Parking

[Jack Bauer]

Nov 7, 2017 16:57:12 GMT -4 npsh said:

Nov 7, 2017 11:18:41 GMT -4 Jack Bauer said:

Any demographic shift to younger or more corporate due to location will only lead to increased revenues over time.

Fact is the older generation hesitant to change are the ones who will miss out but catering to them would be the death of the team anyway as they resist any and all evolution and change as you're seeing here.

There should be minor issues in building a new rink and moving into it. These complaints over parking are laughable. I've gone to many events in Halifax at the Scotiabank Center. I drove my car to Halifax for them all but never actually took my car to the event. You can't have the nice big downtown rink AND have all the parking that goes with an older rink outside the downtown core with more land available.

And history tells me you benefit a lot more from the downtown rink and all that comes with it in terms of increased foot traffic, more people out and about taking in a game, and for many more accessible as they live in the downtown area in some cases.

It's not near the negative and insult to "long time ticket holders" as some would make it seem. Unfortunately your season ticket purchase rolls over every year and entitled you to nothing moving forward beyond picking your favorite seat.

Very hard for me to argue against your commentary Jack. The new Centre is here, parking and associated costs for that along with increase price for the STH seat(s) is part of it all. Either get on board or if the situation isn't to one liking under specific circumstances(weather) then stay away. Choice is 50/50 go or stay home.It will be quite interesting to see how the WC Mgt will approach the STH base as those(regardless of age) are the ones that pay upfront, committed and attend on a regular basis.

I am sure a part of the move to the new building is the marketing team being told to assume to not be able to retain a certain % due to the logistics but to work on getting more corporate tickets sold to make up for it.

Complainers are going to complain. But the team will likely quickly move on from them because as you say the decisions have already been made so support it or not but you need to let it go at some points if its an obstacle you can't overcome. That's life for everyone with almost every change.

[lirette]

Nov 7, 2017 17:03:10 GMT -4 Jack Bauer said:

Nov 7, 2017 16:57:12 GMT -4 npsh said:

Very hard for me to argue against your commentary Jack. The new Centre is here, parking and associated costs for that along with increase price for the STH seat(s) is part of it all. Either get on board or if the situation isn't to one liking under specific circumstances(weather) then stay away. Choice is 50/50 go or stay home.It will be quite interesting to see how the WC Mgt will approach the STH base as those(regardless of age) are the ones that pay upfront, committed and attend on a regular basis.

I am sure a part of the move to the new building is the marketing team being told to assume to not be able to retain a certain % due to the logistics but to work on getting more corporate tickets sold to make up for it.

Complainers are going to complain. But the team will likely quickly move on from them because as you say the decisions have already been made so support it or not but you need to let it go at some points if its an obstacle you can't overcome. That's life for everyone with almost every change.

They also haven't released any details on the club seats yet (approx 800 seats). Club seats are bigger, more comfortable, have access to a private bar/event area and maybe seat service for food and drinks? There is a possibility that paying the extra fee's involved in these seats could also come with a dedicated parking area if the Wildcats are able to negotiate one. Certainly some folks won't be able to afford these, but one thing that the market has realized is that people are willing to pay for convenience. There's proof to that every year in Moncton with the growing number of folks paying 400-500 a year for a tractor to come clear there driveway so its taken care of before they leave for work. Lots of folks are ditching their already paid for snowblowers in favor of this.

There is a growing business community in the downtown, lots of tech startups, law firms, offices who have corporate types that would be interested in this type of thing. For some people its a "status". This opportunity did not exist in the coliseum previously, no way to really separate yourself from the regular folks aside from having season seats.

[ronmac]

I believe this city council missed the opportunity to build this city for the future, did you ever hear tell of Old Montreal or Old Quebec City, they were small and old parts of the city with no real chance for future growth expansion, so they build a new downtown, they could have placed the new arena any where in this city and development would have followed, downtown Moncton there is almost nothing left to expand. to old too small build for the future not for 10 years.

[lirette]

Nov 7, 2017 19:32:29 GMT -4 ronmac said:

I believe this city council missed the opportunity to build this city for the future, did you ever hear tell of Old Montreal or Old Quebec City, they were small and old parts of the city with no real chance for future growth expansion, so they build a new downtown, they could have placed the new arena any where in this city and development would have followed, downtown Moncton there is almost nothing left to expand. to old too small build for the future not for 10 years.

What you seem to be unable to understand is that development is already following. The downtown is where major projects are happening. Tannery Village, FiveFive Condo's, St James Gate Expansion, Downing Street, Major investments in the Riverfront Park, St George street improvements including new retail businesses and restaurants. A new 10 story hotel just got a greenlight from council further down main st near the mall. Even looking further back to the Residence Inn Marriot going in or the tide & boar opening. This is exactly how a city grows. Downtown is more than just main street now. Talking to people who are older than me downtown Moncton was a ghost town 20 years ago. It has come a long way. The summer is now lined up with festivals nearly every weekend from June to September & Moncton has been boasting the best hotel occupanccy rates the maritimes have ever seen.

You really need to do some more research instead of continuing to post the same thing over & over. Comparing Moncton to Quebec (5X population) or Montreal (15X) population makes zero sense.

[SteveUL]

The Wildcats are asking their STH to participate in a survey on parking ...

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[Rocky Saganiuk]

I think that it would be a complete waste of accessible parking to not offer a transit shuttle service from the Coliseum. It's 5-10 minutes away, will greatly alleviate traffic congestion and make use of an already paid for parking area that is in fantastic condition. I'd much rather invest parking money in an environmentally friendly option such as a shuttle service than driving around looking for parking and sitting in traffic to get out.

I'd be willing to pay for a season shuttle pass rather than continuously dropping coins in a meter or worrying about what the hell I'm going to do when playoff games go to double overtime and my 4 hours is up.

As a matter of fact, on weekends, I'd be much more likely to go to a bar after the game knowing that my car is parked at the coliseum, take a taxi home and pick up my non-booted car in the morning.

[lirette]

Nov 15, 2017 18:16:01 GMT -4 Rocky Saganiuk said:

I think that it would be a complete waste of accessible parking to not offer a transit shuttle service from the Coliseum. It's 5-10 minutes away, will greatly alleviate traffic congestion and make use of an already paid for parking area that is in fantastic condition. I'd much rather invest parking money in an environmentally friendly option such as a shuttle service than driving around looking for parking and sitting in traffic to get out.

I'd be willing to pay for a season shuttle pass rather than continuously dropping coins in a meter or worrying about what the hell I'm going to do when playoff games go to double overtime and my 4 hours is up.

As a matter of fact, on weekends, I'd be much more likely to go to a bar after the game knowing that my car is parked at the coliseum, take a taxi home and pick up my non-booted car in the morning.

If they do that they absolutely need to ensure they are paying a few security guards to monitor the lot at the coliseum still. Having an unwatched lot with hundreds of cars is asking for theft. Other than that it is a good idea, but I don't think it will be necessary for standard early season wildcat games. Although its hard to say yet how the newness of the building will impact crowds early in the year compared to what we usually see. Safe to say if they have 2 games with a home opener weekend those will be sellouts. Moncton loves big events and new shiny things..but after that is a Wednesday night game in October against Valdor drawing 6000+ fans suddenly? Im guessing No.

Big events and crowds of 5000+ this would be a good service to offer..I think people really exaggerate just how many cars are parked at a typical cats game in their head.

[kuba]

It is estimated that 2.4 people travel together to a major event . If the average attendance increases to 5,000 , then you would need approximately 2,100 parking spaces . This demand will be met within a 5-6 minute walking range . ( this includes the lots on Foundary , Albert and lots off of Vaughan Harvey Blvd. ) . This does not take into consideration the fans who will be travelling by Bus and the many fans who will be staying in the major hotels in the downtown . Currently , they need to travel by car or taxi , but with the new DTC , they will be walking from their Hotel .

[npsh]

Nov 15, 2017 9:36:52 GMT -4 SteveUL said:

The Wildcats are asking their STH to participate in a survey on parking ...

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Wildcats Front Office Management are probably getting wind of rumblings amongst the current STH base as it relates to parking and associated potential costs judging from the questions being asked. The questionnaire is quite specific.

[SteveUL]

Nov 15, 2017 18:16:01 GMT -4 Rocky Saganiuk said:

I think that it would be a complete waste of accessible parking to not offer a transit shuttle service from the Coliseum. It's 5-10 minutes away, will greatly alleviate traffic congestion and make use of an already paid for parking area that is in fantastic condition. I'd much rather invest parking money in an environmentally friendly option such as a shuttle service than driving around looking for parking and sitting in traffic to get out.

I'd be willing to pay for a season shuttle pass rather than continuously dropping coins in a meter or worrying about what the hell I'm going to do when playoff games go to double overtime and my 4 hours is up.

As a matter of fact, on weekends, I'd be much more likely to go to a bar after the game knowing that my car is parked at the coliseum, take a taxi home and pick up my non-booted car in the morning.

That would be a 15 minute shuttle drive minimum ... each way. And it will be caught in the traffic of everybody leaving at the same time as well ... although I think that traffic will be minor. Plus ... if you miss the first shuttle, you probably have to wait for it to return (30 mins round trip) because I doubt they run two shuttles. I doubt many would use this type of service, but a demand may be there initially as fans figure out what they'll do on each game day.

Much of the downtown has new parking meters that you can connect to with an app and put more money in online. The City may have to expand the area that has these parking meters. I am never sure of the on-street parking rules though ... but I think you have to pay to park on the street (at a meter) during the day until 6:00 PM, and after that it is free. During weekends I believe that on-street parking is free, as are some City parking lots. That should cover all potential game times and overtime scenarios such that on street parking is free ... and no concern for adding money to a meter.

The traffic issue after a game will be minor. At the Coliseum it is a minor inconvenience after the game as everybody is leaving at once. In the downtown the fans will be spread out more and have the option of departing in many different directions and so you'll see less congestion. It depends on where you live in which direction you'll want to head to get out of the downtown. Riverview residents will either go over the bridge, or head towards the causeway ... two different directions. Dieppe residents will mostly head down Main Street or some of the side streets ... people will figure out what works best for them.

[Captain Obvious]

Nov 16, 2017 9:16:05 GMT -4 SteveUL said:

Nov 15, 2017 18:16:01 GMT -4 Rocky Saganiuk said:

I think that it would be a complete waste of accessible parking to not offer a transit shuttle service from the Coliseum. It's 5-10 minutes away, will greatly alleviate traffic congestion and make use of an already paid for parking area that is in fantastic condition. I'd much rather invest parking money in an environmentally friendly option such as a shuttle service than driving around looking for parking and sitting in traffic to get out.

I'd be willing to pay for a season shuttle pass rather than continuously dropping coins in a meter or worrying about what the hell I'm going to do when playoff games go to double overtime and my 4 hours is up.

As a matter of fact, on weekends, I'd be much more likely to go to a bar after the game knowing that my car is parked at the coliseum, take a taxi home and pick up my non-booted car in the morning.

That would be a 15 minute shuttle drive minimum ... each way. And it will be caught in the traffic of everybody leaving at the same time as well ... although I think that traffic will be minor. Plus ... if you miss the first shuttle, you probably have to wait for it to return (30 mins round trip) because I doubt they run two shuttles. I doubt many would use this type of service, but a demand may be there initially as fans figure out what they'll do on each game day.

Much of the downtown has new parking meters that you can connect to with an app and put more money in online. The City may have to expand the area that has these parking meters. I am never sure of the on-street parking rules though ... but I think you have to pay to park on the street (at a meter) during the day until 6:00 PM, and after that it is free. During weekends I believe that on-street parking is free, as are some City parking lots. That should cover all potential game times and overtime scenarios such that on street parking is free ... and no concern for adding money to a meter.

The traffic issue after a game will be minor. At the Coliseum it is a minor inconvenience after the game as everybody is leaving at once. In the downtown the fans will be spread out more and have the option of departing in many different directions and so you'll see less congestion. It depends on where you live in which direction you'll want to head to get out of the downtown. Riverview residents will either go over the bridge, or head towards the causeway ... two different directions. Dieppe residents will mostly head down Main Street or some of the side streets ... people will figure out what works best for them.

Going towards Riverview and West main the traffic should be ok, going towards the East and Dieppe, it likely gets bogged down a bit on Main, Queen and St.george...but there is no realistic way around this. It's part of having a building downtown.

[SteveUL]

Nov 16, 2017 9:40:19 GMT -4 Captain Obvious said:

Nov 16, 2017 9:16:05 GMT -4 SteveUL said:

That would be a 15 minute shuttle drive minimum ... each way. And it will be caught in the traffic of everybody leaving at the same time as well ... although I think that traffic will be minor. Plus ... if you miss the first shuttle, you probably have to wait for it to return (30 mins round trip) because I doubt they run two shuttles. I doubt many would use this type of service, but a demand may be there initially as fans figure out what they'll do on each game day.

Much of the downtown has new parking meters that you can connect to with an app and put more money in online. The City may have to expand the area that has these parking meters. I am never sure of the on-street parking rules though ... but I think you have to pay to park on the street (at a meter) during the day until 6:00 PM, and after that it is free. During weekends I believe that on-street parking is free, as are some City parking lots. That should cover all potential game times and overtime scenarios such that on street parking is free ... and no concern for adding money to a meter.

The traffic issue after a game will be minor. At the Coliseum it is a minor inconvenience after the game as everybody is leaving at once. In the downtown the fans will be spread out more and have the option of departing in many different directions and so you'll see less congestion. It depends on where you live in which direction you'll want to head to get out of the downtown. Riverview residents will either go over the bridge, or head towards the causeway ... two different directions. Dieppe residents will mostly head down Main Street or some of the side streets ... people will figure out what works best for them.

Going towards Riverview and West main the traffic should be ok, going towards the East and Dieppe, it likely gets bogged down a bit on Main, Queen and St.george...but there is no realistic way around this. It's part of having a building downtown.

Traffic is a minor issue ... it typically will be heavy for 15 minutes and then thins out quickly. It is all part of growth. Most nights we are looking at 4500 fans ... if numbers stay the same ... and that's about 2000 vehicles typically. You may start to see people car pooling to save on parking costs. There will be an abrupt glut of traffic for a few minutes, and then it will be gone. You are sitting in your car by then though ... not out in the weather.

[kuba]

You only have to look at the Santa Claus Parade , Canada Day Celebrations and the Atlantic Nationals as examples of how it might work smoothly. All of these Events attract far more than 10,000 and also have some Road blockages of some major arteries, but it always seems to workout somehow . Not only will the average attendance for Events at the new DTC be under 10K for the most part , but all streets will be unrestricted and traffic will disperse smoothly in all directions .

[npsh]

There is a great amount of uncertainty amongst the current crop of the STH base, that I do know. It will be quite interesting to see how it all unfolds as this last Coliseum season progresses.

[Captain Obvious]

Nov 16, 2017 9:56:47 GMT -4 kuba said:

You only have to look at the Santa Claus Parade , Canada Day Celebrations and the Atlantic Nationals as examples of how it might work smoothly. All of these Events attract far more than 10,000 and also have some Road blockages of some major arteries, but it always seems to workout somehow . Not only will the average attendance for Events at the new DTC be under 10K for the most part , but all streets will be unrestricted and traffic will disperse smoothly in all directions .

Those are one off events and people expect that it's slow to leave and get home. It will be an adjustment for people used to getting home in 15 minutes at the Coliseum. Unlike parking, I think traffic is something that there is no easy solution.