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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 14, 2018 8:00:22 GMT -4
Mama says two teams are going for it and you can always sell him for what we paid for him. There isn't many stud 19 or 20 year old defensemen. We knew that when we acquired him. Right now if it isn't panning out for MemCup, we have many high end assets to trade. Good problem to have mama says. The problem is that he doesn't look like a stud d-man. |
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Post by jimmy on Feb 14, 2018 8:59:48 GMT -4
Mama says two teams are going for it and you can always sell him for what we paid for him. There isn't many stud 19 or 20 year old defensemen. We knew that when we acquired him. Right now if it isn't panning out for MemCup, we have many high end assets to trade. Good problem to have mama says. The problem is that he doesn't look like a stud d-man. The market for 20 year old d-men who don't produce much offense tends to be pretty limited, both at the draft and at Xmas. Can anyone think of an example of a similar player who generated the equivalent of a 1st and 2nd in trade value as a 20 year old? Shannon got tunnel vision on one player, and overpaid for him, from my perspective. |
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Feb 14, 2018 9:13:01 GMT -4
They will need to drop LeCoultre, pick and an impact Euro defender. Add a 20 year old like Gregoire/Green and add a secondary 19 year old like Keenan macIsaac.
They'll need to use most of their assets to add blueline help..
Gregoire - Sylvestre
MacIsaac - Euro
Aspirot - FA
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 14, 2018 10:07:33 GMT -4
and you can always sell him for what we paid for him. Except that you already missed out on doing that as he will never again have the same value as he did at 19 during the last trading period. Now when you try to move him it's as a 20yr old with half the value. This isn't the NHL where players can have the same value for many years. Q players value changes drastically from season to season, especially from ages 19 to 20. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 14, 2018 10:13:57 GMT -4
and you can always sell him for what we paid for him. Except that you already missed out on doing that as he will never again have the same value as he did at 19 during the last trading period. Now when you try to move him it's as a 20yr old with half the value. This isn't the NHL where players can have the same value for many years. Q players value changes drastically from season to season, especially from ages 19 to 20. That's exactly why I hated the trade in December. Why pay twice the price for a player when you are in 14th place and you can wait 6 months and get him a lot cheaper? Shannon is terrible at asset management and get tunnel vision as somebody suggested. He did the same with the terrible Campannelli and Corson trades, overpaying for marginal talent and losing better players in the process... |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 14, 2018 12:33:46 GMT -4
Except that you already missed out on doing that as he will never again have the same value as he did at 19 during the last trading period. Now when you try to move him it's as a 20yr old with half the value. This isn't the NHL where players can have the same value for many years. Q players value changes drastically from season to season, especially from ages 19 to 20. That's exactly why I hated the trade in December. Why pay twice the price for a player when you are in 14th place and you can wait 6 months and get him a lot cheaper? Shannon is terrible at asset management and get tunnel vision as somebody suggested. He did the same with the terrible Campannelli and Corson trades, overpaying for marginal talent and losing better players in the process... Because part of your trade strategy was trying to beef up next years team as a part of the Mem Cup bidding process. You can't completely discount that even though the trade was an over payment. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 14, 2018 12:49:43 GMT -4
That's exactly why I hated the trade in December. Why pay twice the price for a player when you are in 14th place and you can wait 6 months and get him a lot cheaper? Shannon is terrible at asset management and get tunnel vision as somebody suggested. He did the same with the terrible Campannelli and Corson trades, overpaying for marginal talent and losing better players in the process... Because part of your trade strategy was trying to beef up next years team as a part of the Mem Cup bidding process. You can't completely discount that even though the trade was an over payment. The problem is that there are still 2 trade periods after the host team is announced, so there is no rush to "load up" especially when the price is unusually high. I would have no issue if they got a bargain in that deal, but it's the opposite. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 14, 2018 13:36:22 GMT -4
Because part of your trade strategy was trying to beef up next years team as a part of the Mem Cup bidding process. You can't completely discount that even though the trade was an over payment. The problem is that there are still 2 trade periods after the host team is announced, so there is no rush to "load up" especially when the price is unusually high. I would have no issue if they got a bargain in that deal, but it's the opposite. Part of the selection process is who is projected to be on the roster for next season. You wait to get a player cheaper and you can risk losing out on hosting. For a team that was at the bottom last year and wanting to host the national championship next year your owners demands of hosting put your GM in a position where he did need to rush some things this year. I agree that the timing wasn't the best and you likely don't win the right to host anyway but there was some necessity behind improving the roster for next season during this winters trade period. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 14, 2018 13:47:56 GMT -4
The problem is that there are still 2 trade periods after the host team is announced, so there is no rush to "load up" especially when the price is unusually high. I would have no issue if they got a bargain in that deal, but it's the opposite. Part of the selection process is who is projected to be on the roster for next season. You wait to get a player cheaper and you can risk losing out on hosting. For a team that was at the bottom last year and wanting to host the national championship next year your owners demands of hosting put your GM in a position where he did need to rush some things this year. I agree that the timing wasn't the best and you likely don't win the right to host anyway but there was some necessity behind improving the roster for next season during this winters trade period. I don't think getting a stay at home d-man moves the needle AT ALL in terms of who gets to host. I'm sure those on the committee have no idea who he is. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 14, 2018 13:53:04 GMT -4
Part of the selection process is who is projected to be on the roster for next season. You wait to get a player cheaper and you can risk losing out on hosting. For a team that was at the bottom last year and wanting to host the national championship next year your owners demands of hosting put your GM in a position where he did need to rush some things this year. I agree that the timing wasn't the best and you likely don't win the right to host anyway but there was some necessity behind improving the roster for next season during this winters trade period. I don't think getting a stay at home d-man moves the needle AT ALL in terms of who gets to host. I'm sure those on the committee have no idea who he is. That's a point we could argue all day but neither of us know the full extent of it. Fact is that your projected roster is a factor in the choice of who should host. Do they sit there and compare #3 dmen? I'm going to say of course not. But overall you're better for next year with him then you are a couple of draft picks or kids even if their ceiling is higher. And on the flip side if projected rosters meant nothing why don't teams like Halifax and Quebec bid every single year? Projected rosters mean something. How much can be debated forever. |
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Post by npsh on Feb 14, 2018 13:54:05 GMT -4
Plenty of idle supposition on hosting Memorial Cup 2018-19 season, it may be prudent to ratchet that discussion down a notch as it relates to next year team composition. Tossing it(hosting) into the mix for the introductory year new facility could be seen as enticement to get needed fan motivation. Personally I am sceptical about Moncton being awarded the bid but I could be full of shit. Just saying.
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Post by catzfans on Feb 14, 2018 14:00:28 GMT -4
They will need to drop LeCoultre, pick and an impact Euro defender. Add a 20 year old like Gregoire/Green and add a secondary 19 year old like Keenan macIsaac. They'll need to use most of their assets to add blueline help.. Gregoire - Sylvestre MacIsaac - Euro Aspirot - FA James Orr could be in the mix if he decides to report. Would've been nice to see if he is a real asset down the stretch this year. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 14, 2018 14:11:27 GMT -4
Plenty of idle supposition on hosting Memorial Cup 2018-19 season, it may be prudent to ratchet that discussion down a notch as it relates to next year team composition. Tossing it(hosting) into the mix for the introductory year new facility could be seen as enticement to get needed fan motivation. Personally I am sceptical about Moncton being awarded the bid but I could be full of shit. Just saying. Is there anyone who isn't skeptical about Moncton winning the bid? Believing they will win or not is a completely different debate then why they're bidding or why they're making moves this year to make their bid look better to the people deciding who should host. You can't rip them for over paying for a player without acknowledging that they likely knew it was over payment but that the move was made for a larger purpose. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Feb 14, 2018 16:56:46 GMT -4
There is talk that goalies might not count towards OA's next year...imagine that...the Cats could keep Pataki!!!
The article is coming out in AN tomorrow...
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Post by WildcatMapleLeafs on Feb 14, 2018 17:20:11 GMT -4
There is talk that goalies might not count towards OA's next year...imagine that...the Cats could keep Pataki!!! The article is coming out in AN tomorrow... Gregoire + Green would be a nice addition. |
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