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Post by Kingrat on Apr 21, 2018 8:10:04 GMT -4
never easy when a kid or his agent wants a trade
in the past LGM would get Sly to send the kid out asap with little or no return
the last few years have been a lot better in Titanville and the ones that we did not keep at least garnered some return
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Post by lirette on Apr 21, 2018 9:47:20 GMT -4
Imagine going into next season with Jaxon Bellamy & Justin Barron on the blueline... Nice thought but I doubt Barron was ever going to report here. |
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Post by jimmy on Apr 21, 2018 10:01:41 GMT -4
When you look at the big picture" it is difficult to lay all the blame on Shannon" For the current state of the team' He made some sound draft picks Then the Players and agents decide to play the NCAA game to keep their eligibility open...You would wonder why the screening process is not more stringent on what the aspirations of a player is before being entered into the Q draft pool... Who did we draft that after the fact played the NCAA card? From my memory, anyone we picked that ended up holding out had made clear before the draft that they were going NCAA, and we picked them anyway because we believed we could convince them to come. Naivety? Stupidity? Arrogance? Calculated risk? Double-crossed by a player/agent? I suspect some of all ... I am ok with the occasional calculated risk swinging for the fence on a guy who may need convincing - but you can't do it too often. |
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Apr 21, 2018 11:04:29 GMT -4
Imagine going into next season with Jaxon Bellamy & Justin Barron on the blueline... Nice thought but I doubt Barron was ever going to report here. Maybe, but if Halifax is hosting the MemCup and he would report there, then he's worth a lot to us in a trade. Nothing like getting value out of what you previously wrote off. |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Apr 21, 2018 11:12:12 GMT -4
Imagine going into next season with Jaxon Bellamy & Justin Barron on the blueline... Nice thought but I doubt Barron was ever going to report here. Exactly. Let's use his brother Morgan as an example. He was drafted by Saint John in 2015. Could have been apart of the SeaDogs championship team last season but because he wasn't Halifax property, he went the NCAA route. |
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Apr 21, 2018 12:13:23 GMT -4
Nice thought but I doubt Barron was ever going to report here. Maybe, but if Halifax is hosting the MemCup and he would report there, then he's worth a lot to us in a trade. Nothing like getting value out of what you previously wrote off. Why are we talking about a guy that won't report to Halifax and a guy that we traded? Confusing. |
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Post by archie on Apr 21, 2018 16:52:04 GMT -4
When you look at the big picture" it is difficult to lay all the blame on Shannon" For the current state of the team' He made some sound draft picks Then the Players and agents decide to play the NCAA game to keep their eligibility open...You would wonder why the screening process is not more stringent on what the aspirations of a player is before being entered into the Q draft pool... Who did we draft that after the fact played the NCAA card? From my memory, anyone we picked that ended up holding out had made clear before the draft that they were going NCAA, and we picked them anyway because we believed we could convince them to come. Naivety? Stupidity? Arrogance? Calculated risk? Double-crossed by a player/agent? I suspect some of all ... I am ok with the occasional calculated risk swinging for the fence on a guy who may need convincing - but you can't do it too often. I would say you pretty much covered it all,, I was not referring to any player' just the circumstances of the draft-and Shannon like the rest of the GM"s was exposed to that element of the draft |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 21, 2018 23:35:41 GMT -4
When you look at the big picture" it is difficult to lay all the blame on Shannon" For the current state of the team' He made some sound draft picks Then the Players and agents decide to play the NCAA game to keep their eligibility open...You would wonder why the screening process is not more stringent on what the aspirations of a player is before being entered into the Q draft pool... That is the GM's job! ...to screen out which players will come and won't come. What Shannon deserves blame for: -constantly trading down in the draft, gets 2 mediocre players and 2 no shows instead of two top 4 d-men -whiffing on guys(MacDonald) then turning around and completely overpaying -all around bad drafting, either guys that can't play, come from freaking high school(!!!!) or won't report. -starting out with a bunch of early picks in June and only Pelletier being a full time Q guys, thatnks to poor asset management |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 21, 2018 23:37:08 GMT -4
When you look at the big picture" it is difficult to lay all the blame on Shannon" For the current state of the team' He made some sound draft picks Then the Players and agents decide to play the NCAA game to keep their eligibility open...You would wonder why the screening process is not more stringent on what the aspirations of a player is before being entered into the Q draft pool... Who did we draft that after the fact played the NCAA card? From my memory, anyone we picked that ended up holding out had made clear before the draft that they were going NCAA, and we picked them anyway because we believed we could convince them to come. Naivety? Stupidity? Arrogance? Calculated risk? Double-crossed by a player/agent? I suspect some of all ... I am ok with the occasional calculated risk swinging for the fence on a guy who may need convincing - but you can't do it too often. Plus, you can't do it too early with good players still on the board...if you pick Jacques early 2nd, he better damn well report... |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Apr 22, 2018 16:20:25 GMT -4
Darrell Young's name has been brought up. Locally, who would you consider a solid hire to take over as Wildcats GM?
Have to wonder if Dave Cameron will throw his name in the hat. He was let go as Calgary Flames assistant coach this week. Ritchie Thibeau is an Amateur Scout for the Flames. There's a connection.
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Post by joehockey on Apr 22, 2018 16:58:40 GMT -4
Darrell Young's name has been brought up. Locally, who would you consider a solid hire to take over as Wildcats GM? Have to wonder if Dave Cameron will throw his name in the hat. He was let go as Calgary Flames assistant coach this week. Ritchie Thibeau is an Amateur Scout for the Flames. There's a connection. Cameron would be interesting and would seem to go back to the wildcats having a bigger name coach running the franchise. Does he have experience as a GM? Would he be willing to come back to Junior |
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Post by WhiteTyAffair on Apr 22, 2018 17:06:24 GMT -4
Darrell Young's name has been brought up. Locally, who would you consider a solid hire to take over as Wildcats GM? Have to wonder if Dave Cameron will throw his name in the hat. He was let go as Calgary Flames assistant coach this week. Ritchie Thibeau is an Amateur Scout for the Flames. There's a connection. Cameron would be interesting and would seem to go back to the wildcats having a bigger name coach running the franchise. Does he have experience as a GM? Would he be willing to come back to Junior Yes. He was Head Coach and GM of Sault Ste Marie from 1997-1999. Held the same positions with the Toronto St. Mikes Majors from 2000-2004 then from 2007-2011. |
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Post by joehockey on Apr 22, 2018 17:12:50 GMT -4
Cameron would be interesting and would seem to go back to the wildcats having a bigger name coach running the franchise. Does he have experience as a GM? Would he be willing to come back to Junior Yes. He was Head Coach and GM of Sault Ste Marie from 1997-1999. Held the same positions with the Toronto St. Mikes Majors from 2000-2004 then from 2007-2011. If Moncton had won the bid for the memorial cup he would definitely make sense since it would give him the opportunity to be back on the national stage and have an opportunity to get back the NHL quick. Kind of like a Ted Nolan situation. I just wonder whether he would be willing to come back to Junior for an extended period of time and whether he would prefer to be in Ontario since he hasn't coached in the maritimes for over 20 years. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 23, 2018 8:15:43 GMT -4
Darrell Young's name has been brought up. Locally, who would you consider a solid hire to take over as Wildcats GM? Have to wonder if Dave Cameron will throw his name in the hat. He was let go as Calgary Flames assistant coach this week. Ritchie Thibeau is an Amateur Scout for the Flames. There's a connection. I think Thibeau is no longer with Calrgay. Cameron could be an option but he would likely want to be coach and GM and it would only be a fallback if he doesn't get an NHL job... |
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Post by Penguins23® on Apr 23, 2018 12:06:50 GMT -4
As much as it would be cool to get a big name game, I'd rather get a guy whose focus is on the Moncton Wildcats.
We already had Shannon who had side plans and it didn't work out very well.
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