable income. The younger ones who may go downtown probably won't do it 34-40 nights a year, they will go 4-5 times and won't buy season tickets. An obvious solution is for somebody to build a parking structure that can both service the people working downtown 8-5pm and also the people going to events at the new events center. The city should be trying to facilitate this as it makes their building more attractive long term. |
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Oct 31, 2017 14:19:38 GMT -4
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Post by jimmy on Oct 31, 2017 14:19:38 GMT -4
An obvious solution is for somebody to build a parking structure that can both service the people working downtown 8-5pm and also the people going to events at the new events center. The city should be trying to facilitate this as it makes their building more attractive long term. For all we know, the City may be trying to facilitate someone building a parking garage - but until it is confirmed, they gain nothing by trashing the status quo as they have to make the best of it for the time being. From what I understand of parking facilities, the current market rate for parking in downtown Moncton for monthly permit holders does not allow for one to be built and operated at a profit. Not sure how much incremental revenue from evenings and weekends you would need to make it viable ... but it would be somewhat risky as it would be a capital intensive investment. The other issue is that there is currently sufficient day time parking to service the market ... so spending millions on a new structure does not seem wise. The market will dictate whether or not a garage gets built ... not the City, nor the Wildcats ... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 14:22:46 GMT -4
What you are all missing is that the intent has never been to have people drive downtown to a parkade then go directly to the rink. The plan has always been to use existing side streets and parking on game nights. The point of moving the rink downtown is to increase traffic and improve business in the area. It has worked in other cities...Moncton is no different. We don’t live in an arctic vortex with deadly cold.. it is difficult to make an outdoor rink stay frozen in your yard now. Besides it is Canada winter comes with the citizenship.
If you want to park close you have to get there early...just like any other venue.
The venue is not just a hockey rink there will be many more events that draw more people than the Wildcats.
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Oct 31, 2017 19:37:57 GMT -4
Post by npsh on Oct 31, 2017 19:37:57 GMT -4
"The venue is not just a hockey rink there will be many more events that draw more people than the Wildcats."
Yes that is true but the topic here concerns Wildcats hockey. I stand by my view the static STH base is gonna take a hit next year, by how much who can say. Whether that will be filled by new STHs, I somehow doubt it. Yes, perhaps we have been spoiled at the old barn with easy access and free parking and the new reality starting 2018-19 is here so adjustments are required if one wants to see Wildcat hockey. I did hear from a close source Irving hasn't signed anything yet in regards to new facility so one assumes they have issues that need to be ironed out, guess next 6 months will be interesting.
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Oct 31, 2017 20:09:54 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Oct 31, 2017 20:09:54 GMT -4
"The venue is not just a hockey rink there will be many more events that draw more people than the Wildcats." Yes that is true but the topic here concerns Wildcats hockey. I stand by my view the static STH base is gonna take a hit next year, by how much who can say. Whether that will be filled by new STHs, I somehow doubt it. Yes, perhaps we have been spoiled at the old barn with easy access and free parking and the new reality starting 2018-19 is here so adjustments are required if one wants to see Wildcat hockey. I did hear from a close source Irving hasn't signed anything yet in regards to new facility so one assumes they have issues that need to be ironed out, guess next 6 months will be interesting. Well considering they've already made an agreement for leasehold improvements I would think there's just a few other things they are negotiating to finalize the deal. I'd imagine Irving is attempting to negotiate himself into concessions. In this case though they have a world class company running the facility in SMG (who runs professional arenas across the globe including Madison Square Garden) & they might not get pushed around by Irving. The deal will get made one way or another. |
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Oct 31, 2017 22:07:18 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 22:07:18 GMT -4
"The venue is not just a hockey rink there will be many more events that draw more people than the Wildcats." Yes that is true but the topic here concerns Wildcats hockey. I stand by my view the static STH base is gonna take a hit next year, by how much who can say. Whether that will be filled by new STHs, I somehow doubt it. Yes, perhaps we have been spoiled at the old barn with easy access and free parking and the new reality starting 2018-19 is here so adjustments are required if one wants to see Wildcat hockey. I did hear from a close source Irving hasn't signed anything yet in regards to new facility so one assumes they have issues that need to be ironed out, guess next 6 months will be interesting. I wonder how many STH will be offset by increased corporate seats more walk up seats. New fans... As the team rebuilds more fans will come and the venue will make it the place to be. If the changing of the arena stops you from coming to a game maybe you were not that big a fan. I must also point out you all post the same thing when they change game time...raise a price or change the colour of slushies at the concession stand. People still go... We are not talking about a crowd of 25k we are talking about 1500 to 3000 people most games and 6000 for special games. It works in other cities...Moncton is no different. |
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Nov 1, 2017 0:34:03 GMT -4
How much is parking in a Garage from 6:30pm to 10:00pm? Also aren't metered parking spaces free during this time? Also how much is a parking ticket if you get confused by snow banks etc? Let's deal with the facts.
For me, I want parking very close to free as the ticket is already expensive. I don't mind walking but I want to know the downtown opportunists aren't breaking into my car while I'm at the game. If happens even once I would think before going again.
90% of Wildcats fans are lazier have less disposable money than me so if this turns into a slug, is too expensive, or a pain in the ass than all the shaming in the world isn't going to change the fact that I won't return especially for the 90% of the games which have very little on the table. If I'm not going than lots of me are not going either. Lets hope its free and reasonably easy to find spaces.
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